Crissy B,I know you like the attention. Must be dark and lonely in your
mom's basement. This was clearly the worst game (hands down) of the season
for BYU and some how they still beqt Utah. What does that say about the Utes.
It will be a long season for Utah. At least they can watch their bowl game as a
consolation....Oh wait, Sorry
Losing Rogers and Collingsworth (both of whom would likely be starting) and
Harrison is really going to hurt. Starting Sharp allows teams to double team
Davies as Sharp is not an offensive threat. Zylstra is a liability unless
he's shooting well and that rarely happens, allowing teams to double team
Haws off Zylstra. Bottom line, the talent level is as low as it's been in
five years.Since Y defenders have trouble staying in front of
anyone, they'll have to rely on playing zone for the most part and hope
teams don't shoot well. And they can't break down teams off the
dribble so will have trouble scoring when they don't shoot well from
distance.I don't think they'll win the conference and it
will be a real struggle to get in the tournament.
"Chris BSalt Lake City, UTJust as we ended your season in
football very early on"Lost or confused much? Utah's
football season is over. BYU's is not.
@2longforgotten&irreleventwinsHow about we use the alltime
basketball record. BYU leads it.
@two for flinching"Utah is still less talented, but is clearly
closing the gap."It would be almost impossible to not close the
gap, that is how wide it has been. That said I do think utah has improved but
still do not think they are even in the same stratosphere as BYU despite the
close game Saturday. I do believe it was much more BYU struggling than utah
"closing the gap". BYU has some problems this year they need to resolve
and I think that they will. But just like in football teams are judged based on
the entire season not just by how they played one single game. For utah it is
hard to say what they are because outside of BYU they haven't played a good
team yet. I think we'll know better once they are into their conference
season and their joke of a pre season schedule is finished.For BYU
their conference schedule will tell us about them as well. Honestly it might be
another 6 years before utah beats BYU.
Wooooowww. I have to say I am impressed by these Runnin' Utes. But....as
usual....BYU pulled it out....
I will never understand why BYU fans are incapable of giving credit where credit
is due. It's always we played bad, or the officials were biased, or it was
a fluke, or "we gave the game away."Here are facts from the
game:Utah is still less talented, but is clearly closing the gap.
Especially with the bigs.Both teams have solid coaches. Coach K had
a better plan coming into the game, but Rose made the right adjustments in the
second half.Neither team played particularly well. It was hard
fought, physical, and emotional. Exactly what a rivalry game should be. Utah went ice cold and BYU got hot when it mattered most.Hopefully the Utes will get some revenge next year.
This BYU team doesn't look as good as last year, yet.
First time I've felt good about Ute Basketball in years. The team seem well
coached and disciplined. I expected a blow-out by the Cougs. Exciting game.
Seeing the childish reaction from the supposedly more righteous fans is almost
better than if Utah had won the game. In my opinion, personal slander is much
more condemning than being a "potty-mouth." If Max was right, then I
guess Elders Holland and Uchtdorf were wrong.
@stgYou should just be content with your moral victory. You know how
this proves utah has "improved" and how there is no gap in talent other
than Davies and Haws. Pretty amazing to me how a loss can get a group of
"fans" so excited. I understand this is the 1st time in a loooooong time
utah has even gotten this game much closer than a 20 point final margin but last
time I checked it is still another loss, 7 in a row and 11 out of 12. LOL!
StGtoSLC"Ohhhh, thuggish! I'll file that one in the
"class" section!"The "class" section, of course,
being that little pocket of potty-mouthed red-clad fans seated in the upper
corner of the MC. The obscene language of their fans fit in well with the
obscene thuggishness of their team.
Ohhhh, thuggish! I'll file that one in the "class" section!
@stgWell it didn't appear to me that utah had any answer for
Carlino. And no these teams are not close in talent outside of Haws and Davies,
BYU is still vastly superior. My frustration is that BYU allowed the thuggish
play of utah to affect them in the manner that it did. Ultimately superior
talent won out but to be a really good team BYU needs to respond more quickly
when bad teams attempt to use physical and slowdown tactics to throw them off of
their game. @uteologyutah didn't "own"
anything. BYU just played badly. What should frustrate you is that BYU only
needed 7 minutes of mediocre play, instead of the terrible way they played up to
that point, to beat utah. utah played as good as they possibly could play, and
still lost. As far as your "young guys" missing shots is concerned, well
I'm pretty sure dubois is a sr. and he was the one missing all of the
shots. Regardless it was still 7 wins in a row and 11 out of the
last 12. I think it is something like 14 out of 16 as well. Dominance.
"Mugging of Davis and Haws" seems to be the theme from BYU fans.A sure tell sign that Utah is headed in the right direction is when your
rival complains you played "too physical" with them, on their home court
no less. Cheer up BYU fans, your team won. The team
picked to finish last in the PAC-12 owned BYU for most of the game on the road.
The only reason we lost was because our young guys missed 8 straight shots down
the stretch. Mark it down as "nerves" for young, new players still
learning to play as a team.
Duckhunter, you certainly seem to know what assertions I would make, don't
you? I can admit when a team flat out comes to play stronger than my team, it
happened A LOT last year, and happened over the last seven minutes of the game
last night, I'm not the one being a baby about that. Are you disappointed
in BYU that it affected them, or are you more disappointed that BYU was just
exposed as being largely a two man show with Haws and Davies? It's not any
different than what they've been all season, it was just put on display
when those two had trouble getting into the action. Yes, there is a large talent
discrepancy between those two and all healthy players on Utah's roster, but
after that, the teams proved to be pretty even, dare I say with the edge going
to Utah. I'm going to be you for a second and make the assertion that
that's what you're actually disappointed in.
@stgYou would not be making the same assertion if this was the
opposite. Bad teams that have to play that way to be in games always make that
same claim. I was not impressed with utah, I was extremely disappointed in BYU
for allowing thate sort of stuff to affect them in the manner that it did. I
like physical basketball but that doesn't change the fact that all it was
on utah's part was a tactic to try and offset a talent deficiency. It
almost worked but the better team still won. Congratulations on the moral
Duckhunter, when they start calling Haws for a push off on every single one of
his shots with a man guarding him, I would be fine with them calling fouls for
your interpretation of "mugging." That "physical stuff" is
called playing defense, this is a basketball game, not a tickle fight.
Is Chris just comic relief to further embarrass Utah?
I went to the game and I was pretty disappointed with the way BYU played.
I'll give utah some credit as I thought they played good defense, although
they were definately allowed to get away with an absolute mugging of Haws which
was ridiculous, but the story here is much more how bad BYU is playing. There is
really no excuse for this not being a 15 point+ blowout. BYU needs to get it
straightened out soon and hopefully Carlino's game is a start. It does say
something about BYU that they could play so poorly and still manage to win but
any praise there is tempered by the quality of the team they were playing. utah
still appeared to me to be lacking in talent, especially offensively, and are
one of those teams that tries to stay in games by playing good defense, and
hoping to get away with a lot of physical stuff, and keeping scores low. Not
particularly fun to watch. It was really a black mark on BYU that they allowed
that sort of tactic to work.
Cougies had worst game in years and utes played great, really? Don't know
what game you were watching but the utes didn't play great. Had they played
great they win that game by 30! They didn't shoot it well and turned the
ball over too much. They lost to a bad team on the road in a game they should
have easily won. For those of you commenting on the refs. Re-watch
the game 10 of the worst calls I have ever seen go the cougies way. @just the fax...To say Haws didn't get any calls is the most laughable
thing I have read in months on these boards. You would have thought it was Kobe
out there get within in 3 inches of the guy and he went too the line. The Utes
completley shut him down and if it wasn't for several gift calls the guy
probably has 3-5 points on the night. We lose by 3 so you do the math. Late in
2nd utes up 3 ball out of bounds clearly off BYU ball given to BYU. Up 4 we get
put back foul called on washburn for standing there lol!
Way to pull it out, Cougs! Yet another BYU win in bball. BTW, can
some of you reasonable Utes please somehow get Chris B to stop posting? He
really is a a laughing-stock!
CougFaninTX, if you're referring to me, you might notice I never said
"the Utes are back," but are coming back. No team coming off a losing
record with 10 or more new players is going to be "back" after one or
two decent games.SSmith, you hold a loose interpretation of
giddiness. I for one am not pleased with having given up a 12 point lead, albeit
to a pretty good team in a very loud environment. But judging the defense the
team played and, at times, ability to find and make good shots, there's
plenty reason for optimism.
"...can you finally admit that Ute basketball is coming back?"If by "coming back" you mean "improved", then I can buy
that.That said, any Utah fan who thinks that a team that is still
losing home games to Sacramento State is "back", is obviously setting
the "back" bar pretty low.It's fine for Utah fans to
get excited about the closeness of this game, but lets not forget that not too
long ago, it wasn't uncommon for the decided underdog in a particular year
to keep the game close or even pull an occasional upset.
I checked out this thread to see what Chris B had to say. Wasn't
I do think it's interesting how many Utes think their team is back after an
unexpected win over Boise State (a teamm that will finish in the middle of the
MWC) and a close lose (moral victory) to the Cougars. During the Boylen era, a
season wit less than 20 wins was a disappointment. Now five wins over patsies,
one unexpected win and a close loss mean the Utes are back? When you get
invited to the dance, you will be back. Until then, U should stick with
improving. But again, better than I thought . . . if that makes U
feel better.And for the commenters who continue to talk about PAC12
greatness and ride the conference coat tails - Colorado got KOed by Kansas,
Washington losses to a middling MWC Nevada team, and USC gets thumped by
Minnesota. Looks like PAC12 is having "another" down year.
Congratulations to both teams on an entertaining and hard-fought game.
Can't say as much for some of our typically "classy" friends from
the hill and their potty mouths, especially the guy repeatedly screaming
"f" bombs at BYU fans after the game.It was nice to see
Carlino finally find his shot in crunch time.-------Looking forward to the BYU-Utah State game on February 19th.
SoonerUteDavies and Haws were mugged by Utah players all night;
Haws, in particular, was taken down TWICE just within the first couple of
minutes of the game, and was constantly being held and shoved throughout the
game with not a single call from the officials.Bottom line: the
better team one, despite the poor officiating.
@ StGtoSLC"Good job, cougars, and can you finally admit that Ute
basketball is coming back?"Well....I don't know. maybe we
should all wait until the season is over to assess that question, or we'll
see how the Utes perform against the Cougars next year.
To SoonerUte:You have to be a complete Ute homer to believe the
referees favored the Cougs down the stretch. I will grant you that the refs had
as bad of a night as the two teams, but the calls down the stretch were anything
BUT in the Cougs favor. Yes, a couple of bad calls went the Cougs way. But
there were at least as many bad calls the other way. Take off your red colored
glasses and you will see that no one, not even the refs, had a good night.
It's just sad when so many Utes are giddy about a loss. Where's the
passion for winning only and not settling for the moral victory?
Chris B | 8:17 p.m. Dec. 8, 2012Game over Utes win!------Final Score | 9:00 p.m. Dec. 8, 2012BYU 61 Utah
58Chrissy obviously hasn't learned the fundamental rule of
sports journalism:It's not over 'til it's over.Congratulations Cougars!7 straight wins; 11 of the last 12!
@chrisbGood programs like B.Y.U. can shoot terrible at home and still find
a way to win. I guess your predicted win over B.Y.U. will be put on hold for
I imagine there are some "fans" in Lexington, Chapel Hill, Durham, etc.
that vent their ill will on the 'net at halftime of a game. But, nobody
pays any attention to them! Geez, all you doubters, naysayers,
negative types, why not just keep your inaccurate, ill advised, immature
comments to yourself. Let the coaches and players do their best.
Phew that was close. This was a game that the Y needed. Now, if Carlino can
continue to make improvements. If Carlino, Haws and Davies can get it going at
the same time, the Cougs may make some noise. It'll be interesting to see
how good both of these teams (BYU and Utah) really are. Give it a month and we
should have a pretty good idea. As far as the comment of Dave Rose getting
out-coached. I'm not sure how you get out-coached and win the game.Where's Chris B.?
Clean sweep for the BYU men's and women's basketball teams over Utah,
with the Lady Cougars handing the Lady Utes their first lost.
StGtoSLC - "cougars, and can you finally admit Utes basketball is coming
back?"Conditional yes - the Utes are definitely better than last
year's team. I predicted about a 10 win season, but after seeing U play
tonight, I'll raise that to about 14. Probably still below 500 with a very
easy non-conference schedule. The key will be next year. Will Utah
unexpectedly lose top talent after the season? If not, Bachynski and Loveridge
are two solid players to build a team around for the next few years. If they
stick around, and U pick up a couple more good recruits, U should improve again
next year.But BYU's recruiting for the next two years is the
best in the Dave Rose era. This could be the weakest BYU team for the next 6 or
Scandrus, the Utes did NOT play out of their minds. Wednesday night vs Boise was
playing out of their minds, tonight was playing tough, but with too much nerves
when we needed a big shot. It also didn't help that our leading rebounder
was beat on the boards all night. But just like a great workout tears muscle
fibers to build them back bigger and stronger, once the team recovers from the
loss, it will have built them up more. Congrats on the win and good luck on the
season, the wcc is week enough you likely won't need it aside from gonzaga
(who were nearly beat by Wazzu).
Chris BThe Utes are vastly improved; but unfortunately for U, even
with a great game by the Utes and a sub-par performance by the Cougars, BYU was
still good enough to pull out another win - 61-58!BYU owns U in
basketball!11 of the last 12129-125 overallIt is nice to see the Utes improving; they won't be such a drag on
BYU's RPI from now on.
We let Utah think they had a chance and then we destroyed them. Even playing our
worst game in years we had enough to beat Utah.Can't wait for
the NCAA tournament.
Nice moral victory for the utes. Hey, take what you can get.
Great game by both sides! I am more than encouraged with the Utes play, and the
comeback is happening faster than anyone thought! Cougers, you guys won fair
and square. Way to fight back and get the win at home. Utah, way to show that
you're not content to be a cellar dweller. We are on the rise it seems,
and hopefully the progress keeps coming! Go Utes!
How could Rose let Bachynski and Harrison get away? Bachynski wanted to come to
BYU, and Rose didn't offer. Sharp is improving at the 4, but thinking
about Bachynski at the 5 and Davies at the 4 would have been a terrific duo.And we really need someone like Harrison - great defense, slashing to
the basket. He would have taken a lot of pressure off Haws.Two
missed opportunities, thinking about what could've been. I try to stay
true blue, but I'm struggling with what someone saw in offering
scholarships a couple of this years recruits over Bachynski and Harrison.Ah well, next years recruiting class is top notch.
Funny how all of the sudden a few ute "fans" are back on the bandwagon.
Will Utah get more than 2,000 people to a home game now? Enjoy the
moral "victory" as you only lost to one of BYU's worst teams in the
last 10 years. You are definitely headed in the right direction.I expect to see the Pac 12 banners flying high!
With more experience/seasoning, Bachynski is going to be a good one. Same with
Loveridge. Whether BYU isn't good as usual, or whether Utah is better than
most thought isn't relevant to me. It was just good to watch a competitive
basketball game between the two programs again. The players enjoyed it, too. The
passion on both sides was evident. Here's to hoping this is a sign the Utes
are on the rise.
Credit byu for doing what utah couldn't do in the final stretch: make key
shots. A coug fan mentioned it, and I agree with him that Larry outcoached rose,
but the coaches don't handle the ball, and byu is a little better in
overall roster talent and experience. Good game, no "beating ourselves"
excuses. Good job, cougars, and can you finally admit Utes basketball is coming
BYU played their worst game of the year and still won! The basketball IQ on
this team is breathtakingly low, Cusick thinks he is a play maker, Austin cannot
finish around the rim and Zylstra was chucking up 3's like the ball is on
fire. This team is maddening to watch, and YET, they still beat Utah who played
out of their minds.
BYU still won shooting an abysmal 31 percent from the field. Too bad we played
down to our opponent but good job cougars! Chris can now go into hibernation
until the spring. It's going to be a long winter.
Oh, and I wanted to mention - you stuck your foot in your mouth early
didn't you, Chris B. Next time wait until the final buzzer that way you
won't embarrass yourself
BYU played its worst game of the year and still beat the little boys up north. I
feel real bad for Chris B because I know how much he had his heart set on
getting a "w" over the mighty Cougars. Sleep tight Chrissy.
That was a great game to watch. Not quite the finish that I would have liked to
see but the Utes sure did look good. Very hostile environment and for the most
part they kept their composure. They are definitely improving and I really
couldn't be happier with the job that Coach K is doing up on the hill.
Tough loss for the Utes but give the Cougars credit they really fought back and
won the game. Great game all around. Looking forward to next week!!! Good luck
on your future schedule BYU.Go Utes!!!
A 3 point win over Utah should count as a loss.
7 - 0 for Rose over the Utes. To quote some crimson football fans, we OWN Utah.
Great game for the Utes.Great surprise for Cougar fans.Interesting
calls to get BYU back into the game.
That was cute how the Utah fans thought they were going to win the game.
chris b comes through for the cougs again. Thank you chris, U are the best
prediction of Cougar success. As soon as I saw your post prophesying a Ute win,
I knew the Cougs would crawl back in it, and they did. I'll keep marking
it down! LolThis is the weakest BYU team in six or seven years.
Utes figured out how to contain Davies and Haws, and without these two the Cougs
are average at best.I give the Utes a lot of credit. I didn't
think they would improve this much, this fast. U still have a lot to work on on
the offensive side, but your defense was outstanding.
I cannot believe Utah has turned things around so quickly...or BYU isn't so
good?We have to be ahead of schedule, to Coach KO's plan!!! 10
new players, playing away, in a hostile house...unbelievable...Utah's staff is amazing...we should beat Washington, WAZZU, USC,
Colorado, OR ST, and one of the Bay Area school at home... Pick up a few on the
road and win 14 games this year!!!Hoping
Wow! Great game. I was on the edge of my seat all night long. These Utes are
fun to watch. I think the program is on the comeback. Congrats to
the Cougars on a nice win.
When will Chris B ever tire of being absolutely, 100% wrong? I suppose he/she
believes that negative attention is better than no attention at all and here
I've played into that. Oh well, simple things for simple minds.
Can you please direct me to where I find information on the 'other
conferences'? Is this just a modified attempt to pretend that the BCS is
all that in basketball too? Well, it isn't because the rolls reverse and
the Big East is typically a pretty strong basketball conference. Stronger than
the Pac stronger than the 12, stronger than the 10, stronger than the SEC,
stronger than all other than perhaps the ACC. But those are your top two. So,
just take your crow pie and enjoy the final adaptation to reality that there is
no such thing as 'other conferences' in basketball.
Chris B., I'll give you credit for knowing how bad of a shooting team BYU
is. However, as you may have noticed the game is 40 minutes. BYU is not good
but they can still beat Utah when they shoot 31 percent from the field and 69
from the line. BYU was also out coached tonight. They better figure something
out soon or they will not even finish in the top half of the WCC.
Sorry Chris B... U lose... again.Utes played a good game, better
than what I expected.Carlino finally pulled out of a slump just at
the right time.Congrats Cougars!
The Chris B curse strikes the Utes again!. Thanks Chris. You never fail to
come through for the Cougars!Go Cougars!
Smarter basketball leads to the win. 4-22 from three at one point in the 2nd
half. They finished 7-26 after making 3 of their last 4. They were much
smarter shots, coming with wide open looks after working the ball inside-out.Give credit to Utah for stifling Haws most of the game. They played
great defense in the first half. But BYU figured them out and finally got their
heads in it.
Great game Utes...One more brick in the wall...Thx Coack
Chris B... Just because your team is much improved doesn't give you license
to come to the basketball pages and troll us... Take your 5-7 football season
and 3 point loss for what the 7th time in a row and stick to your own boards
enjoying your big dose of CROW pie!
BYU pulls close. Gets a turn over, Carlino passes to a wide open Austin under
the basket...who hesitates and lets a Ute knock the ball away.Another turnover, Carlino forces a pass for a turnover.Down two
with a chance to tie, they launch some ill-advised threes. Davies gets two
offensive boards, then forces a bad shot. doesn't get it. Does something
stupid and gets T'd up.Sharp gets fouled on a rebound. Misses
both free throws.4-22 on threes at one point in the 2nd half...but
they keep launching them.The Cougars are losing because they are not
playing smart basketball.
Just as we ended your season in football very early on,I'd say
a 5-4 start for a team in the "other conferences" category essentially
ends this season too!
Just as Bronco learned that QB's are important in the game of football,
Rose is now learning that shooters are helpful in this game of basketball.I think we all knew byu was bad.But this bad?Game over Utes win!