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Published: Friday, Dec. 14 2012 12:00 a.m. MST

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IJ
Hyrum, Ut

Marxist -

Re: Open Minded Mormon - "The guns are not the problem..." Right, guns don't kill people, people kill people (oh BTW, with guns).

BTW - more people are killed in the US with baseball bats or cars than guns. Look it up. I don't supopose you'd be in favor of banning bats or cars, would you?

Its not about guns people - its about them trying to get control us; just ask Mr. Hitler.

If people are going to kill they will kill; method doesn't matter.

My heart and prayer will be with those in Conn.

NedGrimley
Brigham City, UT

"The pharmaceutical companies have done much to help manage mental illness with medication."

And much to exacerbate the problem by pushing more and more medication on people.

"Ask your doctor if drugs will work for you!"

Claudio
Springville, Ut

Children and their mentors are dead. It did not occur, as suggested by DN Subscriber, because other people lacked guns, it did not occur, as suggested by Anti Bush-Obama, because politicians want to start taking guns away from others, and it was not, as far too many have suggested through social media, because the public education system is unsafe. It happened because a man decided to go to the school and kill others. That's the only cause to this tragedy.

There are millions of children in public schools. Realistically, a child is more likely to die at home as a result of parental neglect or parental abuse than by a gunman at school. That does not diminish the real tragedy of this event, but it should quiet the frivolous statements by those looking to stand on their political soapbox.

You want to stop this? Stop hating others, stop belittling others, stop bullying others, and stop using these comment boards to degrade and defame and figuratively shout at others for having different opinions. Learn to be civil, learn to be tolerant, learn to love one another; something we all should remember during this Christmas season.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

When these kinds of horrible crimes happen, I wish the media would have a policy of not showing the perpetrator's picture, perhaps not even revealing his name. The only pictures that should be shown are those of the victims. Sick, desperate, immature people who commit these types of crimes crave notoriety. Why grant his wishes?

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Is simply declaring that more guns will make situatios like these the answer, or do we need to be looking in other directions for the solution?

ClarkHippo
Tooele, UT

@Ford DeTreese

The gun issue is so emotionally charged, it is difficult to have a logical discussion about it, no matter what side you're speaking to. But having said that, I am willing to listen to any logical argument about how we can make guns less of a problem.

Between the shootings this year in Colorado, Oregon and now Connecticut, along with numerous other gun related murders, we've got to do something.

activ2004
Clearfield, UT

I am going back a few years or perhaps centuries when evil people used stones to kill people. A time when there was not even the thought of "semi-automatic" weapons. I am sure a few progressive political leaders, intellectual thinkers, media propagandists would have loved to have had semi-automatic rock slings to conquer and divide there subjects.

This is all about control and power which in the words of the current political quasi-leader "it is simply a case of workplace violence".

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@DN Subscriber 2
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(NOTE: In Utah, law abiding people with concealed carry permits are allowed to carry concealed self defense guns in schools. Criminals and crazies should know that...)"

Yeah, that'll do you a whole lot of good against a suicidal maniac with a bulletproof vest...

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

A few facts people need to be aware of if you want to have a rational discussion on the matter:

1. Mass attacks, including school attacks, have always happened. The first one in the U.S. happened in 1796.
2. The deadliest school attack in U.S. history occurred in Michigan almost 100 years ago.
3. Contrary to what the Deseret News is reporting, this is NOT the 2nd-deadliest school attack in U.S. history. This is 3rd or 4th (depending on what numbers you used).
4. The number of school attacks, as a percentage of the U.S. population, hasn't changed in 200 years. You're just hearing about it more now because the country has grown (more schools now) and we have 24/7 news.
5. As the population continues to grow, you can expect to see school shootings continue to grow proportionally.

BYR
Woods Cross, UT

We have got to find a way. And arguing over gun control will not solve this. We have to find a way to reach the hearts of our children before they grow up as killers.

BYU Track Star
Los Angeles, CA

The shooter took out his Mom, who was a teacher at the school, during the rampage

[Updated at 3:09 p.m. ET] The suspect's mother was shot and killed at the school, according to source close to the investigation. She was a teacher there.

And we now know that Ryan Lanza, the suspected gunman, was 24.

[Updated at 3:01 p.m. ET] The principal and guidance counselor at Sandy Hook Elementary School were both killed during the shooting, according to a witness that spoke to CNN.

Manny
Saint George, UT

If banning guns from society would actually make us safer, maybe we should think about outlawing Heroin and Meth from our society. Oh wait, we did make these drugs illegal a long, long time ago. That must be why these drugs can be found in anytown USA and in ALL of our schools. So I guess it would be different if we made guns illegal to own. I'm sure there wouldn't be any guns to found for people to use then. Yea right.

This is still a very tragic event that a troubled mind decided to use guns to kill people. I just don't want those of us who are law abiding guns owners made to feel guilty or responsible for the actions of these crazy people.

BYR
Woods Cross, UT

Looking at the photos, I cannot help to think of the 18 sets of parents who are crying alone right now.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Can you spot the difference between the U.S. and China news today?

"BEIJING -- A knife-wielding man injured 22 children and one adult outside a primary school in central China as students were arriving for classes Friday, police said, the latest in a series of periodic rampage attacks at Chinese schools and kindergartens."

"A teacher's son clad in black and carrying two handguns rampaged through a Connecticut elementary school Friday, killing 18 small children and seven adults, including his mother, in the nation’s second-worst school massacre, law enforcement officials said."

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@activ2004
You're the lunatic side who wants everyone to have guns. You're the side of the psychopaths who support no restrictions at all. You're the ones who cause the US to have homicide rates 5-20 times that of Canada, Spain, Germany, England, even after adjusting for population. Your "rights" kill other people and they deserve to be well regulated, just as the amendment calls for.

rogerdpack
Orem, UT

My condolences to these poor people.

LVIS
Salt Lake City, UT

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT
Quote: Re: Open Minded Mormon - "The guns are not the problem..." Right, guns don't kill people, people kill people (oh BTW, with guns). Close quote.

Glad you understand that guns don't kill people. Cars don't either. Nor baseball bats. Nor explosives. Nor hammers. Nor drugs. Nor...
Well, you get the idea.

Guns don't teach violence. People teach violence. That, 'marxist' is the problem at its core.

It is the culture WE live in. Not any other country. We live in a society that glorifies shooting via Hollywood, video games, etc. You want to change the culture? Change mass media. And change the family.

As a young man growing up in the sixties, we often carried rifles in gun racks to school. We even road the city bus with our rifles to go the shooting range in the basement of Hayward HS in California. Guess how many school shootings there were? None. In the intervening years, it is not that guns have become the problem--a lack of morals in society has become the problem. But, you go ahead and continue thinking that the solution is simply 'ban guns'. Indeed.

Fred Vader
Oklahoma City, OK

@Ford DeTreese: And yet, in 2009, in the city of Winnenden, Germany (near Stuttgart) a gunman with a Beretta went into a school and killed 16 people. Perhaps the German police should use a few more bullets per year.

Gun arguments aside...lots of praise should be given to those teachers who were fast thinking and got the majority of those kids to safety until the police arrived.

John Galt
Salt Lake City, UT

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT
@DN Subscriber 2
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"(NOTE: In Utah, law abiding people with concealed carry permits are allowed to carry concealed self defense guns in schools. Criminals and crazies should know that...)"

Yeah, that'll do you a whole lot of good against a suicidal maniac with a bulletproof vest..."

Then ban bulletproof vests.

Lagomorph
Salt Lake City, UT

Liberal Ted: "Clubs and knives kill more people than guns each year."
IJ: "more people are killed in the US with baseball bats or cars than guns. Look it up."

Please provide sources for your claims. I did look it up and found something completely different.

FBI statistics published online by the Criminal Justice Information Services Division at the Uniform Crime Reports page (Table 20, Murder by state, by types of weapons):

2010:
Total murders: 12,996
Total by firearms: 8,775 (68%)
Total by knives, other cutting instruments: 1,704
Total other weapons: 1,772
Total by hands, fists, etc.: 745

2011:
Total murders: 12,664
Total by firearms: 8,583 (68%)
Total by knives, other cutting instruments: 1,694
Total other weapons: 1,659
Total by hands, fists, etc.: 728

Firearms account for twice the murders of all other weapons combined.

Please explain to me how this member of a well regulated militia exercising his uninfringed right to bear arms is helping to secure the freedom of a free state by slaughtering children. Perhaps he saw a budding socialist or government tyrant in one of their faces.

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