Published: Wednesday, Dec. 19 2012 12:00 a.m. MST
Total tax rates (federal, state, and local) are lower in the U.S. than in almost
all other developed countries.
@ Roland Kayser. Then move to where taxes are higher and you win and will be
The writer complains about having too much government and the costs of
maintaining that government, then in the same breath hopes that Hill AFB will
not be shut down. The last I checked, Hill was a federal government enterprise
maintained by federal tax dollars. Or has it been fully privatized lately?
(I'd have thought that would have made the news.) You can't have it
both ways. You can't argue for reduced government scope and spending while
preserving your pet government program. Either everything is fair game for
budget cutting or nothing is.
Sorry, Mountainman, but this is just as much our country as it yours. Guess
we'll have to learn to live together.
I enjoy roads, power, water, sanitation, schools, police and fire protection,
ect., ect.This is America -- You are Free to move
somewhere else, orYou are free to move to your mount retreat cabin
in Montana,live off the land, and not pay a dime in taxes.Conservatives continully think and associate living "Free" as being
some weird montetary issue.They really have know idea what Freedom is.
Let's face it, we all like big government. Yes, we wish it could be more
efficient, but when asked what we are willing to give up, we offer peanuts. Our
problem is that we're just cheapskates. We want all that government offers,
but we don't want to pay for it. We want our grandkids to pay for it.All you have to do is look at tax revenue as a percentage of GDP to see
that we are far less willing than other developed nations to pay for what we
want. Here are the stats:Austria 42.8%Belgium 43.2%Canada 31.1
%Denmark 48.2%Finland 43.1%France 41.9%Germany 37.0%Hungary 39.1%Iceland 41.4%Italy 43.5%Japan 28.1%South
Korea 25.6%New Zealand 31.0%Norway 41.0%Poland 34.3%Portugal 35.2%Spain 30.7%Sweden 46.4%Switzerland 30.2%United Kingdom 34.3%United States 24.0%Only South Korea is
in our league. And the GOP is trying to tell us we're taxed too much.
Sorry, the argument doesn't hold water.
Kent, Kent, Kent. You forgot to add all the OTHER taxes Americans like me pay!
Federal income taxes, federal and state capitol gains taxes, federal and state
excise taxes, federal and state fuel taxes, state income taxes, sales taxes,
property taxes, death taxes, license taxes and lets not forget inheritance
taxes! All in all, I pay nearly 50% of my income paying only some of these
taxes! Taxes is my largest item on my families budget and I see that I must now
pay MORE taxes next year? When is it going to stop?So much for the GOP
telling us were are taxed to much because WE ARE! If YOU want to pay more taxes,
please feel free to send it in! For the rest of us, we are tying to survive!
Suggestion; since the IRS has bankrupted more Americans that healthcare bills,
let's have a government program to bailout taxpayers! That will help far
more Americans than Obamacare (another tax) ever will!
The phrase "too much government" is a strange one, isn't it?
Government isn't a commodity that you can have too much of. It's the
way the people get things done they want done. We want our children to be
educated, so we pay for schools. We want ill-intentioned people to not steal
our stuff, so we pay for cops and a justice system. We want poor people to not
starve to death, so we pay for food stamps or housing subsidies. Where we run
into problems is when we have things we want government to do, but we don't
want to pay for it. That's precisely where we are now.
MountanmanHayden, ID========= You doing SOMETHING
wrong mountaman.Try either using TurboTax, or hire a Tax
Accountant.Mitt Romney makes WAY more than you do and yet only pays
14%.FYI - My families biggest single expense is Medical
Insurance.and it magically keeps right on inflating at 15-20% per year no
matter what the economy is doing.I'm soooo looking forward to
Obamacare kicking in!
Mountanman,I'm not wealthy, but I am comfortably above the mean
income in the U.S. Just for kicks, I added up my federal and state income taxes,
Social Security and Medicare taxes. The total came to 18 percent of my AGI. And
I don't have a mortgage, so no interest deduction. My kids are all over 17,
so no child tax credit. In fact, I don't take advantage of any significant
tax credits or deductions, other than the customary charitable donation
deduction. So my rate is higher than most people's in my income bracket.
Yes, I pay sales tax, which might add 2 percent, and my property tax is 1.9
percent. The excise taxes and license fees I pay are negligible. So my total tax
burden amounts to about 22 percent of my adjusted gross income. If
you're paying 50 percent, then you're undoubtedly among the 2 percent
of the population that President Obama is trying to hit with his minuscule tax
rate increase. I can see why you're upset.
My property taxes alone are more than 11% of my income. Sales taxes here are
5.5% of almost everything I buy except fuel which has it's own federal and
state taxes of about $.55/gal. Then there is my federal and state income taxes,
which is about 18% for federal and about 10% for state not counting capitol
gains on my business. So, yes, I actually nearly 50% of my income goes for
taxes! And now, I am told I must pay more?What irritates me more than
anything is my taxes keep increasing. I could sell my house and my business to
avoid such high taxes but I worked all my life to establish both and it is not
fair that I am punished for working hard and playing by the rules. Its very
Mountanman:I agree with airnaut. You aren't doing something
right. I'm in a two income home with some rental income, solidly middle
class, the usual deductions. We paid an effective rate of about 13% federal
income tax (less than Mitt!). Throw in about 5% Utah state income tax and 6%
sales tax, and about $4000 in property taxes on two houses (about 5% of income)
and we're still well under 30% total taxes. You should find a better
We do have too much government. Read the article "‘Welfare
Nation’: The Sad Truth" at The Blaze. When you have 1.25 private
sector workers for every person that either gets welfare assistance or works for
government, we are getting into a scary situation.How can we have a
nation running where you have so many people dependant on those working in the
private sector to support them?To "Lagomorph" what about
your SS taxes, Medicare, Medicaid, and your other payroll deductions. Just
including your SS taxes would take you over 30% to what you state, then adding
in the Medicare and Medicaid taxes will take you close to 40%.
RedShirtUSS Enterprise, UT"Just including your SS taxes
would take you over 30% to what you state, then adding in the Medicare and
Medicaid taxes will take you close to 40%.12:41 p.m. Dec. 19,
2012============ Impossible Mr. RedShirt.Social Security is a set rate of 4.6% and is CAPPED at $110,100So
it is infinity impossilbe to hit a 30% factoring in 4.6% SS tax, and that
percetnage only goes DOWN the more you make.BTW - Mitt Romney
paid the same amount on his $25 Million as I did on my $115,000.The
difference is he made 217 TIMES mores than I did.How is that
possibly fair and equalitable?
Redshirt - If you want to learn the truth stop reading The Blaze. Like
everything Glen Beck does, The Blaze is all about putting money in his pocket.
He will say any outrageous thing he can to provoke his listeners and exploit
their loyalty just so he and his media empire can enjoy more profit. If you
think the "liberal press" is in it for the money, just check the balance
sheet of almost every major newspaper in America. Telling the truth often
doesn't equate to financial success. Ah, but it usually equates to a good
Lagomorph and AirnautMountainMan could lower some of his taxes.
Depends how he has his business classified. Then if he goes and do the things
that will lower his taxes you will call him a tax cheat so their is no way he
can win. Guess what, he could make a lot more money than you two to make that
much in state income taxes. I don't know why you two are
arguing with him. Taxes are so fact dependent that you can't tell what he
is paying is right or not. Besides his business is probably categorized
different than yours (passive or not passive) that some deductions you get with
your passive income (rental income) won't work with his. Learn the tax code
before you comment on taxes.
Mountanman,Sorry about your tax situation. If what you write is
correct, either you own way too much property for your income, or your income is
way too low for the amount of property you own. Same thing, of course. But if
you're counting property tax that you pay for your business, that is a
business expense and would reduce your income tax. I agree with Lagomorph. Get a
new accountant.Also, thanks for mentioning the gasoline tax. I
forgot that one. But for me that adds up to less than $300 per year, so again,
negligible. My total taxes are 23 percent of AGI, at most. And I would have to
more than quadruple my salary to be affected at all by Obama's proposed tax
Re: "Let's face it, we all like big government."No, we
don't.Only liberals want big government. But, unfortunately,
too many rubes out there go along with them, since they don't care one way
or the other, and are easily manipulated by disingenuous liberal promises of
"free" stuff.One good thing about the Obama regime -- it
will soon force the rubes to the undeniable truth -- there's no such thing
as "free" stuff, and there's no sugar daddy out there to tax for it
To "ECR" you may not like The Blaze, but the information that was
gathered for that article is public information, and is true. Just because you
don't like the source of the truth does not change the fact that for every
1.25 privatly employed person there is 1 person on government assistance or
working for the government.The wicked take the truth to be hard was
quite a prophetic statement in light of today's liberals that can't
refute truth when presented.To "airnaut" do the math.
Lagomorph claims that with the things he listed he pays 29% of his income in
taxes. Now, add Medicare 2.9% tax, and SS of 4.9%. That puts Lagomorph at
36.8% (since we don't know his income we have to assume 4.9%). Now, if you
include taxes paid on utilities like phone, gas, electricity, and local
government fees, that can add in more. The total amount paid in taxes, even by
Lagomorph is approaching 40%.
@ Kent. You suggested that I have too much house for my income. It may interest
you to know that my property taxes have gone up every year I have lived
here(over 20 years) because of levies that people here pass to increase property
taxes, many of whom are not property owners themselves. So, what we have here
are people finding yet another way to force others to pay for their schools,
police, fire, library and local college without they themselves paying for any
of it. Another round of entitlements? In regards to fuel taxes, I fill my
vehicle usually 3 times each week and it takes about 20 gals each time. The fuel
taxes, both federal and state are about $.55/ gal. 60 gals times 52 times a year
times $.55/gal=$1716.00 That is more than my family budget for clothing each
year. Not insignificant to me!Yes, I am TAXED TOO MUCH!
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