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Published: Saturday, Dec. 15 2012 7:20 p.m. MST

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Palo Alto, CA

No bowl and no rivalry; Hill is doing to Utah football what he did to Utah basketball.

Orem, UT

Meh, good riddance. A couple more seasons like the one they had this year and they will be begging to come play again. When their team goes 5-7 there isn't a whole lot to get excited about. I've never seen so many bandwagon fans jumping off the wagon either. The sad part is the basketball team is doing the same thing. How many in a row has Dave Rose and his team won over the utes?

When the utes got into the pac 12 all I heard from my ute fan friends was how much the money was going to improve their program. Put up a pac 12 banner! We are in! Now all I am hearing is how much ticket prices have gone up to see a mediocre product. They better get it turned around quick or the downward spiral is going to wipe out all of their programs.

South Jordan, UT

They decided not to play BYU because the "Holy War" is dead. I, personally, do not care if the Cougars ever play the Utes in anything! The rivalry has become too bitter and uncivil. Let it rest. "Peace on earth, good will to men." Life will go on without this game.

Go Cougars!

Y's Guy
Salt Lake City, UT

The irony is so rich.

Nothing more need be said.

bountiful, ut

Go Bulldogs GO! :)

Springville, UT

I think most of 'us' BYU fans have moved on with this 2 yr hiatus thing.

So as far as stating that BYU fans are saddened by all of this is a stretch.

I'm pulling for the Utes to play Fresno St. Although it's an easy win and maybe a little desperate, dealing with sad and grumpy Ute fans in the post season is much more troublesome than letting them win a game and maybe say letting them play Nevada in the New Mexico Bowl. By the way that would have been a fun game to watch. I can only imagine the outcome of that scenario.

Also since this article is more about sad Ute fans, may I suggest that the picture be changed to the classic 'sad and perplexed Coach Whit'.

Who am I sir?
Cottonwood Heights, UT

If a rivalry means evenly contested games, I submit the Utah - BYU series has hardly been one. I remember at the start of the 1960's the series had been one of the most loopsided ones in the nation. Utah winning some 40+ times against something like 7 losses. Then came the "Lavel" era with BYU winning 18 of 20 times. Since then it has been fairly even; however, Utah has won 8 of the last 11. Certainly there have been some exciting games during those years; however, the history has been one of periodic dominance by one team or the other.

During this entire history the two teams have been "tied" together through out by common conference membership. Today the two teams face differenct situations. Utah is in a conference and of the 12 games nine are agains conference opponents. Every year the opponents comprise a more difficult schedule than the U has experienced before PAC -12 membership. Recruiting, geographics, past affiliations, and overall scheduling affects are a few considerations in scheduling the remeaining three games each year.

Not so for BYU. IMO that is why most fans critical of the new "arrangement" are BYU fans.

Tom in CA
Vallejo, CA

Go Bulldogs!!!

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

The radio outcry Hollis refers to is from BYU fans, not Utah fans.

How hard is it to understand that annual games with BYU no longer help Utah achieve it's goals?

The success of Utah's program does not depend on pleasing BYU fans.

Despite a few bumps in the road in it's new and stronger conference Utah fans are pretty pleased with the state of the Utah program.

BYU has been left behind by Utah in conference affiliation, and regardless of the Dick Harmon spin independence presents, at best, an unstable future for BYU. BYU's fading on-field performance has produced a 3-8 record against Utah in the last 11 games.

BYU fans will take solace in their berth in the 3rd tier Poinsettia Bowl and Hollis mounts a noble effort to create controversy around the Utah program, but the truth is that it is the BYU program that has controversy to deal with.

Franklin, IN

Once again...

Utah is fine! BYU seems to be fine. Alone...

Fresno? Idaho? NMSU? Everyone plays dogs.

Frisco, TX

Translation of Howard S. comment in parentheses:

How hard is it to understand that annual games with BYU no longer help Utah achieve it's goals? (of getting to 6-6 or 7-5 to get to a 4th tier bowl game, like the New Mexico Bowl.)

Despite a few bumps in the road (downward spiral) in it's new and stronger conference Utah fans are pretty pleased with the state of the Utah program (and don't mind being a cellar dwellar).

BYU fans will take solace in their berth in the 3rd tier Poinsettia Bowl (while Utes are bowling at University Union for $2.95)

As a Coug fan, I also don't understand the obsession with the extra money that now comes in from the PAC12. Where does it go? Ticket prices have gone up. Taxes have gone up. Maybe Whit gets more money? But it doesn't benefit the fans or Utah taxpayers. If anything, PAC12 membership is costing the fans and taxpayers more money.

Uncle Rico
Provo, UT

BYU had a much easier schedule, that is why they are bowling.

BYU beat 1 team that finished over .500 (Utah State)
Utah beat 1 team that finished over .500 (BYU)

Utah beat all teams under .500
BYU beat all teams under .500

Utah won head to head.

As a Ute fan I am not upset. Utah gets quality teams for home and homes (USC, Stanford, Oregon, Michigan, etc).
BYU has to play 2 roads to get a home (Texas, Wisconsin, Michigan).

Utah has better access to better bowls.
Utah has better access to new playoff format.

Utah doesn't have a coach who has a mancrush on the QB.

Even though the Utes had a disappointing season, it still is great to be a Utah fan.

Howard S.
Taylorsville, UT

CougFaninTX -

Is that the best you've got? Weeeaaaaak...

Let me just say this this about that.... you seem pretty critical of a conference affiliation that the Cougar Nation would choose in a second over independence.

Oh, and if Utah's goal was the New Mexico bowl, that 73% winning percentage over BYU in the last 11 years would be pretty helpful.

Salt Lake City, UT

One thing I will concede to Cougar fans is that they are indeed the most obnoxious in the nation. I used to think their snarky comments were limited to stories about the University of Utah or Utah State. I dismissed that as rivalry smack.

But as BYU has expanded its exposure, those same fans invade the comment boards of other schools. I've seen their ugly comments on stories about Georgia Tech, Notre Dame, Ole Miss, and Texas. Stirring up hatred for the Cougar program is not the exposure the LDS Church envisioned. BYU stands in stark contrast to programs like Nebraska whose fans are legendary for their polite and welcoming nature.

Does playing Fresno State improve the Utah football program? Maybe, maybe not. But sometimes the greatest improvement is made by removing yourself from a negative situation. There is nothing positive in the Utah-BYU relationship anymore.


As proof that the rivalry game means so much more to BYU fans than it does to Utah fans, all you have to do is look at the first 6 comments on this board: 5 from BYU (and a 6th supposedly from a Fresno fan). Further proof that winning, or attempting to win, the rivalry game is all that matters to BYU fans nowadays.

As to Utah fans, we've moved on. We have our sights set on much higher goals. We learned from this year that you have to have a solid quarterback AND at least one (preferable two) solid quarterbacks waiting in the wings to take over if the first stringer goes down. It's all about the quarterback. Look at what Peyton Manning has down for a previously below-average Bronco team this year: 10-3 at the moment, up from 8-8 last year.

With improved quarterback play and continually improving recruiting, we'll be just fine.

Go Utes!!

Joe Schmoe
Orem, UT

Go Red,

That is because the few Utah fans left have stopped following the team. A 5-7 season will do that to your fanbase. I guess the bright side is ticket prices will come back down now.

It is going to be a long time before the utes get their program up and running again.

Real Bass
Idaho Falls, ID

I wonder how many years of being an also ran cellar dweller it will take for the PAC shine to wear off. Two bummer years so far in all sports and you didn't even get the big bucks. Littlest of fish in the big pond may not sit well for long.

Intel BYU Cougar Fan
Cedar Hills, UT

It's hard to justify to say it's good to play Fresno State other than BYU. It's Utue's whipping... and I think they are not good.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

I'm glad Utah is moving on. BYU and their fans (especially the ones in this thread) should try and do the same.

Sandy, UT

The Utes have become a laughing stock.

There are only two excuses for the Utes not being willing to play BYU and Utah State in football, and Utah State and Weber State in basketball - the Utes are too scared or they're too arrogant.

Either way, they're embarrassing themselves and the entire Utah fan base.

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