Published: Tuesday, Dec. 11 2012 8:13 p.m. MST
"Obama's initial budget offer was a calculated insult, involving, by
some accounts, an actual spending increase. He has demanded unlimited
debt-ceiling increases — a constitutional innovation of Mohamed Morsi-like
ambition. And Obama has been in full, anti-Republican campaign mode around the
country, as if the election had never ended."There you go folks!
Obama's true ambitions have never been said better!
What the public is missing due to the pathetically poor job by journalists:Pres. Obama produced a fairly detailed budget, multi-paged proposal,
addressing revenue and budget cuts. The Republicans countered with
a 2 page proposal, including ONE SENTENCE regarding revenue and VERY FEW
DETAILS, even LESS DETAIL on budget cuts than Pres. Obama's proposal. Not
a serious or good faith effort by any measure. The House
Republicans, who are supposed to write legislation are waiting for Obama to do
their job for them. They are trying to avoid taking a political hit from what
they want, expecting Obama to craft a bill cutting Medicare so they can then
say, we didn't cut Medicare, Pres. Obama did. They expect Pres. Obama to
negotiate with himself. What a joke.
@Truthseeker: Republicans know it's a waste of time to write detailed
proposals without some idea of what a deal would look like. They passed a budget
that the Senate and President refused to even consider. So what's wrong
with negotiating a deal before putting stuff on paper that will go nowhere?Republicans need to offer comprehensive tax and entitlement reform. We
can't have one without the other. Obama seems to care only about political
victories with no regard for doing the right thing for the country. If he was as
smart as people say he is he would take on entitlement reform thus doing the
right thing, AND blame it on the Republicans, thus acheiving political victory.
@Truthseeker said, "Pres. Obama produced a fairly detailed budget,
multi-paged proposal, addressing revenue, and budget cuts."And
that budget went absolutely nowhere in either the House or the Senate. Even the
Democrats would not vote for it.
re:InvisibleHand" So what's wrong with negotiating a deal before
putting stuff on paper?"Is that what Obama should've done
too? Made some vague recommendations? "Obama’s plan is
detailed and complex. To raise revenues, families making over $250,000 a year
would pay more, but he also has an extensive list of tax breaks he would
eliminate. They can be arcane. For example: • Repeal
last-in, first-out (LIFO) method of accounting for inventories •
Determine the foreign tax credit on a pooling basis • Repeal
lower-of-cost-or-market inventory accounting method • Eliminate
special treatment of carried interest On the spending side, the
president proposes $580 billion in cuts to a number of programs that range from
agricultural subsidies to rental assistance to airport construction. In 2011,
Obama proposed some $320 billion in health program cuts. The federal government
would pay less to drug makers and nursing homes. In the long run, many states
would shoulder a larger share of Medicaid costs."(politifact)House Republicans need to do their job. Put forth a serious proposal with
some specificity. Obama did. Obama compromised with Republicans in 2010,
extended all tax cuts, going against his party.
re:VSTObama's budget was never voted on. Senate Republican
Jeff Sessions took Obama's 2000 page budget, turned it into a 56 page bill,
a mere shell (without details or specifics) and put it up for a vote. Senate Democrat Kent Conrad of So. Dakota explained the vote:“I think it’s readily apparent there is a big difference between
the president’s budget, which I hold in my hands, and what Sen. Sessions
has presented as being the president’s budget. This is not the
president’s budget. So, of course, we’re not going to support it.
It’s not what the president proposed.”To sum it up:
another example of pure political games by the GOP.
@Truthseeker,No – I am NOT talking about the "shell"
budgets put up by the Republicans for "phony" votes in both the House
and the Senate.I am talking about the Democrats voting to bring
forward Obama's ACTUAL 2013 Budget for consideration in EITHER the House or
the Senate. The Democrats in both Chambers have refused to do so.Hence, as I stated, Obama's 2013 budget has gone absolutely nowhere in
either the House or the Senate. Not one Democrat is willing to vote to bring it
forward for consideration in Committee or directly to the floor of the House or
Senate.As a Truthseeker, you need to work on that a little more.
BO WANTS us to go over the cliff, he WANTS the talks to fail. He sees that as
the easiest way for the dems to retake the house. Dems in control of the house
is more important to him than the good of the country.Truthseeker,Medicaid was mandated by congress; why should the states pay
for it? the SCOTUS said medicaid expansion was something the states could opt
out of, regardless of what politomislead says.
Obama has made essentially only one non-negotiable point of a slightly higher
tax rate for the rich. Every thing else is on the table. All the Republicans can
do is talk about how to stick it to everyone else and how to protect the rich. I
don't know how much more obvious you can get about who they serve, and it
isn't the vast majority of the people or the country.
"He has demanded unlimited debt-ceiling increases — a constitutional
innovation of Mohamed Morsi-like ambition."Yes Mountanman.
Unlimited debt-ceiling increases. How ambitious. Were you aware
that this idea was introduced in the Senate last year by Mitch McConnell?As far as budget talks, Yes, the dems want to raise the tax rates.They have put out specifics on what they want.Conversely, the GOP
wants spending cuts. However, what are those cuts? We have no idea.Just
like during the presidential election process, the GOP has yet to define where
they want to make cuts.Cmon GOP. Where are your plans. What cuts
do you propose. Lets SEE IT. NEGOTIATE.
Joe, there you go again, playing loose with the facts. $800 billion in spending
cuts and closing tax loopholes have been on the negotiation table from the
Republicans for weeks. Obama rejected them. Can you name ONE entitlement
spending cut Obama has offered?
"Joe, there you go again, playing loose with the facts. $800 billion in
spending cuts and closing tax loopholes have been on the negotiation table from
the Republicans for weeks."My apologies, if what you say are
true.But, even with a quick look, I cannot find SPECIFICALLY, what
spending cuts and loopholes the GOP is proposing to cut.I am not
talking about someone saying "we propose spending cuts of $XXX billion
dollars"I am talking about specifics. "we propose cutting
Medicare by XX dollars. We will close (Specific) tax loophole which will raise
XX dollars.If that plan is there, can you point me to it?
The proposal from the Republicans was to NEGOTIATE where those cuts would
actually happen and which loopholes would be closed. Obama has refused to
negotiate anything on spending cuts. Won't even discuss it! Negotiations
only happen when two or more people give and take on a specific proposal(s) or
idea(s). So far nothing on cuts from Obama, only tax increases. Draw your own
conclusions.Merry Christmas to you and yours!
Hey JoeBlow, by his words, your friend Mountanman confirms that the Republicans
have no plan. Liek McConnell doing a filibuster on his own bill, the GOP is
just playing games. And you know what? Polls show that the American public is
onto their games. The only question is will they remember in the Fall of 2014.
@ Esquire. Suggestion for you; read Mr. Gerson's letter. Disagree with him
(or myself) if you will but get the facts first.
Esquire,a SLIGHTLY higher tax rate? he is talking a 460 basis point
increase which is a 13% increase in taxes, since 4.6 is 13% of 35. If 13% is only a slight increase, what do you consider a large increase? How
much is enough to satisfy libs? How much of other people's
money do you want to confiscate? Are you EVER satisfied? When you
kill the horse that pulls the cart will you still say he is not doing his share?
‘Michael Gerson: Is President Obama bargaining in good faith, or does he
want a failure?’============ "I Hope HE fails!
There, I said it!" ~ Republican radio hack, Rush Limbaugh"The single most important thing we [the GOP] want to achieve is for
President Obama to be a one-term president." ~ GOP Senate Minority Leader,
Mitch McConnell. Seems to me that the only one's hoping and
praying for America's failure seem to be promonant Republicans.
"How much of other people's money do you want to confiscate?"As much as it takes to run the programs that our leaders enact.Want to cut taxes? Great. So do I. First cut the spending that eats up the
taxes.Want to go to war? Raise taxes or cut spending to pay for
it.I see the GOP constantly cutting tax rates. Have you seen them
cut spending?You know, when they control the govt. What spending do
they cut when they are in power to do it?
Republican are only serving the wealthy, and grover's ego. What is
pathetic is the same few neocon rabid radio fans repeating the same empty
rhetoric day after day.Bumper sticker solutions to complex problems for
simpletons is not going to save the nation from the republican plan to
create a plutocracy, then we can all eat cake, from China.
I'm not saying it's never happened, but will someone enlighten me when
the last time was that the Deseret News published an op-ed by someone even
slightly left of center. It's always Gergen or Krauthammer or someone on
varying levels of the right. Might be nice to see a bit of diversity of thought
somewhere besides in the comments section.
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