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Published: Thursday, Dec. 20 2012 12:00 a.m. MST

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Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Well, gay people can have sex without marriage. But apparently they don't just want casual sex, they want to form long-lasting, committed and legal monogamous family bonds with those they love. Newsflash: they are like heterosexuals. When we drop the labels we find that we have much in common.

Screwdriver
Casa Grande, AZ

It seems fairly contrived to come to that conclusion.

In fact Mark Regnerus has a position as a scientist but mostly combines his religious views with science. Which while popular to the religious crowds would make it hard for him to claim to be an impartial observer.

My argument is that extended families have been raising children forever. Due to natural family tragedies many children have been raised by a grandparent, two uncles, two aunts, their older siblings, total strangers etc. This has all been deemed acceptable by christian society even admirable that someone would raise someone else's child.

The only change I'm seeing is the disagreement with gay people raising children not the non-traditional parental unit.

Free Agency
Salt Lake City, UT

Regenerus doesn't address why so many young *women* support same-sex marriage. Surely they don't do it because their demographic loves pornography.

Society has told gays, "You're all about sex. There are no deeper and nobler needs and desires within you." And so, many gays defined themselves that way too.

Now, at last, many gays are realizing they're fully human too, and are claiming the things which make them fully human--including the right to marry and raise children.

I highly doubt that the young male demographic that supports same-sex marriage is motivated by pornography. And I completely doubt that that's the case with the young female demographic.

Rather, I'd say that young people in general value committed love in a world which seems to have so little of it. The fact that that commitment might be from two people of the same gender makes no difference. Love should be cherished and honored regardless of gender.

Regenerus is the last gasp of an older perspective, trying to hold onto what never made any moral sense. Young people are saying emphatically, "Let it go."

curiousgeorge
Salt Lake City, UT

Utah has one of the highest rates of online pornography consumption. If the hypothesis of this article were at all worth its salt, then Utah should be among the most gay marriage affirming states in the union.

Free Agency
Salt Lake City, UT

Thanks, CuriousGeorge, for your astute comment.

I often wonder if the reason why so many straights have demonized gays is because gays, by definition, show a less restrictive sexuality than straight society has demanded.

In other words, are straights, in trying to brush away homosexuality, trying to brush away things within themselves? Not necessarily any homosexuality within, but other sexual desires which conflict with society's demands.

Thus, we have the high rate of online pornography in "couldn't be possible" places like Utah and the overwhelming popularity of books like "50 Shades of Grey" (on sale at my local Smith's!).

Gays will no longer let themselves be demonized--and forced to deny their deeper human selves and needs (non-sexual ones)--just so straights can try to ignore their own unresolved sexual conflicts.

Gay Liberation is really liberation for everyone.

Mike in Cedar City
Cedar City, Utah

This might be true if reading the Book of Mormon makes me a racist or reading the D&C makes me a polygamist.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

"'Marriage has its characteristic structure largely because of its orientation to procreation;

"I couldn't help but note the contrast between this description of marital sexuality and how sex is portrayed in modern pornography," Regnerus continued. "Indeed, the latter redirects sex — by graphic depiction of it — away from any sense of it as a baby-making activity.'

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Interesting comments from the article.
and I could not disagree more.

1. I married my best friend. My soul mate.
Guess what...we never even HAD sex.
We were friends first and foremost, lovers took a FAR distant 4th place -- after 2nd place parenthood and 3rd place provider. So the motive of marriage just to have sex is null and void.

2. Sex and marriage are not interchangeable. There has been sex without marriage, and marriages without sex.

4. We have 4 children. over 30 years we've had sex far more than 4 times. So having sex just for "Procreation" is a lie.

5. We are now well past the years of "procreation" or "baby-making". So, is sex for us now "wrong"? Can't it just be what it is, an expression of love, as the author suggests?

cjb
Bountiful, UT

Some religions teach that to have sex without the willingness procreate with every sex act is wrong. This makes the believers uptight and feeling guilty or it deprives them of a happy normal sex life. Much is said about the harmfulness of pornography. The discussion ought to be expanded to include the harmfulness of religion and their excessive rules and restrictions regarding sexual conduct.

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