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Published: Wednesday, Dec. 19 2012 10:54 a.m. MST

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patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

I have to side with NRA on this one. The AR 15 is a semi-auto rifle that has been around a long time that can and is used for both self protection and hunting. The .223 round is perfect for deer and it is semi-auto not fully automatic. Banning this gun is nothing more than a knee jerk ...we gotta do something ... response to the Connecticut shooting and will do nothing to stop gun violence but will take away from a persons right to defend his home and family as well as remove a great hunting rifle. The problem with the political left they want to ban all guns period. You give an inch and then what's next? A killing with a regular handgun and now they want to ban handguns. A killing with a bolt action deer rifle and now they want to ban hunting rifles and on down the line with shotguns etc... until they reach their goal of a gun-less society. The real problem is NOT being addressed here and that is violence in movies - video games - RAP songs etc... and getting help for the mentally ill.

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

I hope the NRA uses their influence to stop any gun ban from Obama. Gun bans do nothing except hurt the responsible citizen who wants to protect him and his family against crazy people bent on doing harm. Expect Obama to jump back out on the campaign trail and label all those who aren't for gun bans heartless child haters. Watch and see. If the man is anything he is easy to predict.

one old man
Ogden, UT

More "gun ban" nonsense from nonsensical posters.

There is a huge difference between a "gun ban" and sensible restrictions. But a degree of intelligence is required to understand that.

bcandersen
Pleasant Grove, UT

A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. >From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
I for one, do not want to see a repeat.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

old man,
Those with whom you disagree are nonsensical? yes, again the typical "tolerance" of the left is fully manifest in your derogatory comment.

Additional gun control will do NOTHING to prevent future occurrences.

Gun laws hurt rational, law-abiding citizens; they do not stop criminals or the insane.

Additional gun laws in reaction to the CN tragedy is like taking Rogaine for a broken leg - you can say you received some sort of treatment - but it was entirely the wrong kind.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

Stupid, stupid, stupid.......

This is just a knee jerk reaction to this event, and doesn't come close to getting to the root cause of what happened.

Yes, we need to insist people secure their weapons. This is the second instance of someone other than the owner using guns to inflict great damage... so the NRA shouldn't have any resistance to sensible demands that gun owners secure their weapons.

But this was NOT a gun incident. This was a mental health failure. Plain and simple. We need a plan in 30 days that addresses this issue. We have far too many mentally ill homeless. We have far too many soldiers coming home with trauma from the recent two wars. Fix the mental health issues, and most of these "gun" issues go away.

the truth
Holladay, UT

The top of list should be

1. Gun education in schools, that teaches respect for guns,

2. Teaching or morals and values.

Anything else will just deprive law-abiding citizens of rights, freedoms and liberties and maybe their lives.

Murderers and crazy people do NOT care about laws or bans.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

If Obama wants gun control he should start with Eric Holder and fast and furious!

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

Mountainman.... and if we follow that train of though, we should do the same with drug dealers.... lets just nab the little guys and not worry about where the drugs lead.... and we should just grab the guy who stole the car, and not worry about chop shop people. This "Fast and Furious" is a common police technique used for decades.... it isn't anything new. We have let spies go to see if they lead us to hired them.... get over it... and stay on topic.

And don't forget... and you'll love this, fast and furious, was authorized by the Bushed administration, and carried out under the Obama administration. These two incidents have nothing to do with each other what so ever. These were legally purchased guns that were not secured by their owner and kept out of the hands of someone who was not mentally right....

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

UtahBlueDevil. Not according to ABC news. There was some gun walking during the Bush administration but the fast and furious scandal operation exclusively belongs to Barrack Obama, he owns it. But don't worry, he is going to get away with it even though perhaps dozens of innocent people were murdered.

Salsero
Provo, UT

OK. Let's talk specifics and consider only one issue: Background checks.

Should there be background checks on everyone wanting to purchase a firearm? Should the gun show exclusion be recinded? Should anyone wishing to purchase a firearm be required to undergo a background check regardless of how they purchase the item?

Now, we can see those on the extreme fringe of the gun controversy objecting to this because they will argue that background checks will alert "the government" as to who has a gun. Their paranoia will manifest itself with the psychotic fear that "the government" will come and take away their weapons when they need their guns to fight "the government" when the black helicopters come. They don't want anyone to know what type or numbers of weapons they have when they need to take up arms and fight "the government (i.e. other Americans) in their fantasy.

The deaths of the children of Sandy Hook Elementary is the price they are willing to pay as they prepare for the armageddon they believe in their heart will soon be upon us. This is mental illness at it's most extreme.

?
SLC, UT

How about setting a deadline on proposals to help those with mental illness instead. Taking away guns and the right for one to defend themselves, their family, and their property isn't going to solve very much.

RandomTraveler
Livermore, CA

Consider the following two articles:
Hint: Use a Google search for them

Active shooters in schools: The enemy is denial
Preventing juvenile mass murder in American schools is the job of police officers, school teachers, and concerned parents

Active shooters in schools: Should teachers be trained by police firearms instructors?
Should at least one teacher on every floor of every school in America be armed, trained, qualified, and ready/willing to end a deadly threat in their school?

We need to have our schools just as prepared for violence and intruders as we have them prepared for fires by setting up drills and having armed security on the premises.

Write to your Senators and Congressional Representatives now!!

I have already done so. There is no need for more "feel good" legislation!!

Chris B, Jr.
Saint George, UT

Its funny how some gun owners think that they are going to be rounded up and killed in some mass genocide, and that having an automatic weapon will thwart these exterminators plan.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

Any 'fix' to the fact that every few years a school gets attacked won't work, unless we go to the root of the problem, and that is too many children aren't being raised properly. Children should be raised by parents, not day care facilities. Mothers who have children in their formative years shouldn't be expected or encouraged to work. And if rights are going to be taken away in an attempt to fix this problem, it makes more sense to prohibit mothers from working than to take away guns, this because guns are not the problem, improperly raised children are.

ute alumni
paradise, UT

this is rich. anti-gun joey will head up this group? why would anyone think anything will happen?

Mortoon
Idaho Falls, ID

I hate to see the deaths of these beautiful children politicized by this president. Some one please share a rational gun control measure that would stop these disasters. The truth is that, short of confiscating all guns, there are no laws that will keep people like this from taking innocent lives.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "There is a huge difference between a "gun ban" and sensible restrictions."

Sure there is. But no liberal or Democrat is talking about sensible restrictions.

What they want is to ban "assault weapons," [which they define to include any gun that's fun or useful], "high" capacity [meaning anything more than single shot] magazines, sales at gun shows [an "embarrassment" they've tried to eliminate for years], and more "comprehensive" background checks [meaning complex, liberal-controlled star-chamber proceedings, in which you're guilty 'til proven innocent, to some impossibly high standard].

And then, they claim not to understand how we could possibly object to any of these "sensible" restrictions.

Liberals' real problem? Real people know what's in their hearts, and we don't trust them.

Aggielove
Cache county, USA

City folk don't understand what guns are.
But, they understand wine and coffee.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"short of confiscating all guns, there are no laws that will keep people like this from taking innocent lives."

So, the extension of this is not even try.

Utah is great at limiting and regulating alcohol. Does it stop all DUI and alcohol related crime? Of course not. So, should we just do nothing?

There are a lot of areas that one can apply this logic. And it is faulty logic most of the time.

There is usually a balance between freedom and the rights of others. Lets look for that.

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