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Published: Saturday, Dec. 15 2012 5:00 a.m. MST

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skeptic
Phoenix, AZ

Well presented explanation of a religious historical tradition that seems to offer comfort and hope to believers. Why is it not a big thing with Mormons.

donn
layton, UT

RE: Advent isn't biblical — the first plain references to it appear late in the sixth century?
The 2nd advent is the Christian hope, whether it be Pre-Millennial or at the Consumption(A-Millennial).

1Thess 4:17,” Then we who are alive and remain shall be ‘caught up’( L. Raptured) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall ‘Always be with the Lord.’

(1 Cor 16:22 NIV ) "Come, O Lord"; it is a prayer for the early return of Christ. The Aramaic words are divided differently (Maran-atha, "Our Lord has come"), it becomes a Creedal declaration and is supported by a Greek equivalent in Revelation 22:20 "Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.

Verdad
Orem, UT

Peterson pretty clearly wasn't saying that the idea of Christ's second coming isn't biblical. He was simply talking about "Advent" as a feature of the Christian liturgical calendar.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

"Well presented explanation of a religious historical tradition that seems to offer comfort and hope to believers. Why is it not a big thing with Mormons."
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Mormons are more Protestant than they realize or wish even to consider. The fallout from the 16th Century Reformation included abandonment of much of the liturgical calendar that included Christian holidays, feasts, and the seasons of Advent and Lent. These were deemed Paganized corruptions of Christianity for which there were no Biblical antecedents. Followers of Luther held to some of the traditions but Puritans attempted to cleanse the Church of all things Roman, including Christmas which in the New World was not celebrated in New England. That was part of religious heritage of Joseph Smith's ancestors.

This is the first time I've heard that Advent is the Latin equivalent of the Parousia.

A Scientist
Provo, UT

Advent indeed. Ancient myths about the "coming" of a savior predisposed several cultures to find fulfillment of those "prophecies" time and time again, in one charlatan after another, including Jesus of Nazareth as well as the following (not even a complete list):

Simon of Peraea
Athronges
Menahem ben Judah
Vespasian
Simon bar Kokhba
Moses of Crete
Serene
David Alroy
Nissim ben Abraham
Moses Botarel of Cisneros
David Reubeni
Sabbatai Zevi
Jacob Joseph Frank
Menachem Mendel Schneerson
Simon Magus
Dositheos the Samaritan
Tanchelm of Antwerp
Ann Lee
John Nichols Thom
Arnold Potter (Mormon, "Potter Christ")
Jacobina Mentz Maurer
William W. Davies (Mormon)
Cyrus Reed Teed
Father Divine (George Baker)
Sun Myung Moon
Charles Manson
Yahweh ben Yahweh (Hulon Mitchell, Jr.)
Iesu Matayoshi
Jung Myung Seok
Claude Vorilhon
Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda
Inri Cristo
Apollo Quiboloy
David Icke

Utah's very own Brian David Mitchell, "the One Mighty and Strong", based on a reading of the biblical book of Isaiah by Avraham Gileadi.

David Koresh (Vernon Wayne Howell)
Maria Devi Christos
Sergei Torop
David Shayler

... the gullible will keep looking for the advent, and will continue being fooled.

redhat
Fairfax Station, VA

Professors Peterson and Hamblin are doing a very good service to describe how other Christian faiths worship and /or prepare for the key events that are prescribed on their yearly liturgical calendar. As a non-Mormon who has very regular contact with members within my own family and within their wards, it is disconcerting how unconcerned most members are about how other traditions practice their faith. Is it because they believe those faith traditions are still in "deep apostasy" and it is important to simply "stay away". President Hinckley recognized much truth in other faiths-perhaps he was hinting that Mormons should be at least aware in how and why others worship as they do.

The Advent article was well written, clear and correctly described important aspects of what Advent is about. One important aspect they did not mention is the that the days of Advent "waiting" are times for increased personal faith in Christ, more focused prayer, fasting and repentance as well as almsgiving. While the activities of Advent are not "necessary for salvation" as the article puts it, it seems to me those activities are a part of any Christian's salvation journey to the Father

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