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Stories of heroism, help emerge amid questions of 'why?'

Published: Saturday, Dec. 15 2012 11:27 p.m. MST

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Beverly
Eden, UT

As the City of Newtown mourns, the NRA is hiding behind the 2nd Amendment. Clutching their assault rifles as if they were a sick child. When will we realize that guns are a big part of the problem? Don't me taken in my the flawed logic in the statement, "Guns don't kill people - Guns kill people." If this is logical to you, how about "Grenades don't kill people - People kill people." Why can't we have grenades? Grenades are weapons of war and mass destruction. What are assault rifles? If the killing of 20 children isn't mass destruction - what is???

vdubbin'
Ogden, UT

It's not a gun problem, it's a sick people problem. Your pithy remark about the NRA is very clever, but surely you aren't so foolish as to believe that taking guns from law abiding citizens is the answer. Utahans have always been freedom loving people. Your remark makes me think that is changing. Sad...

squirt
Taylorsville, ut

vdubbin' taking assault weapons and semi-automatic weapons away from people is absolutely what needs to be done. These weapons serve no purpose other than what we all just saw in CT. Terribly tragic and deserves a civil dialogue not deriding folks for their opinions.

vdubbin'
Ogden, UT

I'm not deriding anyone any more than anyone else. But since you guys have all the answers, I'll leave you to it. I sure miss my Utah of 20 years ago, where individual accountability was preferable to governmental action...

Wayne Rout
El Paso, TX

We can thank the Democrats and liberals who have been on a campaign for 75 years to destroy our society. There is no one problem or one easy solution. It is many things. Destruction of the family, lack of moral teaching in the schools, setting mental patients loose in our communities, lack of standards in movies, TV, and video games, wholesale flood into our society of people who do not value our national culture, destruction of our educational system, etc. The list goes on. It is not this one incident, but the daily stream of foul images, logic, and thought that we read about in I Timothy. We cannot purge positive values from our society without dragging society into the cesspool of the third world. I see no hope now. Our country has hopelessly lost its way and there is no one to lead us out of the quagmire we are in.

Sadmom2
Ely , NV

People who choose to commit such heinous acts of violence will do so with what's available. 9-11 is hardcore evidence of that. Don't under-estimate the resourcefulness of the human mind. You say grenades kill people, so why can't we have grenades? My question to you is what's stopping you? The legalities involving gernade ownership don't deter someone who could care less what the law says. Sure they're more difficult to come by but not impossible. The truth is grenades (and guns, and pipe bombs in a backpack) exist. Even if you could magically make them all disappear, people would still commit heinous acts of violence because the problem lies in the mind and soul. And it continues to happen because our society has lost the warrior spirit. We stand by and watch as women are stabbed to death in the street, or as men are beheaded in greyhound busses. We give notoriety to criminals by making them infamous celebrities. We talk ourselves our of calling the police when we hear our neighbor beating his wife because we don't want to get involved. We make an easy target.

Ralph West Jordan
Taylorsville, UT

While something should definitely be done about assault weapons, I hear very little about the continual diet of violence being fed into our childrens minds via TV, Movies, Video Games and Music! We have created a culture that accepts violent behavior on a daily basis, so why do we find it surprising that on to many occasions, an individual decides to act out! There is much more to our problem than Guns and unstable people.

DN Subscriber 2
SLC, UT

People need not look far for the answer.

Evil exists.

Evil must be confronted, and stopped. With kindness beforehand if possible, but with force, even deadly force, when necessary.

The salient fact is that we need to control (and treat if possible) people who are mentally ill. No more accepting the nonsense that "crazy people have rights too." When these folks commit acts like this that confirms that we need to rethink the level of mental illness that people can have and still be allowed to roam the streets or live at home. We used to keep the crazy people locked up, and need to do that again.

Okay, it might "infringe on their rights" but how is that any worse than the infringements already imposed, not to mention suggested on the rights of law abiding citizens right to have guns.

Center for Disease Control studies prove that NO, repeat NO, type of gun law has ever resulted in a decrease in violent crimes, so we really should not waste time trying solutions proven not to work.

EnglishAlan
Rugeley, Staffs

We had such an event in the UK at a small town in Scotland called Dunblane. Our government took strong action, and introduced new legislation to curb the ownership and storage of guns. Result? No more such attrocities in schools.

There has to be strict control placed on who can, and who cannot own a gun. Anyone who wants a gun has to undertake stringent mental profiling, and be tested regularly. Anyone who has a gun after not fulfilling such requirements should be given an automatic jail sentence of many, many years.

To say, "It's people, not guns, that kill people," is a nonsense. It's people WITH guns that kill people. Take away the guns, and make the people caught with them serve long term punishment, and you will dramatically reduce gun crime. You will never totally eradicate it, but you can reduce it. The evidence is there to be seen in my own country.

Gregg Weber
SEATTLE, WA

Squirt should read the 2nd Amendment and the reason for it along with a history of how the Constitution was ratified. Then you will understand the reason for people to have something better than a flintlock to defend the Constitution against execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions. They were looking at an insurrection against the Constitution by those out of power. We might be in an insurrection, corruption, or some other word, of the Constitution by those within the halls of power and wanting to become Kingmen. Don't take away the people's final means when all else (other 9 of the Bill of Rights) fail.

catcrazed
Eagle Mountain, UT

I think that we have a lot to answer for in our society. How do we treat each other? What do we do about the mentally ill? How do we help those who are struck by tragedy to recover? What do we teach our children? How do we deal with bullying How do we help those who are bullied to cope with that bullying without the use of deadly force? How do we predict episodes like this one, if it is even possible to do so? This list goes on...God bless everyone in their healing.

KC Mormon
Edgerton, KS

I see a lot of people jumping on either one side or the other, take guns away don't take guns away. Yet most people look past the real problem. Guns are not the real problem, yes bad people can do a LOT of harm with guns, and in this case a lot of harm was done that never should have been done. However as Wayne Rout pointed out people look past the real problem. We have violence in our music, on our TV's, in our movies, in our video games. Not the kind of thing we had twenty years ago were a person was shot and they just fell down, no we have to show blood spatter and glorify murder in our songs. If you really want to save lives in the future parents start listening to the songs your children listen to, both the radio version and the CD version. If you can not understand it look the words up on line. When you learn what the words are put a stop to them listening to it it is your house do not let it in. I will add more on video games in another post.

KC Mormon
Edgerton, KS

Second post. On video games again parents this falls to YOU to stop the violence. Do you understand the reason the games kids play today were they go around killing people were originally created? In WWI our military trained on round targets. They found that around 13% would freeze up the first time they had to shoot at a person in combat. By WWII we started to use human silhouettes as targets. They found this doped the rate down to about 3%. This was still to high so over time simulations were developed that led to what is the modern video games for the purpose of reducing even lower that reluctance to shoot a human figure. So every time you let your children play the harmless games were they go around killing people you are in fact doing the very harm that the game was designed to do, make them less reluctant to pull the trigger. Rather than jumping directly to taking the guns away from people lets look at some of the REAL causes of the problems in our country and go to that first or it will be something else used next.

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