Re: ". . . SUWA is the SOUTHERN Utah Wilderness Alliance (Snake Valley is in
Western Utah)."Actually, Snake Valley and its associated
aquifers extend clear down into Iron County -- which, for the edification of
East Bench liberals, is generally considered Southern Utah.Whatever
their alibis, however, NONE of the tree hugger organizations is standing up for
or doing anything to defend Snake Valley water.Or the rest of Utah,
that will be severely affected by the death of the West Desert, for that
matter.I'll bet reckless, feckless tree huggers are glad they
have someone like you to stick up for them when they show their true political
@procuradorfiscal"here's SUWA? Where's Earth Justice, or
Sierra Club?"First, SUWA is the SOUTHERN Utah Wilderness
Alliance (Snake Valley is in Western Utah).Second, Earth Justice is a
network of attorneys who provide service to those who request it. The Great
Basin Water Network has not requested their help, so they are not involved.Third, the Sierra Club HAS led field trips and issued statements on Snake
Valley:"A joint Utah-Nevada Sierra Club outing ably lead by
David von Seggern arrived in Snake Valley..." and "Ranchers (and the
Sierra Club) say the pumping will destroy the environment and the valley's
communities in both Utah and Nevada."A simple google search
could have revealed all of this to you within seconds, but why let the facts get
in the way of a good argument, right?
And, where are the tree huggers that usually have so much to say about anything
occurring in the eastern and southern parts of the state?Where's SUWA? Where's Earth Justice, or Sierra Club?Funny how they jump up and down and throw a tantrum about any action known to
have even the smallest, de minimus effect in any other part of the state. But
when it comes to something that will literally kill the West Desert --
Why does the D-News raise the court bogeyman to conclude Utah should sign an
agreement with Nevada.Did the D-News have someone analyze and project what
the expected court results would be? Did the three wise water attorneys? I
don't think so. Instead the D-News and Utah State Government would rather
play the victim card. It's so much easier to say there is an undefined risk
in going to court instead of doing the work necessary to protect Utah's
Well Redshirt, you are welcome to all oil company's recycled water you can
drink. If BP's gulf is any example of what they think is
"back to normal" you won't last long.
Bear Lake, The Great Salt Lake, Utah Lake really don't count unless you
mean we should use all that water before it gets to the lakes? We live in a
desert, with a population that is already competing for limited water, but I
guess a head in the sand requires no water.
To "JoeBlow" you realize that water is also measured in acre-feet, wich
is about 271,000 gallons. The Colorado river annually moves 1.5 million acre
feet of water. The amount needed for a single, with less than 1/2 of that being
used by the time it hits the ocean.A typical fracking hole will use
up to 5 million gallons of water, which is about 20 acre feet of water, or
.000013% of the water going through the colorado river in a year, or .00025% of
the unused water in the colorado river in a year. Now, if most of that water
can be recycled during the extraction process, the initial need for water will
be the worst, and even then it is nearly an insignificant drop in the bucket for
what flows naturally through the state.
Flash, not in Cache County, Salt Lake County, Utah County, Davis County, Weber
County. Uintah County has quite a bit also. I think Sanpete is pretty well
heeled with water.
Red,The most consistent estimate is 3 barrels of water for ever
barrel of oil. A barrel is 43 gallons.Are "millions" of
gallons needed?All depends on how much oil you intend to get.
To "Screwdriver" millions of gallons are not needed. The oil companies
are aware of the limited resources. If you bothered to actually look to see
what they are doing to mitigate their water use, you would see that along with
developing techniques for extracting oil from shale, they are figuring out how
to recycle the water that they do use.
The 5 valleys proposed for pumping by the SNWA GWD does not and will not include
the science of recharge of the groundwater, the groundwater recharge is wholly
and solely dependent on how much snow and rainfall is recieved annually,
unfortunately the reports dismisses this important scientific information in
making the determine on how much groundwater is available. The project will
take more water out than the recharge which will upset the water equilibrium.
Therefore, to take the water recharge factor out of the equation is discounting
science. No agreement will protect the environment from being dried out and the
valleys becoming dust valleys. This affects everything the plants, the animals,
the trees, and the existence of life as we know today.
Water is a premium everywhere in Utah, Flash.
Headline says "Umping Water"? Baseball reference perhaps?Hey Screwdriver, different end of the state in the shadow of the Uinta
Mountain Drainage for Oil Shale. Not the western desert area that this article
is talking about where water is at a premium.
And people actually believe there are millions of extra gallons of water that
can be used for shale oil extraction ?