Published: Thursday, Dec. 20 2012 12:00 a.m. MST
The only people who need military-style semi-automatic weaponry, large-capacity
ammunition clips, and bullets designed to do maximum damage to human tissue are
those who intend to eventually wage-war on other Americans who do not like them
(i.e. other Americans with whom they disagree) because they cannot accept a
democratically-elected leadership and have a psychotic notion that they will
eventually have to wage war on their neighbors.These are not
sportsmen, hunters or simple gun enthusiasts. These are people blinded by their
paranoia that they are losing their way of life and will have to fight to keep
it. It's those who are calling for secession after losing a presidential
election. It's those who believe that half the population are interlopers,
illegal foreigners, and not "real Americans" because they don't
think the same way they do.If you want to have a discussion of
mental illness, you have to include the psychosis of the fringe survivalists who
cannot accept the democratic process and will fight for a dictatorship of
themselves in order to keep change from happening and their extremist thinking
relevant in today's world.
I agree. Over the past few decades, the US has developed a culture of violence.
It permeates so much of what we see and hear. It just continues to grow worse in
as entertainment purveyors try to shock us with even more horrific violence,
because we have gotten used to the previous level. Until a majority of this
country stands up and rejects this deluge of violence, I am afraid we have not
seen the last of these horrific events. I doubt the effectiveness of laws as
much as our society collectively preventing these purveyors from making a profit
from what they do.
"Among the O.E.C.D. countries that the World Bank groups as “high
income,” America has the highest gun homicide rate, the highest number of
guns per capita and the highest rate of deaths due to assault. In fact, America
has more homicides by gun than all of the other high-income O.E.C.D. countries
combined."The chart supporting this is in the new york times.
Yes, I understand that the NYT is left leaning. Feel free to challenge the data
but preferably with facts.
While I certainly share this writer's dismay over the horrific recent
events, I think it's simplistic to blame video games or other kinds of
media. In fact, a national reduction in violent crimes has coincided with huge
increases in violent games, both in terms of availability and how graphically
acts are depicted. I'd like to suggest, in fact, that such games can be
cathartic; a way of safely acting out violent fantasies.
Blaming guns for crime is as logical as blaming spoons for causing obesity or
matches causing arson. What has happened in America is the same ideology that
other countries have experienced; increased dominance of the secular
progressive, moral relevance (liberalism) politics. What I find incredibly
sadly ironic is that Barrack Obama only recently instigated a fast and furious
gun running operation to Mexico where those guns were used by drug dealers to
murder perhaps dozens of innocent people and these secular progressives, who are
running our country turn their hypocritical heads and hearts to claim they care
deeply about protecting innocent people, not from evil, sick people but from
"evil" guns! What they can't promise is that any gun control law
will be obeyed by evil people. So gun laws never work, never have, never
will.I own guns partly because there are evil people running loose who do
not obey our laws against murder, rape and robbery and they certainly will not
obey any gun control laws either. A gun in my hand is much better for my family
and me than a cop on the phone.
But Eric, there is sometimes a very fine line between acting out violent
fantasies with a game and doing it in real time.When I was in 6th
grade, my family lived in Austria. My father was with the U.S. occupation
forces there after the war. One day some of my friends and I were playing
cowboys or soldiers or something with our toy guns.An Austrian
police car stopped and the officers took us into custody. They drove us home
and explained to our parents that the Austrian people had had enough guns during
two world wars. They warned us, turned us over to our parents, and confiscated
our guns.Now I know that this post will probably bring down a rain
of condemnation from those who revere guns, but maybe we should look at the
murder rate in present day Austria.
Eric Samuelson:While I usually agree wholeheartedly with your
thoughtful comments, this time I don't. To my knowledge, there is no
scientific evidence to support the popular notion that aggression is cathartic
(and I even wrote a paper on this topic in college, while majoring in
psychology). To the contrary, studies suggest that acting out aggressively only
leads to an increased tendency to repeat or increase aggressive behavior. If
you have contrary information, please share it.
I think you're all right. What kind of society makes billions of dollars
from displaying murder and mayhem, encourages its citizens to fantasize about
it, has 350,000,000 million guns, and then has a health care system that locks
out tens of millions of its citizens from seeking preventative mental health
care?Life is brief, random, indifferent, and cruel by it's
nature..but my word, no sane society would build this reality into their
The letter writer fails to recognize these "young adults" -- Whether they are shipped over seas or not -- have all grown up now most
of their lives in a constant back drop filled with real WAR, with
REAL bullets and REAL dying.Most of them now have never known
anything else.But go ahead, blame your fanatsy world of make
believe.Deny reality all you want.I for one think these
violent video games are more Art Reflecting Reality, than your belief it
is reality reflecting art.
Remember the first book in the bible. I recall a story about Cain and Able.
Where was the video games and television telling Cain to murder his brother?
The most violent acts in history predate our internet and video games (see circa
1900-1945). So I agree that we should limit our children's exposure
to questionable media. However, I think its good to remember a lot of media is
just for fun, and it is fun. Play the blame game if you want, but ultimately
personal responsibility is what governs our actions.
Eric,I am afraid I disagree. If it were here and there, I might go
with the cathartic argument. But that is not what I see. I see young men who
play these VERY realistic first person shooter games for hours each and every
day.James Allen's oft quoted riff on Proverbs is "As a man
thinketh, so is he". I look at how I am affected form a single well done TV
show, movie or play. How it can make me think and think again about something
and change my mind. Surely this is something you know about well (and have
probably been so affected).So, I find it impossible to believe that
immersing yourself day after day into a world of violence (where you are
"killing" the other characters in the game) has no effect on the young
man. Now, what if we add to the mix a less stable mind? One that might not go
off the deep end other wise but now has this steady diet of violence
"solving" his problems (within the context of the game)?Do I
think this is the only solution? No. But we must do better on this front.
Well if we are going to blame violent media (video games, books, music). Lets
not leave the Bible or the Book of Mormon out. For those who are
well read among these books understand that these books contain violent stories
worse than any video game available in our market.Please be
consistant with all of the media.
"The letter writer fails to recognize these "young adults" -- Whether they are shipped over seas or not -- have all grown up now most
of their lives in a constant back drop filled with real WAR, with
REAL bullets and REAL dying."I disagree.Most
of the folks in our country haven't grown up knowing REAL WAR with REAL
bullets and REAL dying.Those are for folks who volunteer. Or for
poor people who can't afford college.Perhaps if we reinstated
the draft folks would actually learn about REAL violence, REAL war, REAL
bullets, and REAL dying, and shun it. Look at Austria and Germany.
Those peoples finally grew tired of death. Perhaps we need to do the
same? It would keep us out of quagmires like Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. and
perhaps it would teach us the value of life?
Whos Life RU Living?Ogden, UTWell if we are going to blame violent
media (video games, books, music). Lets not leave the Bible or the Book of
Mormon out. ============= I'm pretty sure those in
the Bible and BoM kept things like slings, swords, cimeters, spears, arrows,
ect. out of the honds of children and the mentally ill.The problem
is we have some extremeists in this country who are so freaked out about ANY
loss of "Freedom", that they throw out all common sense.The
don't want to take "personal responsibility" or be held
"accountable" for keeping them secure and out of those who can/will hurt
themselves and others.I spent 12 years in the Military.He were
all trained in using all sorts of "assault" weapons.We all passed
extensive background checks.We all were "fit for duty" - including
"mentally".Guess what?Those M-16 were all placed under
heavy duty lock-and-key -- 24/7/365.MPs at chow had a SAFE in the
dining hall during breakfast/lunch/diner.The problem is
irresponsible Joe-Q-Public citizens.Leave weapons like these only
accessible to those responsible and trained enough to have them.
One last thing -- How do "citizens" have $1500-$2000 for a
Bushmaster XM-15, but can't afford $399 for a 18 gun safe?BTW - It's called a SAFE for good reason!I stand by my
Military training comment I posted earlier.That should be the very
1st question they ask on a weapons permit.Do you have a gun safe?And the 2nd should be – Do you ALWAYS use it?The 3rd
should be – You can and will be held personally responsible for any
and all crimes or accidents for the weapons in your possession.That’s what the mindset and responsibilities he had as soldiers.You know - the guys these weapons (not guns) were designed and intended to
To "JoeBlow" just because there are lots of gun owners does not
correlate to gun deaths. Also, your NY Times statistic is wrong. It is the
number of gun per capita, not gun owners per capita, there is a difference.See "Why Swiss gun love is coming under fire" in The Local.
They have the highest gun ownership rates in Europe, yet have a low homicide
rate. However, you can't just use gun ownership as a measure for criminal
behavior because each country. If you look at gun ownership and overall
homicide rates for a country, there is absolutely no correlation that more guns
makes a country less safe.If you want to make the US safer, change
the culture. If you can figure out how to unite communities into cohesive
groups, you can get the change you desire. Until then you are just disarming
the law abiding citizens.To "Open Minded Mormon" tell me
what the difference is between the Bushmaster XM-15 and a Ruger Mini-14 Ranch.
Why should one be banned and the other remain legal? Just because you were
trained doesn't make you an expert.
Open Minded, your comment is absolutely GREAT!
What's the difference between Cartel Gadiantons&WallStreet
Gadiantons?The only difference I can tell is one is somehow
considered "legal" the other is "illegal".Yet
-- They both revolve around and worship the very same things;$Money$,Guns $,Power $,and Drugs$.------------------ To "RedShirt"USS Enterprise,
UTTo "Open Minded Mormon" tell me what the difference is
between the Bushmaster XM-15 and a Ruger Mini-14 Ranch. Tell me,
What does it matter? Tell me, do you own and use a gun safe?
People on this forum who I really do respect have questioned my previous post
about possible links between violent video games and subsequent violent
behavior. I would simply point out that Canadian kids play violent video games,
including first person shooter games, at a greater rate than American teens do,
and yet behave much less violently. Dutch youth play violent video games for
twice the amount of time daily as American youths do, and yet their rate of
violence is much less than in America. The data simply do not support the
contention that violent first person shooter games have any causative effect on
subsequent behavior.Adam Lanza did, however, play first person shooter
games. A lot. Did those games prompt his horrific violence? How could we
possibly know? We have a violence problem in this country, and we need to
solve it. Let's not jump to facile conclusions, however.
To "LDS Liberal" so then you agree that there is nothing different
between the Bushmaster XM-15 and a Ruger Mini-14 Ranch. So why should we ban
the Bushmaster based on looks?Why does it matter to you if I own a
gun safe? My kids know that guns are not toys, so I don't have to worry
about it. Plus none of my kids have any psychological problems, so again, no
reason to worry there.Why do you support those Gadiantons who are
trying to take away our freedoms based on lies and innuendo. Take a look at the
USA Today artlcle "Cracking Down on Law-Abiding Gun Owners Won't
Prevent Crimes" if that isn't enough for you, read "Disarming the
Myths Promoted By the Gun Control Lobby" in Forbes.Why do you
and your ilk want to take guns away from the law abiding people? Why is it that
your ilk are so afraid of law abiding citizens purchasing guns legally?
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