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Published: Thursday, Dec. 13 2012 12:00 a.m. MST

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one old man
Ogden, UT

Excellent letter and thoughts. Thank you.

Christian 24-7
Murray, UT

Great letter. Parents have the most influence, and need to own that. When they do, they teach their children to own their own behaviors, successes, and failures as well. No claiming the successes, and blaming the teacher, the youth minister, the neighbor, or society for the failures.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Nope, the government will take care of me from cradle to grave. I have no need to try to excel in anything, no need to work hard, no need to achieve. Obama is my hero, I shall not want! He maketh me to lie down in my government paid for housing development, he feedeth me with food stamps. He giveth me free healthcare and I shall not want. Obama is my support and my rod! Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of mean Republicans, I will not fear, for in Obama I trust.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

One of the biggest problems with any educational system is because of the scale of the task, largely all kids are treated the same. Its how the system works.

We have two boys. The oldest - very laid back, and took his education very much that way. Never put 100% forward. Played sports, did ok, but wasn't motivated by competition.

Second sone. Highly competitive. When he gets lower grades than his peers in class, which doesn't happen often, it makes him mad. In sports, he excels far beyond his skills.

Did my wife and I do much different between the two. Not much, but yes, they are different kids.

Why do I mention this. The educational system is built around a one size fits all model. It is left to the parents to try to get their kids to fit into how they are being taught. If those parents don't value education, or don't have the skills to help their kids cope in a system not setup for them, even the most loving parents will fail.... as will their kids.

Schools need to get smaller, more intimate, and allow parents to get more interconnected.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

I disagree with the letter writer.

We didn't go wrong when we started "handing out trophies" to everyone. Please.

We went wrong when parents valued the dollar more than raising our children. How many parents here in Utah both work to support their SUVs and 4 wheelers while the TV raises their kids? How many young people get married before really even dating or knowing their spouse which results in broken families? How many times do parents let their kids run rampant through churches, restaurants, and schools without any consequence? How often do parents try and buy their kids' affection through video games rather than being parents?

Here in Utah, we're notorious for not wanting to "hurt" their feeling and rely (and then later blame) our childrens' shortcomings on the teachers? When, in reality, parents are merely friends to their kids instead of parents?

The problem isn't with soccer trophies.

The problem is with parents being poor parents. You cannot and should not rely on your bishop, elementary school teacher, or TV to raise your children. Sell that SUV, live in a smaller home, actually date around, grow up, etc so you can raise your children.

one old man
Ogden, UT

So Mountainman finally let us know his real thoughts.

I kinda figured anyone who has enough time to sit around all day and type comments here has to be either retired or on the dole full time.

At last. The truth is known.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ One old man. Actually I do work. Its just that I am so excited that now I do not have to be responsible for my own life and there is no need for me to work anymore! Its always someone else fault from now on!

one old man
Ogden, UT

Maverick and Blue Devil -- thank you for some good comments filled with wisdom. You are both spot on.

wrz
Ogden, UT

@Mountanman:
"Nope, the government will take care of me from cradle to grave."

This is what you have to promise to get elected. Free cell phones, food stamps, housing, college tuition, amnesty, healthcare, etc. The Democrats have had this figured out for decades.

Republicans think you can run and be elected on concepts like self support, hard work, patriotism, love of country. No. Amature mentality. Romney goofed.

Alfred
Ogden, UT

@The Real Maverick:
"I disagree with the letter writer. The problem is with parents being poor parents."

I think that's what the letter writer is trying to say.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Congratulations, Mountain. But when you say, "Its always someone else fault from now on!" that's what you've been pointing out all the time. So what's new?

The only problem is that your finger is usually pointed in the wrong direction. If you'd turn the radio off and start studying what's really happening out there, I'm sure you would find a lot of blame on all sides and not just your blind side.

In fact, anyone who is capable to looking and thinking should understand that the fault is very widespread. Fault is shared by everyone who has some power. Sometimes they try to do what they think will be a good thing -- only to discover later that it wasn't. Sometimes the are motivated by greed. Sometimes circumstances get in the way.

But people who fail to do their homework to learn who is REALLY responsible are only adding to the problems we all face. You might do yourself -- and the rest of us -- a big favor if you'd make an effort to become fully informed and then post comments.

Christian 24-7
Murray, UT

Oh Old Man,

You lecture Mountanman on truth in posting? You are the one that posted that Obamaphones, as they are referred to by their recipients, are not paid for by the government or taxes, which is completely untrue. They are paid for by the Federal Universal Serv Fund fees on land lines and cell phones. It is a tax, that the federal government has saddled the phone companies with collection of.

You need to learn to check multiple sources to get a full and accurate picture of the truth before you post. Your beloved Politifact is biased and provides only half truths. Try reading more sources and more variety of sources. Don't just trust one book either. Even Christians read more than just the Bible.

Government is so sneaky. You need to be better informed so they don't fool you again.

Now that you know the truth are you ready to join the conservatives? We will welcome you. We are completely inclusive. We won't check your race, age, or gender, I promise. You just have to love the truth, love your fellow man, and love the USA.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

Mountainman, why don't spend you new found time then doing something constructive rather than spewing anger and hate so much. I don't think I have seen yet a positive comment, or a suggestion. Nope, it has always been Obama's fault. Seems actually you have been blaming Obama the whole time - which by its inverse means that you also hold the government responsible for everything.

Really, if you go outside, you'll find no one is keeping you from being successful. The country is filled with examples of people who have come from the lowest economic conditions, and succeeded. Many of the last centuries most wildly successful companies have been founded by non-college graduates. Dell, Microsoft, Oracle, Jet Blue......

Your future is your own. We are all dealt cards that we have to figure out how to win with. Some choose to play their hand, other choose to complain, and complain... and complain. No problem was ever fixed by hating and complaining it to death.

You got it all figured out.... mentor someone who hasn't figure it out it. But blaming Obama for every aspect of your life... does no one any good.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

WRZ - the free phones thing has been going on since the 1920's. Obama wasn't even born then.... Amnesty... last president to grant that was Reagan.... free healthcare .... another Reagan deal when he mandated all had to be served at the Emergency room door. Food Stamps - yes their use has grown... and is worrisome. But demands on the churches Bishops warehouse is also rising. And college tuition.... not everyone can get that. My son was denied because of my income. So lets stop the silly little tales that we are taken care of cradle to grave.

Ask the family in my ward whose father died of cancer, and is now loosing their house to medical cost driven bankruptcy, even though they had insurance. If we were taken care of like you describe, things like that would not happen.

But lets not disrupt the narrative in order to find real solutions to our educational challenges. This would ruin the victim party we all seem to enjoy so much.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ one old man. Please go to work, and work hard! We are going to need your taxes to support us. So much to redistribute so little time! Me, I am tired of working when there is no need to do it anymore! I am going to the unemployment office and get signed up for a free check! I hear Obama and the Democrats are talking about extending them, again! Can't wait for Obamacare to kick in! Whoop whoop!

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "UtahBlueDevil" actually you are wrong. The fees were originally meant to connect phone lines to farms and communities that were distant from the big cities. The customer still had to pay for their phone use. The phones were never free.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

You mean I get a free phone too? Wow! Now I am excited!

xscribe
Colorado Springs, CO

One has to believe that Mountanman is one lonely person with their attitude, and obviously very bitter. However, I wish they were true to their word and quit their job - they say they do work - and start living off the government to see just how pleasant that is. I'm sure that's what people who need government assistance are saying: Ah, I've dreamed of this my whole life, being so poor that I need government assistance.

By all means, Mountanman, give it a try!

xscribe
Colorado Springs, CO

Mountanman says: Me, I am tired of working when there is no need to do it anymore! I am going to the unemployment office and get signed up for a free check.

So, are you flat out lying here? If not, let us know how it works for you. If you are lying, all your credibility is lost.

Wonder
Provo, UT

Yes, Mountanman, please do quit your job and have a great time on welfare. I'd enjoy hearing a report from you after a year. You can tell us how cushy it was living on the equivalent of less than minimum wage. Fun!

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