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Published: Monday, Dec. 17 2012 12:00 a.m. MST

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Hutterite
American Fork, UT

It will be great if these two gentlemen can come to an agreement that lets us move forward, avoiding the escarpment. Here's hoping they can, and that it forms the basis of cooperation moving forward. Best christmas present ever.

toosmartforyou
Farmington, UT

More smoke and mirrors. Until we have a 'done deal" no one knows what we will have.

Anyone remember a little program called "Obamacare" and how many pages there were that no one had even read before it was voted in?

TA1
Alexandria, VA

Perhaps the Republican has remembered what "We The People" really means.

coleman51
Orem, UT

I don't know how Boehner will sell this to his Republican colleagues. He is giving the Democrats about everything they want without anything of much consequence in exchange. These are job-killing proposals and I would imagine few Republicans will buy this. What the President wants is the ability to raise the debt limit without Congressional approval for two years. If Boehner gives him that, he will bargain away the only chip the Republicans have to restrain the Democrats. In all of these talks, there is still no recognition of the spending problem in Washington. Boehner seems content to come up with an agreement regardless of the fiscal consequences or his party's base. I think he should walk away from these talks and let the Democrats own the mess they are creating.

Albert Maslar CPA (Retired)
Absecon, NJ

Can House Speaker John Boehner be trusted to strike a correct fiscal cliff accord with his private negotiations with President Obama? Boehner wasted two years of control of excessive spending and national debt limit increases. Speaker Boehner is a hypocritical paper tiger Republican In Name Only RINO! Boehner talks a good game prior to his usual last-minute caving to Obama as his two year tenure as Speaker proves. At the beginning of the Speaker’s House majority, Boehner caved numerous times so that in his own words, “He would live to fight another day;” the day the GOP would control the House, Senate, and Presidency. That did not happen so how is going to conduct the fight against the fiscal cliff without his gang of all three branches of government?

mohokat
Ogden, UT

I am so thankful that my corrupt government FORCED my to contribute to Social Security all of my life. It is such a rewarding investment. I have had no control over it. It was forced upon me. At my death my family gets nothing. And now there is no increase in earnings. I do not mind paying my share but I hear no cuts for the takers in our society. How about no cell phones. What a scam the U.S. Government is.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

Finally, a potential agreement on both sides that those most able to carry the burden ought to be those who most carry it.

Goodness knows Republicans aren't against higher taxes, for they are fighting that those at the lower end, who pay state and local taxes also pay federal taxes. .. i.e. they are fighting to raise taxes on those at the lower end while fighting tooth and nail that those on the higher end don't get a tax break.

We have dug ourselves into a debt hole and getting out will require sacrifice (i.e. pain). It was really stupid for our national leaders to suppose that all this debt would not hurt our country. That we could get into costly and needless wars and this would somehow be good for us. If those at the lower ends are going to be called on to sacrifice to pay for the stupidity of our elected leaders, then those at the upper end are going to have to sacrifice too.

Its always those at the lower end whose kids are tempted by recuiters, not the wealthy kids. We need to keep this in mind.

raybies
Layton, UT

I feel sorry for the makers of Turbo Tax. Whatever the tax laws will be for this next year, they'll have precious little time to get it into their programs before it's time for people to start filing their taxes. Poor programmers.

J-TX
Allen, TX

Frankly, the "fiscal cliff" would be the best thing for the US.

- It would provide much needed spending cuts and tax increases.
- It would show the spendthrifts on Capitol Hill that our economy CAN handle austerity measures.
- It would provide REAL impetus to revamp the tax code, health care and the role of the Federal Government.

This cat and mouse will end up in nothing but more disappointment for the American people. Too little, too late of the wrong actions.

I-am-I
South Jordan, UT

this plan does nothing. 1.3 trillion over ten years and budget cuts that are at best 1.2 trillion over 10 years? that's only 2trillion dollar difference over ten years. are you kidding me? that's nothing. our national debt is around 16 trillion. at Obama's spending rate it'll be well above 20 trillion when he is done and people are happy about an additional 1.3 trillion over 10 years? can anyone in the Washington do math, listen to an accountant or accept the fact that their ability to do budgets(90%of a politicians job) is seriously below par?

J-TX
Allen, TX

Amen, I-am-I.

DN Subscriber 2
SLC, UT

Big whoop.

Our boat is sinking from excessive spending. Obama and Boehner may agree on a slightly larger bucket to bail with. But it really does nothing to fix the spending holes int he boat which are causing it to sink.

And, as has been proven over and over again, Obama simply cannot be trusted to do what he says. No verbal "agreement" is worth anything at all, and we are at the point where converting a verbal agreement to specific legislative language in the next 13 days is nearly impossible to do and still have time to see what is in it. Never again should we have to "pass a bill to see what is in it" as happened with Obamacare.

In any case, Obama will continue to spend trillions of dollars more than we take in every year for the next four years. When the Chinese grow wary of lending us more money, the interest alone on our debt will finish the destruction of our economy, savings and earnings.

Obama won the election, but this "fix" repairs nothing although the liberal media will say it has.

Stop the spending!

Thinkin\' Man
Rexburg, ID

When you have a spending problem, more income will only result in a bigger spending problem.

Allen#2
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

Boehner is not a true Republican because he recognizes that both sides need to compromise.

Would residents of Utah be happy if Hill Air Force Base closes because of "No New Taxes"?

JWB
Kaysville, UT

This President could have done this type of movement a year ago when the Republicans offered him a budget, several times. Instead, it was the political side of this President, which is the only side he has, that kept him from doing it.

If he had done this type of move with Mitt Romney at his doorstep, it would have played into Mitt's abilities as a business person. Budgets, income in and payments going out, is what government is also to be about.

It takes both income and payments to make a government move, with fiduciary responsibility. It is good that the President is finally attempting, after 4 years to move forward on a budgetary process. If it actually happens, it will be a miracle. He still plays the make a crisis and take advantage of it to show his power to make and for people to fear the consequences.

The United States of America has been on this road to fiscal ruin with a Democratic Congress for more than 50 years with some moments of Republican input. People like to think that they are fiscally responsible, but that means taking in the reigns of spending, which they don't like.

one old man
Ogden, UT

To anyone who has done even a little research into the REASONS behind Obama's supposed spending sprees, the comments blaming him for the mess we are in is sickening.

President Obama has actually initiated far less new spending than his Republican predecessors starting with Reagan.

He has been stuck with the ongoing effects of tax cuts that were permanently etched into granite by previous administrations and by two of President Cheney's unfunded wars.

Why does it seem to be so difficult for some people to do a little simple research before spouting off?

Fred44
Salt Lake City, Utah

Obama spending? Did they change the constitution when I wasn't looking? Spending is a function of congress not the President.

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

Increasing taxes was a symbolic concession, for Obama's principle. Now, Obama, you've got your symbolic principle. It is time to get serious. Not some wimply little reduction in the cost of living for social security. Means tests the affluent for social security. Raise the retirement age. You talked about $4 trillion in cuts two years ago but you wanted your symbolic tqx on the rich. Now, you have your symbolic concession, now, cut benefits to the affluent.

JWB
Kaysville, UT

It is just as in the time of the Children of Israel wanted their government to be just like their neighboring countries. The Lord told them no but finally after many attempts He allowed them to have a King, a very good person to begin with such as Saul, David and Solomon. However, they took on the pride of their position and the people suffered due to their wanting to be like their neighbors.

We have had a Constitution of the United States of America as our guiding light for over 200 years with very few amendments due to that difficult process. That is good as we can't change the basic document very easily.

However, the executive orders can somewhat subvert that process. In the past 4 years, this Administration hasn't even got a proposed budget, even when his party controlled both houses of Congress. The Republicans didn't have the say so on that. The President pushed Obamacare and not the budget. He wanted us to spend into delirium without knowing the intake of budgetary processes. He subverted the parliamentary processes with his administration to pass and then read. Numbers can be read before passing and signing.

Noodlekaboodle
Millcreek, UT

@JWB
Mitt lost. Get over it.

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