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  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 20, 2012 9:55 a.m.

    Two For Flinching:

    "What do you think Utah and BYU's record be if they switched schedules?"

    Phil Steele just recently released his 2012 Final SOS ratings. Utah's was #40. The Y's was #76. With a #76 SOS, the cougars could only muster 7-wins. The Y also LOST to the Utes; demonstrating they're not yet up to our level. In addition, vs. common opponents, the beat Wash. St. by fewer points, and lost to Ore. St. by more. Essentially, their only advantage was a flukey 3-pt win at LES vs. USU.

    And YES, it WAS flukish. Just look at their common opponents vs. Utah St...

    They went 2-2 vs. Utah, SJSU, Idaho, and NMSU, whereas USU went 4-0. USU also outscored those opponents by 99-pts, whereas the Y outscored them by 66. Edge: USU.

    So if a 7-5 record is all they could muster vs. a schedule nearly twice as easy as the U's, and they couldn't beat the U, and apart from one flukish win over State, couldn't perform at their big brother's level, it stands to reason that had they played Utah's schedule, they'd have won no more than 4. Possibly 3.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 17, 2012 2:15 p.m.

    @ DownUnder

    No, I feel fine actually, but thanks for asking. Get over myself? What in the world is that supposed to mean? Utah doesn't need BYU, or vice versa. I guess I'd be bitter too, if I live in Pulman. LOL

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 1:13 p.m.

    @Duckhunter

    It was you that said "overwhelmingly so". I never said that in regard to any sport. I'd simply say Utah has the upper hand in football right now just as BYU has the upper hand in basketball ... neither is overwhelming.
    But I'm with you 100% in almost all other sports, this is exactly why the U is now building new facilities and doing all they can to get those sports up and competing at a better level. Let's be honest, the U never had the funding that BYU had to dump into these other programs ... until now. So while it's going to be an uphill battle competing in the Pac-12, I believe we'll see Utah faring very well against the rest of the country in these other sports in the not so distant future.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 11:32 a.m.

    @ Down Under

    What do you think Utah and BYU's record be if they switched schedules?

  • Down under Pullman, WA
    Dec. 17, 2012 9:31 a.m.

    Spokane Ute,
    Feeling a little bitter today? Get over yourself. BYU does not need Utah. They prefer Notre Dame and the likes. Ejnoy the bowl season. BYU has been down for a couple of years but still get a bowl. Utah is supposed to be this great PAC 10.2 powerhouse and yet they sit at home. HUH! What is Utah's powerhouse Sagarin rating? I can't hear you!!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Dec. 17, 2012 7:06 a.m.

    Qwest Rejected

    "In the modern BCS era Utah has built a good name for themselves..."

    ... and tarnished and sullied it in two miserable seasons of 'big boy' football.

    1) Losing to Colorado and 4-5 in their conference debut.
    2) Losing to a WAC team (USU) and going 3-6 in their conference. (from an arrogant BCS conference Ute point of view)

    And now the Ute arrogance continues even in their first non-post season in years.

    "The (Ute) beatings will continue until morale (and humility) improves."

    Congrats to the USU Aggies (THE WAC team) for their great season and winning the Idaho Famous Potato Bowl !!!

  • JD-Dad RIVERTON, UT
    Dec. 16, 2012 8:37 p.m.

    Thought Michigan replaced BYU?

    As to all the BYU whiners. I prefer a good Malbec. Could you all whine more like an Argentinian? And can someone please pass the cheese and crackers.

  • Qwest Perfected Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 16, 2012 8:34 p.m.

    @duckhunter

    I didn't realize we were now talking about all athletic teams between the two schools now. Kind of a lame comparison since there are a handful of sports that Utah doesn't participate in like men's volleyball and soccer but if that makes you feel better about school I guess go with it.

    I do find it ironic that you don't like to talk about certain programs body of work. For example, in the last seven years of byu's dominance in men's basketball, they only have what 4 NCAA tournament victories? That is nothing to brag about. You also talk about the football teams 10 win seasons and top 25 finishes. Again when you look closer and realize that a number of those wins are against pathetic teams its just not that impressive. The cougs do have a national championship, but 1984 was a very long time ago in the world of college football.

    In the modern BCS era Utah has built a good name for themselves and the whole school is now seeing the benefit with the big conference money starting to come in. The future on the hill is bright.

    Go Utes!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 16, 2012 3:54 p.m.

    @motorbike

    Yes all sports and yes overwhelming. Of course if you are going to claim utah getting close to BYU in a basketball game, "at the Marriott Center no less" proves that those two programs are somehow close then you cannot in any way claim utah football superiority. Or does a 3 point game at res somehow show us something different than a 3 point win a the MC?

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    Dec. 16, 2012 2:51 p.m.

    From a college football fan's perspective (not some of the trolls I've seen here) it is inexcusable to not play the BYU/Utah game but instead play Fresno. Fresno isn't a bad team, but I thought the reason Utah couldn't be bothered with the rivalry game is because they had other commitments with the Big 10. There is no good way to spin this. Shame on Chris Hill and the University of Utah. If there was an opportunity to keep the rivalry going, you should have made it happen. Absolutely weak.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 16, 2012 2:26 p.m.

    I think we can all agree, by the posts on this tread, that BYU fans are taking the rivalry "break" too hard.

    I find it ironic that BYU fans are calling us cowards while they refuse to play Utah State home-and-home.

    Even with Fresno the 2014 Schedule is brutal (most likely 6 ranked teams):

    * Pac-12 road games: Michigan, Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon State, Stanford, UCLA
    * Pac-12 home games: Idaho State, Fresno, Arizona, Oregon, USC, Washington State

    Go UTES!!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 16, 2012 12:44 p.m.

    @Duckhunter

    "I understand that in athletics right now BYU has the upperhand, overwhelmingly so, and it makes it hard for utah "fans" to make decent retorts, but they still try. You guys just need to quit whining and have fun with how it goes BOTH directions."

    At least you're starting to admit that the comments go both directions on these threads ... and I completely agree, there are always those on each side that are a little too blinded by their school colors.

    As for BYU having the overwhelming upperhand ... I can only surmise you're talking about ALL sports. If that's the case then I don't think Ute fans can argue with you, being that the Utes have major improvements to make in their smaller athletic programs outside of gymnastics, skiing and maybe swimming and womens bball/volleyball.

    But if you're talking about football then you know we're all laughing at you ... we're all aware of the recent head to head numbers. Basketball ... sure I'll give you that based on the last 7 years, but we saw how close that was this year - at the marriott center no less. So overwhelming?? hmmm.

  • Lledrav West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 16, 2012 10:26 a.m.

    How long will Utah fans say, it doesnt matter how bad we are, we are in the PAC 12, and youre not. Na na na na na, and thats all that matters? . Why do Ute fans ASSUME that BYU is jealous of their PAC membership? The PAC didnt invite BYU because it has an honor code and wont play on Sundays. However the chips fall, I'm proud of that. Proud to be peculiar for those reasons.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 16, 2012 9:34 a.m.

    @utah'95

    I don't think any of the BVYU fans posting here are "frustrated" by utah running away from the game, I think most of us are simply using it to mock you guys. Kinda like utah "fans" use whatever they can to mock BYU fans.

    You see that is how the game is played on these boards, and frankly between the fan bases. The big difference is that BYU fans don't whine about it, we just happily participate. utah "fans" are not only incredibly thin skinned but also extremely hypocrtical about how the comments on thes boards play out. Go ahead and read the BYU articles, and try to do it with a non crimson perspective. If it helps simply replace the "BYU" with "utah" in the comments by the utah "fans" and then tell us that this is not a fairly even back and forth.

    I understand that in athletics right now BYU has the upperhand, overwhelmingly so, and it makes it hard for utah "fans" to make decent retorts, but they still try.

    You guys just need to quit whining and have fun with how it goes BOTH directions.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Dec. 16, 2012 5:52 a.m.

    TheSportsAuthority,

    In another Deseret News article just released, Randy Hollis writes:

    "In all seriousness, with the huge emotional drain and all the off-the-field, fan-generated baggage that the Utah-BYU rivalry brings nowadays, it's no wonder the Utes decided they'd rather take a breather from all that and face somebody else for a change."

    Utah no longer HAS to play BYU annually as an in conference rival. Why would they? Do you, and the other offended fans voicing their frustration above, "sound" like the kind of guys that would be fun to hang out with?

    Let's just see how the two years without the rivalry go. Maybe we'll like it.

    Good luck on Thursday.

  • Qwest Perfected Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 16, 2012 12:31 a.m.

    @sportsauthority

    Utah fans aren't spinning anything and you are naive to think any fan has anything to do with scheduling. The byu game was originally put on hold to have a home and home with Michigan.

    The hypocrisy down south never ceases to amaze me. It was the byu athletic department that downplayed carrying on the rivalry game when they announced their independence saying that they would consider it but that it wasn't their top priority. But now that a few years of filling the schedule with powerhouse programs like Idaho State and New Mexico State, the cougars realize they need Utah on their schedule to help thir strength of schedule.

    The rivalry will be back soon enough but try not to forget that your team has done the same thing to USU as well. The fact is Fresno is a good game for Utah mainly for recruiting purposes but they are also aligned with a conference so they are just as legitimate as byu if not even more so.

    Utah will have one of the best schedules in the country with home games with Michigan, Oregon and USC in 2014 having byu or not doesn't change it.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 15, 2012 11:52 p.m.

    @ thesportsauthority,

    Seeing as you are the authority, what's it like to lose 3 in a row, and 8 out of the last 11 to your rival? Whats it like to watch your rival go to two BCS bowls, while you go to the Taco Bowl, again, and again, and again.....?

    Just askin.........

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 15, 2012 11:49 p.m.

    @Motorbike

    You are spot on, amen Bro! Haven't we beat BYU the last year or two; on the grid iron?

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Dec. 15, 2012 9:56 p.m.

    Utah'95

    "Do I need to point out that it has become commonplace for the Utes to beat BYU, whether at RES or in Happy Valley?"

    Which is why it's all the more laughable that the Utes are running away from BYU to play Fresno State.

    Utah fans make themselves look ridiculous trying to spin this in any way other than the Utes are afraid of losing to BYU - just like the Utes are running away from the Aggies in football and basketball.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 15, 2012 7:49 p.m.

    sammyg & TheSportsAuthority ...

    I notice both of you had to run a different direction with your comments versus staying on topic. And yes, I do wish Utah was in a bowl game ... but at the expense of playing in a great conference and a tougher schedule?? Absolutely not. We know that doesn't bother Coug fans though, so no big deal, enjoy your bowl game.
    And yes sammyg, it's nice to see Utah basketball making their way back ... but was there something about that comment that was supposed to be an insult to me or Ute fans? Once again, you're side-stepping so fast that you're not making much sense.

  • Carson Provo, UT
    Dec. 15, 2012 6:48 p.m.

    It's the BYU fans that I can't stand...otherwise the game was ok!

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Dec. 15, 2012 5:56 p.m.

    Just the FAX,

    You said, "the truth that Utah simply isn't good enough to play two strong OOC opponents, and still qualify for a bowl."

    Do I need to point out that it has become commonplace for the Utes to beat BYU, whether at RES or in Happy Valley?

    The Utes did look like they were "in over their heads" in the Pac 12 this season, and it was frustrating to watch it. But do you REALLY believe that the Cougars would have fared any better had they played Utah's schedule?

    Let's talk again next December - after BYU has played Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Texas, Utah, Utah State, Boise State. You might have a different perspective.

  • Qwest Perfected Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 15, 2012 5:09 p.m.

    @sammy

    Sure all Utah fans wish our team would have won one more game and made it to a bowl game. Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

    Let me point something else out to you that should be obvious as well. The Utes have beaten your lousy cougar team for three years in a row now. You talk about Utah "scheduling down" with Fresno State and yet if they were to play your mighty cougars the odds are Fresno wins that game. I no it's hard to accept but byu hasn't had a good win all year. You got beat by San Jose State. You only qualified for a bowl game because you had a very weak schedule with Idaho State, New Mexico State and Hawaii.

    It is still a bowl game and yes I do wish my team had continued their streak of going to bowl games but maybe a little less pounding of your chest would be more appropriate when your team just wasn't that good this year.

    Go Utes!

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    Dec. 15, 2012 4:57 p.m.

    To the majority of the whinny fans posting on this article, I have a question for you.

    Back in high school, when you asked that cute girl to the prom, and she turned you down to go with someone she liked better; did you write letters to the school paper with insults about her decision?

    Pretty much the same thing here. The U vs. Y game will continue next year, take a 2 year break, and continue again. Quit complaining and get over yourself. Utah is free to schedule any teams they want and choose not to schedule the Y for 2 years. Deal with it.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Dec. 15, 2012 4:49 p.m.

    motorbike

    I've been to Utah's sports hall of fame, but I've never seen your SOS trophy. Where do they keep it?

    Sagarin Rating
    #34 BYU(7-5) bowl > #51 Utah(5-7) no bowl

    Your incessant excuse-making is laughable; it's time for Utah fans to just admit that the Utes are only the 3rd best team in the state.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Dec. 15, 2012 3:47 p.m.

    motorbike

    "... meaningless bowl game"... bitter words from a jealous 'I wanted my team in a bowl game too' Ute fan.

    It must be difficult to have watched that New Mexico Bowl today just wishing that your Utes were there instead of Arizona. I'm sure Arizona is pretty stoked about being there coming up with the win in the last 2 minutes.

    I bet you're watching USU about now, then next week you'll be watching BYU and also checking out to see who Jabari will be playing for.

    Tough Ute football season but like you said last week there's much to look forward to...

    "The message has been sent though, the best basketball school in the state is on it's way back!"

    LOL

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 15, 2012 3:30 p.m.

    You want to get real BYU fans? Laugh at Utah scheduling Fresno all you want, but they have a 40th ranked Sagarin rating which is almost identical to BYU. So essentially Utah is replacing BYU with another BYU, only Fresno resides in fertile recruiting ground.

    Want to get even more real? Utah beat BYU again this year ... when you look at SOS ratings and Sagarin ratings it's not hard to see that if BYU played as difficult of a schedule as Utah, they too would finish with a lower Sagarin rating and would definitely not be bowling.

    Utah SOS = 27 / Sagarin Rating = 51
    BYU SOS = 56 / Sagarin Rating = 34

    Your incessant whining is growing old and your over-inflated egos are laughable. As said before, feel free to laugh at missed bowl games or "scheduling down", when you've actually played a schedule as difficult as Utah's and in turn make it to a bowl. The silence would be deafening if every BYU football fan had to live by that rule!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 15, 2012 3:09 p.m.

    It's too funny reading comments from Utah obsessed Cougar fans. Guys, the day BYU plays as difficult of a schedule as Utah is now playing in the PAC 12 is the day we'll listen to what you have to say.
    Until then, be content with your meaningless bowl game that came due to wins over Hawaii, NMSU, Idaho, and Weber State.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 15, 2012 2:55 p.m.

    I couldn't care less about Utah playing BYU, but it is like USC dropping Notre Dame and scheduling Eastern Michigan. This is an in-state, traditional rivalry. There is a hidden agenda and it may be a yellow streak down Chris Hill's back or trying to settle an old score. Hill should go.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Dec. 15, 2012 1:48 p.m.

    nosaerfoecioveht

    LOL at how Utah fans continue to desperately spin Utah's cowardice.

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    Dec. 15, 2012 12:28 p.m.

    Happy about this addition to our non-conf schedule. A good mid-major program to compliment Michigan, who was a nice two-year upgrade from BYU.

    Love how upset some byu "fans" still are about, well, everything. But I guess they're a lot more desperate to try to prove something with the rivalry right now. Keep squawking ute-haters!

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    Dec. 15, 2012 11:07 a.m.

    Utah'95

    "Utah IS afraid to play BYU....Utah IS killing the rivalry.....everyone IS laughing at Utah,"

    After all of the chest beating about how "superior" the Utes had become because of nothing but a conference invitation, the truth that Utah simply isn't good enough to play two strong OOC opponents, and still qualify for a bowl, hurts.

    According to your own AD, Utah IS afraid to play two strong OOC opponents - BYU and Michigan - in the same season, because the Utes are afraid that they could lose both games and not qualify for a bowl.

    Of course, after this season, Hill may want to revise that plan to play NO strong OOC opponents.

    It's becoming increasingly clear that the Utes are in way over their heads in the PAC and four conference wins may be the best they can hope for, making winning at least two OOC games absolutely essential to Utah's bowl chance.

    The truth hurts, but there it is.

  • Stay the Course Salt Lake City, utah
    Dec. 15, 2012 9:51 a.m.

    54 IQ now that's funny

  • Stay the Course Salt Lake City, utah
    Dec. 15, 2012 9:45 a.m.

    all together now lets sing pat a cake pat a cake bakers man what a schedule of cupcukaes

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Dec. 15, 2012 5:56 a.m.

    I'll say it again - BYU fans, get over yourselves.

    All this talk of "Utah is afraid to play BYU....Utah is killing the rivalry.....everyone is laughing at Utah," just makes you sound petty and shrill. And those characteristics aren't congruent with what BYU as an institution stands for.

    Why are you so concerned with what Utah does and doesn't do? Does being offended, and publicly (or semi-publicly) venting your frustrations help you sleep at night?

    It never ceases to amaze me that despite being beaten 8 of the last 11 times, BYU fans try to peddle that the Utes are "afraid" to play the Cougars.

    I am looking forward to seeing how NOT playing BYU in football goes. The rivalry is certainly heated, but I it seems to bring out the worst in both fan bases.

    As far as Fresno goes:

    The Bulldogs have a solid football program.

    The Valley is a talent-rich recruiting site.

    Maybe Utah didn't ask for a 2 for 1 deal.

    It is dangerous to think of the FSU games as automatic wins.

    Even if Fresno isn't particularly strong those two seasons, Utah's strength of schedule will rank very high.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Dec. 15, 2012 1:38 a.m.

    pebbles

    "Yes, I am so jealous of a third rate bowl game that nobody outside of Utah or San Diego cares about."

    Actually, you're beside yourself with jealousy that the only bowl the Utes are good enough to play in anymore is the couch potato bowl.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Dec. 14, 2012 11:36 p.m.

    Pebbles huh, at least I served. Yes, I am so jealous of a third rate bowl game that nobody outside of Utah or San Diego cares about. No surprising Y fans would be as third rate bowls is all they have ever known. Cheers.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 10:13 p.m.

    @pebbles

    "The only reason BYU was bowl eligible was because they played a WAC lite schedule"

    I'll try to keep that in mind while I'm in San Diego watching my team play in a bowl game. Meanwhile you'll be at home watching my team play in a bowl game, desperately hoping they lose, and only wondering what it might be like to be watching your team play in a bowl game in San Diego.

    LOL!

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Dec. 14, 2012 8:08 p.m.

    Justmythoughts, regarding the losing season, too bad BYU fans have to live vicariously through teams that can actually beat Utah. The only reason BYU was bowl eligible was because they played a WAC lite schedule (Hawaii, Idaho, New Mexico State etc.).

  • Justmythoughts Provo, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 5:44 p.m.

    All the Ute fans I have talked to.....and they have been really annoying these past few years....hate this. I give them credit for that. No matter how Utah wants to spin this....it makes them look weak. I usually cheer for both teams....BYU and Utah...but this year I wanted Utah to lose every game they played. It was nice to see them have a losing season because of their arrogance.

  • golfrUte SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 4:59 p.m.

    Chris Hill just lost all credibility in my book.

    All Ute fans i know want the rivalry game to continue. This is garbage.

  • Cougar Passion Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 4:37 p.m.

    I'm not quite sure why some of my fellow fans make a big deal about this. As Uteanymous accurately pointed out, the reason Utah dropped BYU was they were concerned about playing them the same year they played Michigan. It doesn't take an intelligent person to understand that means they are concerned about the potential for losing to both. If not for the BYU coaching staff's dreadful handling of the QB situation this year, BYU would have easily won. Fresno State is a decent school, certainly, but you would have to like Utah's chances against them more than against a rival. Given the stated rationale for dropping BYU, I think this move makes plenty of sense.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 4:24 p.m.

    Allotabaloney

    The delusion on the hill continues to go viral.

    Now we have 'bored' Ute fans that are leaving the fold... would rather watch other teams outside the PAC12 and other bowl games.

    My question is this... what other option did U think you had this post season?

  • ATiredDude Sandy, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 4:11 p.m.

    @backpacn

    "Utah football is slowly sinking into the abyss while Utah fans are beating their chests in delusional arrogance.

    Sad!"

    And yet, we still beat you. Choice, isn't it?

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Dec. 14, 2012 3:44 p.m.

    WACpaddled

    "...why is BYU afraid to schedule Colorado?"

    Where on earth did you conjure up this bogus idea that BYU is "afraid" to schedule Colorado???

    BYU has won 3 of its last 4 games versus the Buffs including a bowl game in 1988 (20-17) and BYU's last visit to Boulder (41-20). The last time BYU lost to Colorado was 1947 (7-9) in Boulder, loooong before most of the PARENTS of most of the posters on this blog were even born.

    Fans of a program that was so inept that it was only able to win TWO conference titles in 38 years would be wise to stop disparaging the conference.

    It simply makes you look foolish.

    btw, why are the Utes "afraid" to schedule the YMCA? The Utes are 1-7 versus the Village People.

  • AlottaBallatas Centerville, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 3:37 p.m.

    There's no sport in playing BYU anymore. If BYU wins, they're (rightly so) better. If Utah wins, the same old tired posters (Daffy aka Duckhunter & Kenny aka Sammy G) claim BYU gave the game away. Blah, blah, blah . . .

    The rivalry, because of the fans (me included), is a bore. It's more fun to root for every PAC-12 team's out of conference and bowl games. Something neither fan base of BYU/Utah is capable of.

    The King is dead! Long live the King!

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Dec. 14, 2012 2:56 p.m.

    CougFaninTX
    Frisco, TX
    BYU moving away from WAC teams. Utah moving towards them. At least if U beat USU and Fresno St, U can claim the WAC Championship. Although, beating USU might be a tall order.

    ____________

    BYU can claim the WAC title! Well almost.
    BYU should move away from playing San Jose St. BYU is 6-10 all time against the Spartans.
    And why is BYU afraid to schedule Colorado? BYU is 3-8-1 all time against them.
    If BYU moves away from playing WAC type teams, how do they expect to become bowl eligible? The past few years have proven they can't beat better teams.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 14, 2012 2:43 p.m.

    navel vet

    Don't kid yourself.

    Hill himself announced at the time he scheduled Michigan and dropped BYU, that he didn't think the Utes were good enough to play both BYU and Michigan OOC in the same year. Fresno State is the "B" team in Hill's scheduling plan - a solid but beatable team - unlike Michigan and BYU, whom Hill considers "A" teams - strong teams that could very likely beat the Utes. The "C" team will be another Montana, Northern Colorado, or Weber State, a warm up, automatic win for the Utes.

    With the very real possibility of the Utes suffering at least four or five conference losses every year, Hill is simply giving the Utes a reasonable chance to get the two OOC wins necessary to keep the Utes bowl eligible.

    While the big boys of the PAC 10.2 are scheduling up to qualify for the playoffs, the little boys of the conference are scheduling down to qualify for a bowl.

    A hard as that is for the "mighty" Utes to accept, that's reality.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 14, 2012 2:28 p.m.

    54-IQ

    "Beating USU is much more difficult than beating BYU as has been proven."

    Which of course explains why the Utes are dropping USU completely and running away from BYU for a couple of years, so the Utes can play a WAC team that has only had one 10-win season in the last 20 years.

    "USU doesn't quit when they get behind."

    Remind us again how many times the MUSS rushed the field this year before the Utes could finally claim victory over a team that supposedly quits when they get behind.

    Regardless of how U spin it, EVERYBODY knows that the Utes scheduled down in order to give themselves a chance to be bowl eligible in 2014 and 2015. It would be hysterical if every Utah fan's worst nightmare occurs and the Bulldogs actually have a decent team in 2014 and 2015, upsetting the Utes and dooming the Utes to another couple of bowl-less seasons.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 14, 2012 2:17 p.m.

    Whatsnu:

    "NOBODY, and I mean, NOBODY, not living under that crimson-colored bubble on the hill, is buying that Utah dropped BYU to schedule Fresno State..."

    From what I've been reading, it looks more like is the Indy-WACey fanbase that is claiming Utah dropped them for FSU. FSU was just barely added to our schedule. You guys were dismissed way back when we scheduled Michigan. It's the Wolverines who replaced you. FSU more likely replaced USU.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 2:01 p.m.

    Beating USU is much more difficult than beating BYU as has been proven.

    Plus, USU doesn't quit when they get behind.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 1:53 p.m.

    From my point of view, and I have no insight into Dr. Hill's decisions, I think it's great that we're not playing BYU.

    We've dominated in recent years AND in the overall series. nothing to prove

    While we still have to put up with their snivelly, small-minded fans and their "we'd have beat you had we played", we won't have to listen to their excuses after they lose.

    Nah, it's fun shutting up their obnoxious fans with victory on the field, but after a while, it just gets tiresome to hear their snivelling. It's good to give it a rest.

    Now if Utah can just steal a defensive backs coach from USU since Utah obviously has a need there and USU's coaches just won position coach of the year honors, they should be able to shore up their pathetic defensive backfield performance of last season and compete a little better on the field against the quality teams in the conference.

    Seeing as how Utah has fallen so far and is becoming the state's laughing stock, as so many Y posters said, why couldn't BYU beat them?

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Dec. 14, 2012 1:38 p.m.

    BYU moving away from WAC teams. Utah moving towards them. At least if U beat USU and Fresno St, U can claim the WAC Championship. Although, beating USU might be a tall order.

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 12:56 p.m.

    Actions speak louder than words my delusional little Utah friends.

    NOBODY, and I mean, NOBODY, not living under that crimson-colored bubble on the hill, is buying that Utah dropped BYU to schedule Fresno State because the Bulldogs would "improve" Utah's schedule.

    You can spin that crock until you're blue in the face, but EVERYBODY knows that you're just blowing smoke. YOU don't even believe the stuff you're shoveling!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 14, 2012 12:40 p.m.

    Sportsfan

    Were you laughing after the game, the last 3 time Utah played BYU?
    Naw, crying and making excuses.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 14, 2012 12:19 p.m.

    Jealous of the U:

    "...BYU fans are laughing at Utah's cowardice in running away from BYU."

    What a frantic and emotional thing to say. Didn't Utah win 8 of our last 11 games by an average margin of victory of 14-pts? Why would a Pac-12 team with a .727 winning average vs. our WACish and mid-midmajorey, ankle-biting little brother have anything to fear? Don't forget that our recruiting classes have been improving, whilst yours have been backsliding. Can ANY Indy-WACey fan explain this?

    uteBusters:

    LOL at your desperate attempt to portray Murfreesboro as a recruiting hotbed. Ever heard of Central East H.S.? Look 'em up. Fresno alone has 3 4-star recruits, plus one 3-star, who's the 25th-ranked dual-threat QB in the country (by way of comparison, Taysom Hill was ranked #30). Murfreesboro has none. CA has 2 5-star athletes. TN has 1. CA has 37 4-star athletes. TN has 8. TN has 2 recruits listed among their Top-25 recruits. CA has 0 in their Top-100.

    Bottom line: CA recruiting > TN recruiting.

    Playing FSU > playing the Y.

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 12:19 p.m.

    @jealous U

    "BYU fans aren't crying about not being able to play Utah, BYU fans are laughing at Utah's cowardice in running away from BYU."

    yeah since utah has lost to byu the last 8 out of 11 times right?? hahahahah your name fits you perfect

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 12:17 p.m.

    @utebusters

    "a game that will be watched by thousands of fans and potential recruits in the East."

    hahahahahahaha NO it wont be watched by thousands or any recruits hahahahaha you byu fans are just makin yourselves look less and less educated as the days go by. hahahaha you scheduled MIDDLE TENNESSEE STATE hahahahah and you're tryin to sell us on "they went 8-4 this year, not much different than fresno state" hahaha im done thats all that needs to be said.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 12:12 p.m.

    I can't stop laughing at all the responses from jealous cougar fans ... this is absolutely hilarious.

    It's funny to see you all try to spin Fresno State as a bad/weak opponent when they are in reality the perfect mid-major opponent to schedule.

    Good program - Check
    California (recruiting) - Check
    History of beating ranked BCS opponents (national respect factor) - Check

    This accomplishes everything Utah needed this slot on our schedule to accomplish AND made every cougar fan mad in the process.

    Memo to Ducky, anytime you get a game against a quality opponent in the state of California there's no reason for a 2-for-1 ... recruiting, recruiting, recruiting. Location, location, location. Fresno > Provo ... by miles and miles.

  • sportsfanforlife salt lake city, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 12:11 p.m.

    @rockwell

    espn rankings

    #32 fresno state

    byu UNRANKED

    quit using sagarin rankings to make your team look good. nobody and i mean NOBODY goes by sagarin rankings except byu fans.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 11:04 a.m.

    Everyone is scared to play BYU because we win most of our games aganist BCS schools.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 11:04 a.m.

    Dr. Hill is killing Utah football just like he killed Utah basketball.

    The most exciting thing about college football, tradition, is dead on the hill.

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 10:51 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "Not as funny as seeing the usual suspects cry about not being able to play Utah."

    BYU fans aren't crying about not being able to play Utah, BYU fans are laughing at Utah's cowardice in running away from BYU.

  • LindonMan Lindon, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 10:51 a.m.

    The Utah AD must have seen 'FSU' and thought he was scheduling Florida State, but then realized it was Fresno State hahahaha.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 10:50 a.m.

    Nice spin naval. You gonna tell us all about your trip to fresno? I have to admit as bad as fresno is it is still a thousand times more desirable a destination than el paso. Things are really looking up in the road trip department for you. LOL!

    Hey pebbles do you need any cheese with that whine? LOL!

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 10:42 a.m.

    Unranked. Losing record. No bowl. Conference bottom dweller. Running away from their rival.

    Utah football is slowly sinking into the abyss while Utah fans are beating their chests in delusional arrogance.

    Sad!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 14, 2012 10:41 a.m.

    Yeah why would Utah schedule a team in Cali as opposed to Provo? Everyone knows that Provo is a hot bed for recruiting. Must be sad being on the outside looking in

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 14, 2012 10:40 a.m.

    @ Snack PAC

    Not as funny as seeing the usual suspects cry about not being able to play Utah. I guess it's tough when no one want you.

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 10:31 a.m.

    Naval Vet

    "While Utah will be cashing in on a recruiting trip to No. California, you'll be scrounging around Murfreesboro."

    Fresno is CENTRAL California, hardly a recruiting hotbed, while Murfreesboro is in the heart of SEC and ACC country, a game that will be watched by thousands of fans and potential recruits in the East.

    Middle Tennesee State was 8-4 this year, not much different than Fresno State 9-3.

    Besides, unlike our scared little sister on the hill, BYU to didn't schedule Middle Tennessee State to run away from playing Utah.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Dec. 14, 2012 10:17 a.m.

    This is too funny watching the usual suspects fall all over themselves trying to spin this as a positive. The Utes are becoming the laughing stock of the state and don't even realize it.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 10:10 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "Great scheduling by Utah. It appears a lot of people don't know about Fresno State."

    LOL!

    Spin cycle in full motion on the hill.

    Utah fans are only fooling themselves if they believe that back in July when Hill announced that Utah wouldn't be playing BYU in 2014 and 2015, that Fresno State, coming off a 4-9 season, was going to have a better record in 2012, than BYU, coming off a 10-3, Top 25 season.

    The truth is, no matter how our little friends on the hill try to spin this, Utah is only playing Fresno State instead of BYU because the Utes are afraid of losing to Michigan AND BYU and not qualifying for a bowl.

    Spin away Utah fans, but you only make yourself look more foolish by trying to justify this as anything other than a desperate attempt to lose to Michigan and still be bowl eligible.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 14, 2012 10:03 a.m.

    tooWACish&Mid-Majorey:

    "This is just too weird, even from the Utes, to see them dump BYU and pick up Fresno....I am splitting my sides laughing over this one."

    You're not "splitting [your] sides laughing over this". You're crying in your coffee. Utah had a choice. We could have scheduled the cougars. Holmoe crossing his fingers, and waiting for our call. We could have scheduled Tulsa. But we liked Fresno St. better, and I for one think it was a great choice. FSU was 9-3, and co-MWC champions, so they're a solid addition as far as SOS goes, and they're in Northern California, so it's also good from a recruiting standpoint. Well done Dr. Hill!

    And speaking of "side splitting" hilarity, while Utah will be playing out our series with Fresno St, YOU'LL be playing your YOURS with....

    ...Middle Tennessee??? Ha ha ha ha ha!

    While Utah will be cashing in on a recruiting trip to No. California, you'll be scrounging around Murfreesboro.

    And that reminds me...why didn't you insist on a 2 - 1 with the Blue Raiders? Wouldn't they agree to it?

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 14, 2012 9:56 a.m.

    The Utes don't need BYU; or there obnoxious fan base. The jealousy and envy is so sad. I guess that's how it goes when no conference wants your team. Just a Nomad, with no direction, future or hope. I love it! As soon as Gonzaga leaves the WCC, BYU will really be on the outside looking in. Maybe the WAC or Big Sky will take you in; or not.

    LOL!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 14, 2012 9:50 a.m.

    Our 2015 schedule looks great: no FCS opponents.

    And no whiney, ankle-biting little brother either.

    As for the other schedules: Boo for Weber St. and SUU, and ESPECIALLY Idaho St. I wish we would look to teams like Colorado St, UNLV, or Hawai'i if we feel we need a warm up game. Beating FCS teams proves nothing. Just last year, we routed No. Colorado 41-0, but that didn't help us identify what areas needed work. It just made us overconfident when heading up to Logan. And while UNCO would be a W, so too would have been CSU, UNLV, and UH. And at least Utah has some relationship with those aforementiond MWC teams. We used to be conference rivals. In fact, I believe CSU is our 4th most-played game behind USU, the Indy-WACers, and Wyoming.

    LOVE the addition of Fresno St. It sure beats that rumor I'd heard that we were talking about series with Tulsa. Utah will have a better recruiting opportunity in NorCal than Oklahoma. Or Provostan for that matter.

    Go Utes!

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 9:49 a.m.

    Fresno will give Utah a better game than BYU does. Atleast Fresno won't quit halfway through the third quarter.

    LOL

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 14, 2012 9:46 a.m.

    Great scheduling by Utah. It appears a lot of people don't know about Fresno State. Sorry BYU fans, you may need Utah, but the Utes certainly don't need BYU. BYU is on the outside looking in. Locked into a weak bowl, with no chance of joining a BCS conference. Karma!

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 9:05 a.m.

    WACpaddled by Dr. Hill

    U must be soooo excited to be the laughing stock of the state... the couch potato bowl just added cupcakes to the menu.

    LOL!

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 14, 2012 9:03 a.m.

    bwaaaaak, bwaak bwaak bwaak!!!

    Spewing OJ out of my nose reading Utah fans trying to spin Fresno State as an "improvement" over BYU.

    The joke is really on our little friends on the hill if they're buying that nonsense.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 9:02 a.m.

    I am certainly enjoying this development. LOL!

    Uh howie how come utah couldn't get a 2 for 1 with fresno? naval can you tell us why? Isn't utah in the pac12? Why would they take a 1 for 1 with a program like fresno?

    LOL!

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    Dec. 14, 2012 9:01 a.m.

    If I were a BYU fan I would take it as a big slight. Maybe the Utes wanted to play someone they don't beat with regularity like BYU. What's left to prove against the kittens., nothing. Oh well, BYU still has 2016 to still try to get a victory against their PAC 12 Big Brother. Go Utes.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Dec. 14, 2012 9:01 a.m.

    Get over yourselves, offended BYU fans. You have a solid football program, but there are other teams worth playing besides your beloved Cougars.

    BYU just finished a 7-5 season, and are currently ranked #34 by Sagarin. Fresno State finished the regular season 9-3, and are ranked #40.

    When playing the Cougars, Bulldogs, Aggies, and Wolverines in the next four seasons, the Utes will have to play well to avoid a loss in the out of conference portion of the season.

    Good luck in your bowl game, against a solid SDSU team - who isn't ranked as highly as Fresno State, by the way.....

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Dec. 14, 2012 8:58 a.m.

    2fer

    "Fresno is 9-3 and is a co-conf. champion, BYU is 7-5 and is the third best independent team....out of four."

    Disillusional spin at its finest:

    Sagarin Rankings
    #34 BYU
    #40 Fresno State

    During the Bronco Era - 2005 to present

    Top 25 Finishes
    BYU - 5
    FSU - 0

    10+ Win Seasons
    BYU - 5
    FSU - 0

    Bowl History
    BYU - 5-2
    FSU - 1-4

    Overall Record
    BYU - 73-29 (no losing seasons)
    FSU - 57-45 (including two 4-win losing seasons)

    It's absolutely ridiculous for Utah fans to argue that replacing BYU with Fresno State "improves" Utah's schedule.

    As Hill said last July, it's not fair to Utah to play Michigan and BYU in the same season... in other words, you're just not good enough to handle playing BYU and another good OOC opponent.

  • Go Utes! Springville, UT
    Dec. 14, 2012 6:35 a.m.

    Good game, Fresno is a solid program that is on the upswing. A really good early season test for the Utes.

  • 79Ute Orange County, CA
    Dec. 14, 2012 5:55 a.m.

    Third best independent team? Got objectivity?

    I'd much prefer a game with BYU; it's a compelling, nationally-recognized rivalry.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 11:09 p.m.

    Thank you Dr Hill.

    BYU doesn't deserve a PAC 12 game granted by Utah.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 10:57 p.m.

    Why haven't we heard from Chris B. about how the Utes are going to thrash fresno?

    This is just too weird, even from the Utes, to see them dump BYU and pick up Fresno. What a joke on everyone, Dr. Hill. Good job of scheduling, sir, not that it will make any difference to the outcome in the mighty PAC 12 for your team. I am splitting my sides laughing over this one. Maybe you could get New Mexico for 2016 if Nothern Colorado isn't available.

    Why didn't you insist on a 2 - 1 with Fresno? Wouldn't they agree to it?

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 10:54 p.m.

    Sammy

    Fresno is 9-3 and is a co-conf. champion, BYU is 7-5 and is the third best independent team....out of four.

    Who is scheduling down?

  • PAC 10.2 Doormat Springville, UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 10:50 p.m.

    Can we say... desperate to become bowl eligible?

    So funny.

  • byufan1993 Provo, , UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 10:42 p.m.

    Ridiculous

  • Dave S Holladay, UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 10:38 p.m.

    Fresno might give us more of a challenge than BYU has the last few years.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 10:33 p.m.

    Fresh Fresno cupcakes... LOL

    (chickens clucking in the background)

  • Fuzz Springville, UT
    Dec. 13, 2012 10:10 p.m.

    Are you kidding me?
    Home and Home with Fresno State but not BYU?