Lost in DC,The President doesn't want us to go over the
financial cliff, he believes that since he won the Presidency and the Democrats
picked up 11 and maybe 12 seats in the house and 5 in the senate that the
American people want his policies implemented.The republicans
believe that losing the Presidency, 11 and maybe 12 seats in the house and 5
seats in the senate gives them a mandate from the American people, because Shawn
and Rush said so.The President in the summer of 2011 tried to
compromise with Mr. Boehner, but the tea party wouldn't allow that.
Politics are different sorry but the President has the upper hand in the
political game at this moment.
So Obama, when the Republicans agree to raise taxes on the richest 1% will you
come forward with really substantial things like means-testing for social
security and medicare. Raising taxes on the rich is small potatoes. The
reductions in the deficit will come from cutting benefits to affluent
Americans.I am a liberal: I think that government should fight
poverty. But I don't see what is the benefit of helping affluent seniors
live an affluent lifestyle? How does that help the common good?The
difference between Republicans and the Democrats is that Republicans don't
want to taxe the rich. The Democrats want to give benefits to the affluent. So
is there anyone who wants to fight poverty?
Speaker Boehner will need to hire his own Chicago group to PR this thing as the
President had this all planned a year ago on how his side would handle this
"blame" the other guy process. Politics has a history of
not telling the truth but it appears that it is not just individual politicians
but high officials. I wonder if anything today would happen to bring President
Nixon down for his people breaking into the Democratic Party headquarters. He
just had a bad PR section that was able to get around the topic due to
convenient terms and phrases that today's mobile society and social media
has accepted as part of the political process. As long as it doesn't hurt
me then it is okay. I am not sure that is what the Founding Fathers
believed when they formed the long process of the Declaration of Independent and
the Constitution of the United States of America. Even though individuals may
have had integrity issues, the whole nation as indivisible was not lacking
integrity.Fortunately, the Republicans still voted to keep the House
under their control and push for accountability with this administration's
lack of budgeting.
face it, BO WANTS us to go over the fiscal cliff - he sees that as a the more
likely way the dems can retake the house. If Boehner caves to BO's initial
demand, BO will throw up another. It is the same "negotiating" tactic
used in the 1930s in north-central Europe.
@JoeBlow:"Obamacare, while admittedly a national program, it was
modeled after Romenycare."Romneycare is a state program. Obama
care is a federal program and is not authorized by the US Constitution. So says
the Supreme Court. Keep that in mind.
@George F:"What are the mathematical odds that Romney would get zero
votes in 59 voting divisions in Philadelphia while Obama received more than
19,000?"The odds are zero.Democrats are famous for
cheating/stealing elections. They go to the grave yards to harvest names. They
get ACORN to register people and help them vote... for the Democrat candidate.
They're all corrupt, including their leader.@JoeBlow:"The President wants to keep the tax cuts for 98% of Americans and has
agreed to sign legislation that does that."The Republicans want
to keep the tax cuts for 100% of the people... which includes the people who
create jobs."How is this Obamas Fault?"It's
the Constitutional duty of the House to pass a budget. It's the
responsibility of the president to either accept or reject it. If he rejects
it, he's at fault. It is the prime duty of the Congress (House) to manage
the country's funding... not the president. If the president doesn't
like what is sent to him, he can let the country go over the fiscal cliff.
Again, the president is not authorized to decide how much money he gets.
atl134:"Democratic house candidates got more votes than Republican
house candidates. The fact that the Republicans hold the house is a tribute to
their ability to gerrymander seats..."The fact that the
Democrats voted 'early and often' is a tribute to their ability to get
the most votes."The Democratic senate has already voted to pass
tax cut extensions..."Which is unconstitutional. All
budget/money bills are to originate in the House per the US Constitution.@ChairmanMauzer:"Obama's plan is to increase taxes and
reduce deductions for those making over $250k..."Obama's
plan is to increase taxes on the wealthy, for sure. But the reduction in
deductions is something he says he plans for the future... which will never
happen. The guy is slick as a fox."The Republican plan proposed
in the House protects the 2%..."The Republican plan extends the
Bush tax rates for a time... to save the economy. Obama apparently doesn't
care about saving the economy. His objective is to get his hands on more tax
revenue to grow the government.
When will obama and the democrats start leading by compromising and working with
the republicans?The Bush tax cuts gave tax cuts to EVERYONE.
EVERYONE!Obama wants the tax cuts to end, so he can give tax and
then his name will on them.When will get a congress and President
that cares more about the country than politics?Ans when will the
democrats get serious about cutting spending?Oh I forgot the
democrats use spending to buy the love of voters, Yes Virginia,
Santa Claus does exist,Principled governing does not.
Most people think that reasonable negotiations should be kind of like selling a
used car.One party (GOP) has a car to sell, finds out that the value
of the car is most likely between low-book ($10,000) and high-book ($15,000),
and lists it for $15,000 knowing they will probably have to come down because it
isn't in show-room condition.Along comes the buyer (Obama) to
make an offer on the car. GOP expects the initial offer to be low-book (or maybe
even below it) but is completely surprise by the only offer given. Offer - pay me $5000 to take the car off your hands and buy all my gas for the
next 3 years, take it or leave it.When the GOP says it can't
take this offer seriously, Obama calls them obstructionists and unwilling to
find a "balanced" approach. How can you do anything but laugh at such an
President Obama also demands 50 billion dollars in additional "stimulus
spending"? Did that factoid make the nightly news? Probably not. President
Obama wants to go off the "fiscal cliff" because he came to divide- not
unite. He was a community agitator experienced at stapling flyers to telephone
poles and writing autobiographies- those were his accomplishments and the
American people elected him twice. So if I were John Boehner I would say - you
so called Americans who have hissy fits whenever someone suggests cutting a dime
from the Federal Budget need to step up and pay the bill. That means
la-dee-da-dee everybody. The Federal Reserve can't buy Treasury debt in
perpetuity. 500 channels on cable and people act like the world will end if PBS
loses Federal funding. Fine- pay for it. You want ethanol subsidies and mandates
so we can use food for fuel? Fine- pay for it. You want to bail out failed
health care providers errrrr.. auto manufacturers? Fine- pay for it. No free
ride anymore. Taxing just "the rich"isn't going to pay the bills.
JoeBlow 1:53PMInstituting "RomneyCare" in one state as
opposed to the whole country is VERY different. I never can understand how
liberals think that since people purportedly said Obamacare was modeled after
Massachusetts' health care plan, that this whole mess is Romney's
fault, or that opposing Obama's plan is hypocrisy on the part of
conservatives. Leave that power to the states. Let states govern how their
people elect. But when it comes to the national level, Obamacare is a terrible,
President Obama is lying - again. Now he's telling us the Republicans are
preventing a tax DECREASE. Now, isn't that just dandy? First he's
going to raise taxes and then he's going to reduced taxes by that exact
amount- and he calls it a tax decrease!How many lies is he going to
tell before someone - ANYONE - in the press takes him to task?He was
elected to enforce the laws, not to write the laws. We elected a Rebuplican
House and gave them strict instructions to not give Obama anything. He's
proven that he can't handle money. He is not the
"government". His job duties do not include lying to the people. He has
no authority over Congress. Will somebody give him a copy of the Constitution?
JoeBlow,The backbone of our economy will be broken, and massive
lay-offs will occur. Laid off workers do not pay taxes, and what's left of
the well off Americans will be required to pay more. Redistribution, and a
level playing field will occur. We'll all be in poverty, and a bankrupt
government will not provide benefits.When the glue of our economy is
weakened. We will crumble. Tax cuts for the middle class will mean nothing.Ninety eight percent of all people, who have lived on this planet, has
done it in poverty. There are reasons for that.
I finally get it. Lets increase the taxes paid by:* Lady Gaga* Peyton Manning* Nancy Pelosi* David Spielberg* Barack
Obama* baseball players* Faith Hill* Brittany Spears*
Tom Hanks* etcThis would prevent the fiscal cliff, while be
very fair. They can pay a little more, and we can ensure more benefits.Liberal philosophy is wonderful.
Nice rant.However,Obamacare, while admittedly a national
program, it was modeled after Romenycare.Romneycare was modeled
after the heritage foundation healthcare plan.By extension, I guess
the conservative Heritage Foundation and Gov Romney want to- Control your
health.- be the head of the new aristocracy in America You
know. It would be much easier to blame Obama and the Democrats if your beloved
GOP had not done exactly the same things.
Obamcare is actually about control and giving more power to the new aristocracy;
the state (meaning the federal government). It is another part of the welfare
mentality to bait unsuspecting masses to give up control and become dependent on
the state aristocracy. Its why the left loves food stamps with no work
requirement, housing subsides, unemployment benefits for as long as possible,
etc. If you are dependent upon someone or something (the government) other than
yourself, do they not control you? Control your healthcare and they, not you,
control your health. Its why the left loves taxes, especially on wealthy people
because it gives the aristocracy state control of the wealth. Its always done
incrementally until we have another N. Korea, Cuba, the former USSR, the former
East Germany et al. This is why the left in America despises religion because
thou shalt have not other God before the STATE. Its all about control. Obama is
the head of the new aristocracy in America and he is in control of millions of
hapless people who have volunteered to give away their self control to him. It
seems the "war in heaven" is still going on-who will control you!
"families without insurance are going to be taxed for not having
insurance."Lets at least be honest.Families that
cannot afford insurance are most likely on medicaid and will not be taxed.Families that can afford insurance but choose not to will be taxed. I am all for that. Because, those who CHOOSE to not have insurance will
probably end up being covered by the taxpayer if they have a life threatening,
very expensive, medical issue. Cancer perhaps?Are you aware that
medical issues are the number one cause of bankruptcy?
Chairman Mauzer: (cool moniker) I think you are not aware of the taxes the
administration and Democratic congress imposed on middle America through the
Affordable Care Act: limiting flex spending accounts to $2500 annually meaning
that many now pay additional taxes on money that used to be tax free; raising
medical deduction from 7.5% to 10% of total income, leaving many families with
members who have chronic illness paying more taxes. Then, families without
insurance are going to be taxed for not having insurance.Yes, sir.
Come 1 January 2013 middle income families are looking at higher taxes and 2014
will be even worse.
Though Obama & Democrats have tried to call the middle class tax hike a
"fee", the Supreme Court has legally defined them as a tax. That's
right, Obama's ACA increases taxes on the middle class.
Old Man, these positions Obama has taken are reported in the newspaper, quoting
from people in his administration. His campaign promises are recorded for you
to find. Study up.
I had hoped that those famous Utah Values might include honesty. But judging
from comments like these, that's not the case. Fibbing perhaps, but not
honesty.>Obama has lied about his promise to not raise taxes on
middle-america.>Obama will be raising taxes on the middle class
when his ACA (Affordable Care Act) is fully implemented. Not only will taxes be
increased, but quality of care will be diminished.>Why, because
the revenue will only last Obama less that 10 days, what about the other 355
days?>What are the mathematical odds that Romney would get zero
votes in 59 voting divisions in Philadelphia while the Obama received more than
What will Obama do with all the money he collects from the "rich" with
his tax increases? Will he pay down the national debt one penny? Will he blow it
all on more entitlements that will make even more hapless Americans dependent on
government handouts? People, we are debating the wrong questions! Its not
whether or not the "rich" should pay more. The real question is, what
good will it do? The honest answer is unless Obama cuts spending significantly,
tax increases will do no good! Why, because the revenue will only last Obama
less that 10 days, what about the other 355 days? Who is going to pay for the
rest of the year? That is the question we all should be asking Obama and the
Lets see if I have this correct.The Democrats want to keep the tax
cuts for 98% of Americans.The Republicans also want to keep the tax cuts
98% of Americans.The President wants to keep the tax cuts for 98% of
Americans and has agreed to sign legislation that does that.So....
Tell me.How is this Obamas Fault?
What are the mathematical odds that Romney would get zero votes in 59 voting
divisions in Philadelphia while the Obama received more than 19,000?
Obama will be raising taxes on the middle class when his ACA (Affordable Care
Act) is fully implemented. Not only will taxes be increased, but quality of
care will be diminished.During the campaign (that was just weeks
ago) Obama stated that he would raise over $800 billion in taxes over the next
10 years by focusing those increases on the wealthy (those making over $250K).
Republicans have agreed to accept Obama's campaign promise to raise $800
Billion, not by increasing the tax rate, but by closing loopholes. Obama has
rejected this and instead insisted on the tax increase be $1.6 Trillion now, not
the $800 Billion he campaigned on. It would seem that both parties
should be able to agree on the figure of $800 Billion in new revenues. But
Obama insists that the rate must be increased, even though Republicans promise
to focus their loophole and tax deduction eliminations for only the wealthy
(those making over $250,000). The President is pushing this
country needlessly towards the fiscal cliff. So much for
compromise. So much for changing Washington, working with the other side, blah,
blah, blah. Obama accused Romney of lieing....Hmmmm.
Mike, I don't think you know what you're talking about. Obama's
plan is to increase taxes and reduce deductions for those making over $250k
(i.e., the 2%, only middle class if you include Romney's definition.) The
Republican plan proposed in the House protects the 2% from tax increases (as
well as protecting the grossly bloated military budget, which is 43% of the
WORLD's military spending, or more than the next 19 countries combined and
more than 5 times as much as the next closest country) while generating new
revenue from limiting deductions across the board. So who do these deductions
affect the most? Why, the middle and lower class but of course.Republicans would effectively raise taxes on the middle class and the poor to
shield the wealthy and the military budget. By the way, this same Republican
plan has the same fiscal impact as going over the cliff would, except that going
over the cliff would include a tax increase for the wealthy and cuts to the
military. The Republican Plan's cuts are entirely to programs that benefit
the poor and middle Americans.I think it's pretty easy to see
where their true priorities lie.
@Mike RichardsDemocratic house candidates got more votes than
Republican house candidates. The fact that the Republicans hold the house is a
tribute to their ability to gerrymander seats (didn't work in Utah but it
worked great in states like Pennsylvania and Ohio).The Democratic
senate has already voted to pass tax cut extensions for those making under 250k
but House Republicans are blocking a vote on it. The only logic for your claim
that Obama is raising taxes on middle-america is the payroll tax holiday which
both parties support letting expire so Republicans aren't exempt there
either (figures that Obama instituted tax cuts are fair game for Republicans to
let increase, they also want to let the tax cuts in the stimulus expire).
Obama has lied about his promise to not raise taxes on middle-america. He
refutes the election. America rejected his polices by electing a REBUPLICAN
House. He wants to dictate. The House stands between him and