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Published: Monday, Dec. 10 2012 12:00 a.m. MST

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Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

What a ridiculous letter!

Conservatives have no problem endorsing all kinds of special tax breaks and subsidies that only the wealthy may use, and they think nothing of denying "equal protection" under the law to gays, women and minorities, but let the subject of the progressive income tax come up and they suddenly think _they_ are the champions of fairness. What a joke!

Ok, how about this; millionaires should pay the same tax rates on all of their income as I do on all of my income. That would at least be a step in the right direction.

Emajor
Ogden, UT

Blaine, it's more troubling to me that the wealth gap in the nation grows for no valid or morally justifiable reason and that a portion of the wealthy and their sympathizers somehow feel that being taxed at 39% instead of 35% is somehow a moral outrage. That being rich-minus-4% is somehow oppressive.

And if you want to invoke equal protection, you should be outraged that investment dividends are taxed at ~15% while your own salary can be taxed at over twice that. Particularly since dividend income is enjoyed in far greater proportion by the wealthy.

For a supposedly Christian nation, we sure have a lot of people holding a remarkable reverence for mammon.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"If the rich were allowed to vote on the proposition, I would have no problem with it."

The rich have one vote like everyone else. Additionally, they have money to buy advertising to affect the vote.

In the last 20+ years, the rich have been the only real beneficiary of a very large wealth migration.

Why is that?

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "How can government single out the rich?"

Easy -- just use its enormous power. Aided, of course by thoughtless rubes, muddle-headed true believers, and disingenuous political charlatans.

It's been done to finance nearly all socialist takeovers, from Russia, to Nazi Germany, to China, to Korea, to Cuba, to Zimbabwe -- and now here.

The Obama regime doesn't want to soak the rich to save the country -- there's just not enough money amongst the rich to make any real difference to America's finances. What the regime really wants is to send the message that ALL wealth belongs to a bloated, unaccountable government, that can take it from anyone, any time it desires to do so.

Suing will do no good. The leftist oligarchs are practically immune to suit on tax issues. The only real solution is for people to wake up and take back their Nation and freedoms by their votes.

If it's not already too late.

Curmudgeon
Salt Lake City, UT

If the rich could sue for denial of equal protection for having to pay a higher tax rate than those in lower income brackets, why couldn't those who pay a higher effective tax rate than Mitt Romney's 13%, or the 47 percenters 0%, sue under the same theory? If one follows the author's misplaced logic, no one should have to pay any tax if even one person is exempt.

And don't you think the rich would have already tried this tactic if it held any water?

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

We have had progressive tax rates for decades. I don't think the equal protection clause applies.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

We've all voted AGAINST taxing the rich at a higher rate. The election results are in. The House is controlled by Republicans, the party that said no to higher taxes. The House is controlled by Republicans, the party that told Obama that his days of tax and spend are over. House is controlled by Republicans, the party that originates all spending bills.

Obama has no more authority to write legislation than the dog catcher. Writing legislation is the responsibility of Congress. The House, the peoples' representatives, are given the special duty to write all legislation regarding our taxation.

The people have spoken. Let Obama have his tantrums. Let him waste his time and our money flying from one end of this nation to another telling us that we were fools to elect Republicans to guard the public treasury. He can rant. He can rave. But, he can't write legislation.

George
Bronx, NY

The rich that pay a half the tax rare I do? Why should the government (we)t favor the rich over the middle class?

ECR
Burke, VA

Taxation without representation? I'm sorry, but whether you are rich or you are poor you have a vote in the House of Representatives just like everyone else. Oh wait! That doesn't actually apply to the 600,000 residents of the District of Columbia. They pay far more than the average American in federal taxes per capita (ie. $34K for DC residents vs. $5.6K for Utah residents) and yet they actually have no representation in the House or the Senate, just one delegate who gets to argue all she wants but actually has no vote.

If the letter writer wants to take up a cause that is unfair to specific Americans, that would be the one to carry forward, not the tax rates for the poor multi-millionaires in the world.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

To Mr. Richards..so the conversation is over because the House "originates" spending bills. Interesting. You might want to tell Mr. Boehner that because it appears he's wasting a whole lot of time negotiating with the President. The President can't "originate" legislation so Mr. Boehner what are you doing..you have all the power. Or???

one old man
Ogden, UT

I'm retired, living on Social Security and a retirement pension. Yet my effective tax rate was a little more than Mitt's 13%.

But Mitt's a "job creator" so I guess that's okay.

There are a lot of people in China and India who are grateful.

George
Bronx, NY

@mike Richards
As gas been posited out to you numerous times already the congress is responsible for developing the budget but it must also be approved by the senate and the president, who are co and equal branches not just a rubber stamp.

Makid
Kearns, UT

Mike Richards:

You might have forgotten but Democrats received 53% of all votes for House seats nation wide yet they didn't win 53% of all House seats due to Republican Legislatures across the country disenfranchising voters and trying to keep themselves in power.

Now, had the voters given more votes to Republicans you would have a point but since that isn't what happened, your point is moot.

If Republicans don't find a way to compromise, they will see further losses in 2014. They are already scared about 2016 with the thought of Hillary running for President. They have already admitted that they don't have anyone that has a chance of beating her.

So if Republicans don't or won't change, it will be 16 years of straight Democratic control of the Executive branch and increasing Democratic control in the Senate and a return to Democratic control of the House.

But don't worry, the rich 2% will protect them. Oh, wait, even they want their taxes raised. Ugh...

Curmudgeon
Salt Lake City, UT

Mike Richards:
The people have indeed spoken through their representatives, and if the Republicans in the House of Representatives refuse to raise taxes on the rich, as you corectly say they can do, then the previous legislative action of the House will take effect, we will fall off the fiscal cliff, and tax rates on everybody, including the rich, including you, will go up. Is that what you want in order to prove your point that the Republicans control the House? Methinks you would cut off your nose to spite your face.

JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

Blue: "Ok, how about this; millionaires should pay the same tax rates on all of their income as I do on all of my income. That would at least be a step in the right direction."

Are you willing to go the other way as well? It is very easy to single out some rich guy like Mitt Romney who has a low tax rate because all his income is capital gains and make a blanket statement that all rich people pay that same low rate.

The truth is that the vast majority of "Rich people" (over $250K income according to Obama's definition) pay a way higher tax rate than anyone in the middle class. So if you are willing to have your taxes jacked up to their level, then welcome to the club.

For many years, my effective federal income tax rate was over 28%. (Total FIT divided by gross income on my tax form filed April 15)

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

So help me out here conservatives who blindly follow Grover Norquist...

This letter writer admits he's NOT part of the 1-2% and wishes he could be, [I'm also guessing he's not a business or econmic professional] and yet here he is defending their low tax rate.

Meanwhile --
Warren Beffett, Bill Gates as a score of the TRULY 1%, who ARE business geniuses, who ARE economic professionals, and THEY are the one's out championing that their tax rates SHOULD go up?!

I fail to see what conservatives see --
but I don't listen to their AM radio greedy Millionaire hacks jobs, either...

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Mike Richards --

Do yourself a favor,

Just type, "I hate Obama."
or
"I hate all Democrats".

Nobody will dog-pile on you for that.
You have your opinions.

But,
They will however jump all over you for all your off-base rantings, make-believe rationalizations, delusional world of reality, and twisted and stretching justifications for it.

BTW - How many more years until you apply for Social Security and Medicare?
It is voluntary, you aren't "forced" to accept it.
You might feel "entitled" to it however...

Christian 24-7
Murray, UT

The whole fight over higher taxes rates for the rich is just a huge distraction, which so many of you are taking hook, line, and sinker.

If you want the rich to pay more in taxes, tax capital gains at income tax rates, and get rid of loopholes. Come on, think people. The rate is 35% but the rich are paying 13%. It is the 13% that bugs you, so fix that. Still can't wrap your head around it? Think of it as a 22% tax hike on the wealthy.

Does that make you feel better? Good, now let's get real.

This president is deceiving the masses. He talks about the rates on the rich fixing the nations economy. It won't. It is just a distraction to keep you from noticing that the job market has not recovered 3 years after he declared the recession over. He has no idea how to make the economy move forward and include all the available workers. So he blames the rich for his (Obama's) inability to get people working,earning their living, and dignity.

He is an expert at persuading gullible masses. (Community Organizer/Brainwasher)

He has done a great job on you!

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

This letter would be hilarious if it were not so tragic. The point Blaine misses is not that the tax system is out of balance (even though we're experiencing the least progressive tax rates in decades). The point is that the corporate system we have allowed to evolve very efficiently funnels wealth to the top, and in numerous ways: through excessive CEO compensation, through rewarding speculation rather than production, through debt (which is the most effective means of transferring wealth from the haves to the have nots), through productivity improvements (which enable a business to produce the same amount of product with fewer workers), and through shipping jobs off the Third World countries.

This is only the tip of the iceberg. The fruits of this system are shouted at us ever couple of months with new statistics showing how the wealth gap is widening. The only solution acceptable to at least one political party is a progressive tax code, which is inefficient at best. To actually attack the root of the problem, we would need to require businesses to share a proportional piece of profit with those who actually create it (the productive workers).

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Whoa!

So now the rich aren't being represented in government? HUH? You have got to be kidding me! If anything, they're the ONLY ones being represented! What about me? Joe Sixpack? Who represents me?

And now a small tax increase on the rich is suddenly illegal and deserves litigation? HUH????!!!! I would encourage the letter writer to look up the tax rates on the rich during the 50s... Or the 70s... Or when Saint Reagan was President... Or when Clinton was President. Or compare our current tax rates to those among other industrialized states. You might come away surprised with how well things are here.

The letter writer along with the rich feel so entitled to the lowest tax rates that they react negatively to even a small tax increase to pay off 2 wars! Amazing! Where is your patriotism?

I have got an idea so that the "rich" won't be "punished."

No more bailouts.
No more ag or oil subsidies.
Cut the defense budget in half.
No more foreign aid.
All oil drilled and/or refined here must be sold here, NO MORE EXPORTING!!!
Single-payer Health care system

There ya have it!

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