No bowl and no rivalry; Hill is doing to Utah football what he did to Utah
Meh, good riddance. A couple more seasons like the one they had this year and
they will be begging to come play again. When their team goes 5-7 there
isn't a whole lot to get excited about. I've never seen so many
bandwagon fans jumping off the wagon either. The sad part is the basketball
team is doing the same thing. How many in a row has Dave Rose and his team won
over the utes? When the utes got into the pac 12 all I heard from
my ute fan friends was how much the money was going to improve their program.
Put up a pac 12 banner! We are in! Now all I am hearing is how much ticket
prices have gone up to see a mediocre product. They better get it turned around
quick or the downward spiral is going to wipe out all of their programs.
They decided not to play BYU because the "Holy War" is dead. I,
personally, do not care if the Cougars ever play the Utes in anything! The
rivalry has become too bitter and uncivil. Let it rest. "Peace on earth,
good will to men." Life will go on without this game. Go
The irony is so rich. Nothing more need be said.
Go Bulldogs GO! :)
I think most of 'us' BYU fans have moved on with this 2 yr hiatus
thing. So as far as stating that BYU fans are saddened by all of
this is a stretch. I'm pulling for the Utes to play Fresno St.
Although it's an easy win and maybe a little desperate, dealing with sad
and grumpy Ute fans in the post season is much more troublesome than letting
them win a game and maybe say letting them play Nevada in the New Mexico Bowl.
By the way that would have been a fun game to watch. I can only imagine the
outcome of that scenario.Also since this article is more about sad
Ute fans, may I suggest that the picture be changed to the classic 'sad and
perplexed Coach Whit'.
If a rivalry means evenly contested games, I submit the Utah - BYU series has
hardly been one. I remember at the start of the 1960's the series had been
one of the most loopsided ones in the nation. Utah winning some 40+ times
against something like 7 losses. Then came the "Lavel" era with BYU
winning 18 of 20 times. Since then it has been fairly even; however, Utah has
won 8 of the last 11. Certainly there have been some exciting games during
those years; however, the history has been one of periodic dominance by one team
or the other. During this entire history the two teams have been
"tied" together through out by common conference membership. Today the
two teams face differenct situations. Utah is in a conference and of the 12
games nine are agains conference opponents. Every year the opponents comprise a
more difficult schedule than the U has experienced before PAC -12 membership.
Recruiting, geographics, past affiliations, and overall scheduling affects are a
few considerations in scheduling the remeaining three games each year. Not so for BYU. IMO that is why most fans critical of the new
"arrangement" are BYU fans.
The radio outcry Hollis refers to is from BYU fans, not Utah fans.How hard is it to understand that annual games with BYU no longer help Utah
achieve it's goals? The success of Utah's program does not
depend on pleasing BYU fans.Despite a few bumps in the road in
it's new and stronger conference Utah fans are pretty pleased with the
state of the Utah program.BYU has been left behind by Utah in
conference affiliation, and regardless of the Dick Harmon spin independence
presents, at best, an unstable future for BYU. BYU's fading on-field
performance has produced a 3-8 record against Utah in the last 11 games.BYU fans will take solace in their berth in the 3rd tier Poinsettia Bowl
and Hollis mounts a noble effort to create controversy around the Utah program,
but the truth is that it is the BYU program that has controversy to deal with.
Once again...Utah is fine! BYU seems to be fine. Alone...Fresno? Idaho? NMSU? Everyone plays dogs.
Translation of Howard S. comment in parentheses:How hard is it to
understand that annual games with BYU no longer help Utah achieve it's
goals? (of getting to 6-6 or 7-5 to get to a 4th tier bowl game, like the New
Mexico Bowl.)Despite a few bumps in the road (downward spiral) in
it's new and stronger conference Utah fans are pretty pleased with the
state of the Utah program (and don't mind being a cellar dwellar).BYU fans will take solace in their berth in the 3rd tier Poinsettia Bowl
(while Utes are bowling at University Union for $2.95) As a Coug
fan, I also don't understand the obsession with the extra money that now
comes in from the PAC12. Where does it go? Ticket prices have gone up. Taxes
have gone up. Maybe Whit gets more money? But it doesn't benefit the fans
or Utah taxpayers. If anything, PAC12 membership is costing the fans and
taxpayers more money.
BYU had a much easier schedule, that is why they are bowling.BYU
beat 1 team that finished over .500 (Utah State)Utah beat 1 team that
finished over .500 (BYU)Utah beat all teams under .500BYU beat
all teams under .500Utah won head to head.As a Ute fan I
am not upset. Utah gets quality teams for home and homes (USC, Stanford,
Oregon, Michigan, etc).BYU has to play 2 roads to get a home (Texas,
Wisconsin, Michigan).Utah has better access to better bowls.Utah has better access to new playoff format.Utah doesn't
have a coach who has a mancrush on the QB.Even though the Utes had a
disappointing season, it still is great to be a Utah fan.
CougFaninTX -Is that the best you've got? Weeeaaaaak...Let me just say this this about that.... you seem pretty critical of a
conference affiliation that the Cougar Nation would choose in a second over
independence.Oh, and if Utah's goal was the New Mexico bowl,
that 73% winning percentage over BYU in the last 11 years would be pretty
One thing I will concede to Cougar fans is that they are indeed the most
obnoxious in the nation. I used to think their snarky comments were limited to
stories about the University of Utah or Utah State. I dismissed that as rivalry
smack.But as BYU has expanded its exposure, those same fans invade
the comment boards of other schools. I've seen their ugly comments on
stories about Georgia Tech, Notre Dame, Ole Miss, and Texas. Stirring up hatred
for the Cougar program is not the exposure the LDS Church envisioned. BYU
stands in stark contrast to programs like Nebraska whose fans are legendary for
their polite and welcoming nature.Does playing Fresno State improve
the Utah football program? Maybe, maybe not. But sometimes the greatest
improvement is made by removing yourself from a negative situation. There is
nothing positive in the Utah-BYU relationship anymore.
As proof that the rivalry game means so much more to BYU fans than it does to
Utah fans, all you have to do is look at the first 6 comments on this board: 5
from BYU (and a 6th supposedly from a Fresno fan). Further proof that winning,
or attempting to win, the rivalry game is all that matters to BYU fans
nowadays.As to Utah fans, we've moved on. We have our sights
set on much higher goals. We learned from this year that you have to have a
solid quarterback AND at least one (preferable two) solid quarterbacks waiting
in the wings to take over if the first stringer goes down. It's all about
the quarterback. Look at what Peyton Manning has down for a previously
below-average Bronco team this year: 10-3 at the moment, up from 8-8 last
year.With improved quarterback play and continually improving
recruiting, we'll be just fine.Go Utes!!
Go Red,That is because the few Utah fans left have stopped following
the team. A 5-7 season will do that to your fanbase. I guess the bright side is
ticket prices will come back down now.It is going to be a long time
before the utes get their program up and running again.
I wonder how many years of being an also ran cellar dweller it will take for the
PAC shine to wear off. Two bummer years so far in all sports and you
didn't even get the big bucks. Littlest of fish in the big pond may not
sit well for long.
It's hard to justify to say it's good to play Fresno State other than
BYU. It's Utue's whipping... and I think they are not good.
I'm glad Utah is moving on. BYU and their fans (especially the ones in
this thread) should try and do the same.
The Utes have become a laughing stock.There are only two excuses for
the Utes not being willing to play BYU and Utah State in football, and Utah
State and Weber State in basketball - the Utes are too scared or they're
too arrogant.Either way, they're embarrassing themselves and
the entire Utah fan base.
Embarrassing Utah; simply embarrassing.
The greatest rivalry is ALL of sports is the Ohio State / Michigan football
rivalry.You ute homers think the Ohio State/Michigan fans are all in
a love fest together?? They make the "hate" you talk about between BYU
and utah look like child's play.
Yes, there are definitely some dissappointed, sad 'fans' who seem to
be having a hard time with this.They aren't Utah fans, though.
This is really sad. The Holy War is one of the greatest traditions in all of
college sports, and it's sad to see it die just because the Utah athletic
director wants to do things his own way. This rivalry means a lot to the state
of Utah, and that's why the games always sell out. I always loved going to
the games as a kid--I looked forward to it every year. You can't beat the
emotion leading up to it or during the game. And it usually is a great, physical
game that comes down to the wire. It's just great football. I hope that
2014 and 2015 will be the only 2 years the 2 teams don't play each other. I
remember BYU taking a 2 years hiatus with Utah State a couple years back, but
now the series is up and running again! This rivalry is much bigger than the
"last 10 years." It's a nearly 100-year old rivalry that is much
bigger than you, me, or Chris Hill. Here's to hoping that this great
tradition lives on for years to come.
Not many disappointed Ute fans commenting today... was there even one?Hollis, maybe it's time for you to issue a clarification that it is
really only BYU fans (and the media) disappointed by Utah dropping them from the
Howard S."Not many disappointed Ute fans commenting today... was
there even one?"I saw several disappointed Ute fans
commenting... of course if you choose to bury your head in the sand and pretend
that every Ute fan that doesn't subscribe to your agenda is not really a
Ute fan, then you can live in your crimson bubble and pretend that the Utes
would rather play Fresno State than BYU.
TheSportsAuthority -Certainly there are some true Utes that are
disappointed with the passing of rivalry... But it undeniable that the vast
majority of those complaining on message boards and the radio are BYU fans
disappointed at being left behind.Hollis and others in the media are
just trying to stir up controversy in the Ute program where none exists.Disappointed Cougar fans should show some dignity, accept the reality
and move on.
Here is another Ute fan that is just fine with moving on. Way too much
emotional baggage and hate with continuing to play the y every year. Let it go,
I'm with you D4inSLC. There are other teams that both schools will play
that will add intrigue. We all need to move on and let it go. If they never
played again I would be fine. After a few years most would forget about the
Fact is, Randy and the BYU fan base just doesn't get it. Utah does not want
to play BYU at all because of their fans and the local media treatment of the
game! Most of the Utah fans I talk with are just down right fed up with the
local media and BYU as a whole. Why schedule a game with a school that it's
fans (and media) claim to be the better team even when they lose? If the BYU fan
base is so satisfied and contented with their Independence, Why would they even
care? The local media says nothing when Utah doesn't play Utah State? For
that matter, nothing is said when BYU doesn't play Utah State. Wake up
Randy and BYU fans, quit living in 1984. Truth is Utah does not need or want a
game with BYU.
Count me as another Utah fan who couldn't care less if we play BYU again.
Do you think Hill made this decision on his own, without consulting major
contributors? Do you think if those major donors had said keep playing BYU, we
wouldn't still be playing BYU? There's always going to be some Utah
fans who want to play BYU, especially because they are once again becoming our
whipping boy, but the majority of fans I know aren't really going to miss
Utah fan here- couldn't be more ok with our upcoming schedules. A lot of these upset BYU fans really wish that more of us were upset too.
Sorry guys. We're just fine.
The funny thing about the Cougar fan cheering in the pic that accompanies this
article is that Brandon Burton broke his heart in the last play of the
game...It's blocked... it's blocked... Utes win.... Utes
win...It's fun beating BYU that way... but it's also fun
watching the outage of the Cougar faithful as is dawns on them the Utah has
We need more winnable games like Idaho State.I'm glad we
won't have to play Utah anymore.
USC fan chiming in. Fresno St has a much better team than Utah, right now. If
Tim DeRuyter is still coach, that isn't changing in 2014-15. In fact,
I'll be nervous about that squad coming to the Coliseum in 2014. As a
Central Valley resident, love the direction of that program. Now, if DeRuyter is
stolen, by a Big 12 or SEC team after next season, who knows at that point.
Here's the real reason that Utah has backed away from scheduling BYU.
After Coach Whittingham's family was physically attacked the last two times
they went down there both Hill and Whitt decided the Rivalry was too heated and
could use a hiatus. What is funny is that in the past the BYU coach has uttered
the same sentiment. This rivaly is no longer fun, its destructive.
TheSportsAuthority:"I saw several disappointed Ute fans
commenting..."I'm pretty sure most of those
"disappointed Ute fans" were really "disappointed COUGAR fans"
who had created "Ute fan" handles, and pretending to be us, because I
sure don't recognize many of them. Now admittedly, due to the DNews
overzealous censorship policy, I prefer to leave the majority of my posts on
another periodical, but even still, I recognized YOUR name. And
nosaerfoecioveht's, and Howard S', and Uteology's, etc., so I
think I can be considered regular enough to say so.This Ute fan
LOVES dropping our irrelevant little brother from the 2014 and 2015 schedules in
favor of FSU. There sure are a lot more 4-star recruits in Fresno than there
are in Provo AND Murfreesboro combined! Way to go Dr. Hill.
I don't understand why Coug fans are so upset. You'd think they'd
be grateful to Dr. Hill.BYU gets a 2-year break from playing a team
that has pretty owned them over the past 11 years. With their upcoming, much
praised "tough independent schedule" BYU can now schedule another WAC,
err, MAC doormat to try give them a better shot at becoming eligible for the
2014 and 2015 Irrelevant Bowls.You're welcome.
Yup. If you replay the end(s) of the last BYU-Utah game in slow-mo, you can make
out that all those Utah students who rushed the field (like, eight times) were
all screaming "WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE RIVALRY! FORGET BYU; WE'D
RATHER GET A SHOT AT FRESNO STATE! BRING ON THE BULLDOGS!"As
I've stated in other threads, you don't rush the field when your team
wins a game you don't care about. Or, maybe you do . . I confess I
haven't watched any other Ute games this year. Is it the MUSS way to rush
the field after every win? Makes sense . . with so few wins to celebrate, you
make do with what you have. It's cute.
SlopClassic BYU spin, and thanks for telling me what I care about
and what I don't. No one on here said we didn't want to throttle BYU.
We must aren't going to miss the game when it's gone. There's a
big difference. When Utah was in the MWC I wanted to crush everyone, it was
doubly gratifying to beat BYU when we were in the same conference. But now that
we are shooting for bigger and better things, like a PAC 12 championship. To
that end, WSU and Colorado mean a lot more to the program than does any out of
conference game, including BYU, Michigan, Utah State, or Northern Colorado. Does
that mean we don't want to win those games? Absolutely not. Does that mean
that that emotions won't run high? Of course they will. But that
doesn't negate the fact that for the vast majority of Utah fans that I
know, we can take or leave the BYU game, as its just an overcharged OOC game.
Typical BYU fans - I have a bunch in my family. They know-it-all, including how
we as Ute fans "feel." Know that I am not a BYU hater, as my daughter
attends there, but I do resent their fan's attitude.As a Ute
fan, I love the relevancy the PAC 12 brings. I look forward each week to seeing
our conference rivals, different than I did beforehand with the WAC and Mtn
West. Trust me, we Ute fans realize that we aren't going to win the
conference every year, but we are relevant, and I'm glad to move on from
BYU.BYU, go do your independent thing, sit in the stands and on
these message boards and criticize the coach, players, Ute fans, and anyone else
who will listen, and continue to know-it-all your way to mid-major, second-tier
success.I'm confident that time will reveal that Utah's
strategy is sound.A "Utah Man Sir"
The Utes situation is they are now a little fish in a big pond. I think the
only team that is competitive is the womens gymnastics team and they draw crowds
that are similar to the basketball team.
I agree with Hollis, Fresno State gives the Ute fan little comfort. The feeling
is, that even with the hard times the Utes have been facing battling for respect
in the Pac 12, we Ute fans can take some solace knowing that the Utes, a very
least, beat-up the little neighbor kid from Provo. The hard knocks of this
stacked PAC 12 conference are softened a bit when the Utes, at very least, can
pick on our old rival just for fun. It makes us feel better. Chris Hill should
get us either a patsy game or a big name team from say, the Big 10 or SEC. If
not, then allow us to beat up the kid from the neighborhood.