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  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Dec. 21, 2012 7:59 a.m.

    To "one old man" just because you and your ilk refuse to accept the truth does not mean that you have not been proven wrong.

    If Obama's spending is all the fault of the previous administration, explain why it is that all of Bush's spending was his fault. You are being a hypocrite. How do you know that Bush's spending wasn't a result of the recession that Clinton left him? How far back do you want to go blaming others for your guy's mistakes?

    The truth of the matter is simple. If Obama wanted to cut spending he could. He said that the Bush spending levels were unpatriotic, yet he has out spent Bush every year.

    If you say that Obama's spending is good, then Bush's spending must have also been good because they spent money on the same things.

  • The Skeptical Chymist SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 20, 2012 10:04 p.m.

    During the recession, many state government workers have been laid off or their agencies reduced in size through attrition. Before any governmental leaders get pay raises, we should hire back the teachers who lost jobs, along with all the other government workers who lost jobs. Inflation has been negligible for years, and the cost of living in Utah is no where near what it is in many other states.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Dec. 20, 2012 5:55 p.m.

    It would be nice if some posters would take time to do some research, (but I know they won't) they would learn that Democratic Congresses and Presidents have actually spent less than Republicans for a long, long time. It goes back as far as Nixon.

    Let's see, how many times did Reagan increase the debt limit and what was the total cost of all his new spending measures?

    Ditto for Bush I and II.

    In fact, MOST of the spending that is now being blamed on Obama is a result of previous Republican Presidents and Congresses.

    They need to read "Who Stole the American Dream" to learn how the GOP has contributed to the origins of today's fiscal problems.

    But they won't.

    Because they delude thenselves into thinking that they already know. But one person's version of the truth isn't necessarily TRUTH.

    Opinions do not PROVE anything. Except maybe that they listen to too much hate radio.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Dec. 20, 2012 5:18 p.m.

    Red, there has never been a time -- never -- when you have managed to PROVE anyone wrong with any of your posts.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Dec. 20, 2012 2:48 p.m.

    To "LDS Liberal" what are you talking about? Please tell me when I ever said that the Governor or any other politician should get a 36% pay raise.

    Be honest. You don't like me becaue I constantly prove you wrong, and that irritates you more than sand in your pants.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Dec. 20, 2012 2:12 p.m.

    Why are you defending the Governor's pay raise of 36% RedShirt?

    Your motto of "cut of ALL Government spending" lacks integrity.
    and is disingenous to all your core beliefs.

    Be honest with youself,
    before projecting and expecting it of others.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Dec. 20, 2012 12:50 p.m.

    To "There You Go Again" you forgot that Democrats seeking re-election also have no problems with more spending.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    Dec. 20, 2012 12:33 p.m.

    We have a spending problem.

    Unless, of course, you are a Republican waiting for a handout from taxpayers.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Dec. 20, 2012 12:06 p.m.

    To "Open Minded Mormon" education is funded more than adequately. If you bothered to do some research, over the past 30 years funding for education has doubled (accounting for inflation), yet testing shows no improvement.

    You also forget that less than 60% of the funding actually makes it to the classroom.

    How about we get more of the funding to the classroom before we start to increase funding

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Dec. 20, 2012 10:45 a.m.

    Leaders should lead by example --

    Not do as I say, not as i do.

    BTW - Utah's #1 problem right now is underfunded EDUCATION,
    not undunded Governor's salaries.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    Dec. 20, 2012 10:44 a.m.

    Does anyone remember the Republican hysteria over entitlements?

    Are these politicians feeling as if they are somehow entitled?

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Dec. 19, 2012 8:42 p.m.

    Now why in the world didn't the commission include all state workers in their study?

  • Dektol Powell, OH
    Dec. 19, 2012 8:01 p.m.

    NO elected official should ever get a pay raise they vote on. They knew the pay when they ran for office. The only elected officials who should get pay raises are new officeholders - from a pay raise voted on by the old hands.
    NO elected official should get retirement pay for their elected office. If they want retirement pay - get a real job.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Dec. 19, 2012 5:53 p.m.

    No pay raise. To do so is bad timing if nothing else. The economy is still struggling in my opinion.

    Legislators tend to treat themselves very well.

    Several years ago they spent $30 Million to give themselves a new parking garage. Now they want a pay raise.

    Yet state employees and education remain poorly funded.

    How about if legislator & governor pay increases are tied to them finding a way to fund education so we aren't at or near the bottom of the barrel any longer.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    Dec. 19, 2012 5:14 p.m.

    Give ordinary state workers a raise first and then we'll talk about giving you these ridiculous raises. Amazing how a bunch of people who absolutely hate the government with all their hearts are the first in line to demand more from said evil government. Pack of moochers one and all.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Dec. 19, 2012 5:04 p.m.

    See how they are creating a false argument? It's no longer if the get a pay raise but how quickly.

    Did the voters vote them a pay raise?

  • stanfunky Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 19, 2012 4:58 p.m.

    Let Herbert resign and work private sector, if he thinks $110,000 plus housing, etc. is too low. He's a realtor, he could easily get a job on some board of directors or something like that.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Dec. 19, 2012 4:08 p.m.

    Let that free market decide. Laughing. Politicians are quitting because the pay is too low?

    Sense of entitlement anyone? Half price.

  • aghast SYRACUSE, UT
    Dec. 19, 2012 3:47 p.m.

    State of Utah employees are dead last, yes, 50 of 50 of employees with comparable pay in other states and have received one pay raise in the last 5 years. What a crock! No pay raises until you take care of your own.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 19, 2012 1:56 p.m.

    I appreciate our Governor, but ... He gets a free house and already makes quite a bit of money. In this country we have the mistaken notion that those at the top merit or deserve . . .WAY . . . more than the average person. This simply isn't so. To justify this, committees who decide such things point to other similar organizations. Well did it occur to these committees that other similar organizations might be wrong?

    In private industry, CEO's take (notice I didn't say make) 500 times what their average workers make. This is wrong.

    Look to the federal government as a righteous model. The president of the United States makes only $400,000 a year in salary. Generals of the United States military make typically $160,000 in salary. This is a better model than looking at private industry which has gotten out of control, or even looking at other states which probably do take some of their guidance from private industry.

  • dalefarr South Jordan, Utah
    Dec. 19, 2012 11:22 a.m.

    They can easily do anything they like with no fear of reprisal. One party government perpetually elected by Utahns has not checks and no balance. The pay raise recommendation is due to the compensation committee comprised of powerful lobbysts. We get the kind of government the lobbysts pay for.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Dec. 19, 2012 10:50 a.m.

    They choose to run for office. Why do they need a pay raise? They can quit any time they want. No pay raise for anyone. It's not like the Gov is John Inglish.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Dec. 19, 2012 9:27 a.m.

    Come again. What on earth does the headline on the opinion page mean?

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Dec. 19, 2012 6:53 a.m.

    This seems like a well reasoned editorial. Utah's governor doesn't need to be among the top 10 paid in the US.

    This increase is also difficult to swallow given the low salaries of other state employees.

  • Emajor Ogden, UT
    Dec. 19, 2012 2:45 a.m.

    Considering that all state employees are similarly poorly paid compared to contemporaries in other states, I would much rather see them get the pay raise than our 6-figure earning top elected officials. Herbert gets free housing (a mansion) and a car during his term, perks other state employees who aren't already independently wealthy from their real estate businesses couldn't even dream of.

    Ever see what kind of pitiful salary a social worker who works with neglected/abused children makes in this state? Look it up and then decide for yourself if Governor Herbert needs to be shoveled $150K per year.