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Published: Wednesday, Dec. 19 2012 12:00 a.m. MST

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Screwdriver
Casa Grande, AZ

The American gun culture in the last few years has been to buy more guns and ammo because they are preparing to fight the government.

These are the supposed mentally stable of the gun aficionados so when you throw in a little mental instability what did you expect to get?

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ Screwdriver. I need guns because there are people in America who do not obey our laws against murder, rape, robbery nor they obey any future laws banning guns. A gun in my hand is better than a cop on the phone for me and my family! The government can not, will not protect you either! I hope this helps you! Blaming guns for crimes is about as logical and blaming spoons for obesity.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Dr. Oman,

One point of correction. Fully automatic weapons are not easily purchased and were not part of the recent tragedy.

Fully automatic means pull the trigger and the weapon keeps firing until there is no more ammunition. Semi-automatic means pull the trigger and the weapon fires once and reloads itself.

jackburton
gary, IN

Google "Assault Weapons: Evil Black Rifles (or perhaps not)" to find out virtually everything the prof thinks he knows about guns is wrong. And yet HE thinks he is qualified to tell others how to run their lives. This is the type of "common sense" that those with no sense seem to want to influence the debate.

common twit
Vernal, UT

First of all, let me explain my political views. I classify myself as an independent. I have more liberal views than conservative views. However, I am a staunch defender of the second amendment. Just yesterday I read a headline in one of the liberal outlets. It read, Obama faces obstacle to gun control. The article did not mention it but the main obstacle is the constitution. I am getting a little tired of politicians ignoring the constitution.
The fact is that we already have laws prohibiting criminals from buying guns legally. Gun shows have to follow those same laws. Private citizens do not have to follow those laws. And I, for one, do not need the government intruding more on private citizens.
I shed tears for the children in Conn. It was an awful thing. Guns were the least of the issues involved in this. Divorce, mental illness violent video games all played a more significant role.

Flashback
Kearns, UT

The only arguement I have with this op-ed is that you can't buy a fully automatic rifle at a gun show unless you have the proper Federal Class III gun license. Or anywhere else for that matter.

Lledrav
West Jordan, UT

I was sickened and infuriated again last night as I watched an interview with a teacher at the Sandy Hook school. She said she huddled with her class and just listened to the spaced and steady "pops" continue for 20 minutes or more. There is no way it took 20 minutes to get a cop to the school! When did the first responders arrive? No one wants to criticize the police response but what were they doing? Crouched outside the doors till the shooting stopped like they did at Columbine? “Instead of going into the school and searching for Harris and Klebold, they set up a perimeter and waited "for the assault to end." William Erickson, chairman of the Columbine Review Commission. If only there had been an armed teacher at Sandy Hook I think at least some lives would have been saved. In Israel every teacher is armed. They would not have sat and listened to children being murdered for 20 minutes.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

I wonder what Nancy Lanza would be saying today about her hobby (and introducing Adam to it) if she had not been the first victim.

Utah ranks #8 nationally for most suicides and #21 (highest-lowest) for number of deaths per 100,000 by firearms.

Researchers at the Harvard School of Public Health found that suicide rates among children, women and men of all ages are higher in states where more households have guns. They controlled for measures of poverty, urbanization, unemployment, drug and alcohol dependence and abuse, and mental illness. The study appeared in the April 2007 issue of The Journal of Trauma. Among persons less than 30 years old, suicide is one of the top three causes of death.

More than 90% of all suicidal acts by firearm are fatal. By comparison, individuals who use drugs to attempt suicide, which constitute 75% of all attempts, die in the attempt less than 3% of the time.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

re:Commontwit
Conservative Justice Scalia wrote the majority opinion in Heller v DC:
"The Second Amendment right is not unlimited. We do not cast doubt on concealed-weapons prohibitions...Also, the sorts of weapons protected are the sorts of small arms that were lawfully possessed at home at the time of the Second Amendment’s ratification, not those most useful in military service today, so “M-16 rifles and the like” may be banned."

The Gun Control Act of 1968 requires anyone engaged in the business of selling guns to have a Federal Firearms License (FFL) and keep a record of their sales. However, this law does not cover all gun sellers. If a supplier is selling from his or her private collection and the principal objective is not to make a profit, the seller is not "engaged in the business" and is not required to have a license. Because they are unlicensed, these sellers are not required to keep records of sales and are not required to perform background checks on potential buyers. Prohibited purchasers can avoid required background checks by seeking out these unlicensed sellers at gun shows.

TEEBONE
MIAMI, FL

The author paints American gun owners as "frightening and dangerous". At first, he avers that this is a perception by non-gun owners. But afterward, he states it as given.

As to the NRA, it is not a radical organization, unless one believes that the adamant protection of a fundamental right that many wish to eviscerate is "radical".

The plain fact is that keeping and bearing arms is a constituttionally-protected natural right.

Heller held that the people have an individual fundamental right to keep and bear arms for lawful purposes not dependent upon militia service, that holding has been incorporated to the states, and Justice Scalia (in the Heller holding) clarified what the U.S. v. Miller (1939) decision actually said (small arms "in common use" that "bear[s] some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia" enjoy constitutional protection).

So let's just stop all the nonsense. The current media hype and statist pronouncments of the administration do not alter the truth.

Moderate
Salt Lake City, UT

Quite discouraging that gun owners' response to the shooting of children is "Nothing we can do about it. That's the way life is. Accept it."

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

ban all guns and all alcohol!! No more gun related deaths and no more alcohol related deaths. Right?? Just ask Bob Costus. Yes prohibition worked really well after all we wouldn't have moon - shiners today were it not for prohibition! For heaven sake look at Chicago for a wonderful success story of gun banning. Violent gun crime has all but disappeared in Chicago now...right? And those silly folks in Switzerland who thought they could reduce violent crime just by arming and training their citizens. How dumb is that. Liberals are so smart.

As a side note the day after the Connecticut shooting I signed up for NRA membership and bought a .40cal semi-auto. My wife and I are now set to take concealed weapon training. I sure hope I can restrain myself from shooting up a Wallmart after I get my gun and permit after all it's the gun that kills not the person. Right?

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Let's make it more difficult for the bad guys to get guns."

If that's what we were talking about, most gun nuts would be right there beside you.

Unfortunately, that's not liberals' real aim.

The writer admits as much when he says, "I am not talking . . . about laws banning . . . handguns. I am talking about . . . mak[ing] it harder for the bad guys to buy large-magazine, semi-automatic assault weapons at gun shows."

He then goes on to note, however, "I honestly don't know if such laws would have prevented the killings in Connecticut."

They certainly would NOT. The size or shape of the gun reduces the evil not a whit.

But, it WOULD bring us closer to the ultimate liberal goal of banning guns.

We can NEVER trust liberals to say what they actually mean. This is just the latest in a series of disingenuous liberal nostrums intended to lull those they consider ignorant hayseeds into accepting an innocent-sounding, absolutely worthless, incremental step toward their ultimate goal.

Now's the time to stop them.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

patriot said:
As a side note the day after the Connecticut shooting I signed up for NRA membership and bought a .40cal semi-auto.
Can you say knee jerk reaction? of course not.


"I sure hope I can restrain myself from shooting up a Wallmart after I get my gun and permit after all it's the gun that kills not the person. Right? "

No it's the person who sells the gun remember what you've been saying for months about the fast and the furious, and how Obama Killed a Border patrol Agent, probably not as your completely inconsistant.
Fear and Paranoid people rushing out to buy yet more guns. Really pretty sad as moderate pointed out.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Quite discouraging that gun owners' response to the shooting of children is 'Nothing we can do about it. That's the way life is. Accept it.'"

No gun owner I know suggests that.

On the other hand, ALL liberal "response" to this tragedy indeed, DOES amount to a suggestion we accept insufferable violence as the new normal.

Literally NOTHING they are suggesting will make our kids the slightest bit safer.

The only measures that have a chance of actually increasing safety involve training willing teachers and staff and permitting them to carry the tools -- guns -- necessary to actually respond to crazies and criminals. And, these measures, in addition to providing a meaningful response, would also present a powerful deterrent to the cowards considering monstrous evil.

EVERY measure being suggested by liberals will have only one effect -- increasing the size of the defenseless victim pool currently being provided, by law, to the criminals/crazies.

Discouraging, indeed.

22ozn44ozglass
Southern Utah, UT

When are we as a society, our politicians and our policy makers going to have the courage and integrity to address the real questions at hand instead of just treating symptoms.

1. Why do we have so many who do not honor and uphold the rule of law ie it is only wrong if you get caught?

2. Why do so many have so little regard for human life?

3. Why are so many of our children and young adults without a properly developed conscience and empathy for their fellow men?

4. Why do so many have a sense of entitlement and a lack of respect for being as self reliant as possible?

5. Why do so many people have children and put less thought or preparation into bringing a child into the world than they would getting a new pet?

6. Why do children and young adults value and seek notoriety and 15 minutes of fame (even if is evil) above being respected and respecting others?

It is time to treat the disease not the symptoms.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Good guys and bad guys aside, no gun control as a policy is insane.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ Hutterite, We have all seen Obama's gun control policy, its called fast and furious and it is very defiantly insane, including his executive order cover-up.

Mike in Cedar City
Cedar City, Utah

Some of you talk like the 2nd amendment was written by God himself. It wasn't, and it has clearly been made obsolete by time and technology. Even the term "militia" is outdated. The 2nd amendment needs to repealed and replaced with language to protect legitimate uses of guns by law abiding sane citizens while giving Congress the power to reasonably prevent weapons designed for military and police use from being sold and used by the general public. Those that oppose this badly needed public reform will have innocent blood on their hands.

Screwdriver
Casa Grande, AZ

A gun is the manifestation of the designer's and manufacturer's intent for it's use. So I can say a gun does kill and still be referring to it's designed purpose and it's creators.

After all, if a loaded guns fall off a table and kills the owner who killed him? The gun of course. In a court someone may sue the manufacturer for a faulty trigger design in such a case.

Buy all the guns you want. If your gun is used in a crime because you didn't secure it you better hope I'm not on the jury.

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