Published: Friday, Dec. 7 2012 12:00 a.m. MST
When seeds are sown, are we too foolish to know what kind of crop we will
harvest?Obama has been sowing "class warfare seeds" since he
has had a political voice. Why? What is his "end game"? No other
President in American history has ever sown such seeds. No other President has
had the goal to divide this nation.
"Genuine class warfare took place under the totalitarian dictatorships of
Joseph Stalin, Adolph Hitler and Mao Zedong. The leaders of the class with power
murdered millions of human beings."Where does the author think
his examples all began? It is the culmination of what is happening right now in
America. Dictators come to power and are accepted by the majority who have
invented a common enemy. In our case, its the "rich" anyone who has
succeeded, unless of course its those rich people on the left. Its a proven,
powerful political tool and the left is still using it with great effect.
Can either of you provide examples (specific quotes would be appreciated) of
Obama's class warfare "seeds"I am just curious as to
what that means to you.
Mike Richards - You obviously have little knowledge of what seeds have been sown
by previous presidents. Try starting with the poignant speech by FDR in Madison
Square Garden in 1936. Quick history: FDR was a Democrat that
succeeded a woefully inept Republican after that Republican, and a
Republican-controlled HoR and Senate, steered our Nation into the Great
Depression. When the Country realized the absolute disparity that existed among
the elites and the middle-class, they figured out that it was the
Republican-controlled federal government that was responsible for facilitating
such inequality. So, the American people put their trust in Democrats, in both
the White House and the Capitol. And we progressed. Aside from
Hoover, do you know the only other time in the last 100 years in which
Republicans controlled the White House and both Houses? 2000-2006. And what
did we get? The Great Recession. You see, history repeats itself. Ever heard
"Bush43's jobs record is the worst since Hoover"? And just as the
American people turned to the fixers of the economy then (Democrats) we are
turning to the fixers of our economy now. Also, read "A
Proclamation on the Economy" please.
@ Joe Blow. "“if you’ve got a business, you didn’t build
that.” Class warfare at its finest!
Joe,Spend an hour reading Obama's speeches. Why not start with
his 2002 MLK speech? Instead of excusing his words, why not see what he is
really saying. Why not think about what Michelle Obama meant when she said,
"For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my
country." Kennedy uttered the famous, "Ask not" but
Obama is telling us to "demand" from government and that the "rich
guy" will pay.Both are Democrats. One had a vision of America
and of Americans that inspired greatness in all of us. The other preyed on
pettiness, on personal laziness, on envy, on coveting.History will
not be kind to Barack Obama. History will show that the "fiscal cliff"
was not the main problem. The main problem was Obama enticing people to jump
into his arms so that he could destroy private wealth, business, and incentive
in America. He's spent his whole life surrounding himself with radicals
whose goal has been to destroy America. Look at his closest friends and
associates. Look at Bill Ayers who bombed the Pentagon. Look at all of them
and see the commonality of their thoughts.
Ah, nice try. Again the GOP taking things out of context to mislead. Here is
the full context."If you were successful, somebody along the
line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.
Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that
allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve
got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that
happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research
created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the
Internet."Now, to the point, you call THAT class warfare? I
find that odd.Let Ronald Reagan help you out.
“Do you think the millionaire ought to pay more in taxes than the bus
driver or less?” “More!” the audience shouted.“We want to see that everyone pays their fair share and no one
gets a free ride,” Reagan said, and that “no one is manipulating the
system to their advantage because they’re rich and powerful.”
But Joe..you are missing the point! Most of us had great teachers, all of us
drive on highways but not everyone has built a business that hires people and
pay nearly 80% of all the federal income taxes paid.Obama's comment
sounds like it came right from Karl Marx "to each according to their ability
and to each according to their needs". Obama has more in common with Fidel
Castro and Hugo Chavez than the leader of the free world. Add to that the fact
that more taxes on the "rich" will only run the government for less than
10 days. Please explain how you would solve the real problem of run away
government spending for the other 355 days! That's the real issue here,
We have a bigger problem incorrectly using the word "socialism".
my typo..should be "from each according to their ability..sorry
Joe, I'll bet I can tell you exactly where that nonsense is coming from.
"Conservative" posters here are simply regurgitating the garbage they
hear on the radio from propagandists like Rush and Glen and Sean and . . . and .
. . and . . .In the meantime, calling what Stalin and Mao and Adolf
did "class warfare" is also nonsense. It was political war, religious
war, and war against the educated people who were capable to questioning what
they were doing.Not much different, really, than the war being waged
in America today by our corporations and certain political groups like ALEC and
the GOP. They just have become smart enough to realize that you don't have
to kill people to advance your causes. Just numb their brains with a constant
stream of scare tactics and right wing propaganda and warnings of imaginary
conspiracies.We frequently see the results of that mind numbing in
posts right here.
To see class warfare at work you need only examine one statistic. The share of
the national income going to working people vs. to corporate profits and the
very rich. For several decades after WWII about 2/3 of the national income went
to workers. Starting in 1980 that started to decline, it flattened out in the
90's and then started a steep decline in 2000. Now only 52% of the national
income goes to work, the remainder goes to corporate profits and the very rich.
The share that has been shifted away from workers is equivalent to
the total amount of taxes collected by the federal government. That's a
massive amount of money that has been taken away from workers and gone into the
pockets of the hyper-rich.That's class warfare. AS Warren
Buffet said "we've had class warfare in this country for the last
thirty years, my class won".
Reagan and his Reaganomics started the class war. In the past 30 years wealth
distribution has been increasingly concentrated among the rich and middle class
wages have stagnated. Then when the middle class fights back the elites say
they're starting a class war.
The presidential election was, in part, a war against the wealthy, successful
businesses, and "old white guys." Look at the incredible bigotry
revealed in the demographic vote statistics. The president continues class
warfare by pandering to the polls, championing increasing taxes on "the
wealthy," which does nearly nothing to address the Federal deficit;
it's pure pandering.
Please everyone, just read "Who Stole the American Dream," by Hedrick
Smith.If you do, you will have a much better understanding of how we
got into this mess.And it is not simply just a black-and-white,
Democrat, Republican mess. It involves much, much more than that.It's hard -- if not impossible -- for anyone to solve a problem unless
they understand what caused the problem.But far too many of us are
willing to accept propaganda instead of good information. When we do that, we
simply add to the problem.
@Mountanman"“if you’ve got a business, you didn’t
build that.”If you bothered to read/hear his entire paragraph
or two around that you'd know he was clearly saying that businesses
didn't build the roads they use to transport their goods, that it's a
benefit they use that helps them succeed. But no... context would mess with the
talking point you want to make now would it? But I see later you still want to
press this... fine... how about this quote? Is it Marxist? After all he's
talking about roads too."There are a lot of people in government
who help us and allow us to have an economy that works and allow entrepreneurs
and business leaders of various kinds to start businesses and create jobs. We
all recognize that. That's an important thing.... I know that you recognize
that a lot of people help you in a business. Perhaps the banks, the investors.
There's no question your mom and dad. Your school teachers. The people that
provide roads, the fire, and the police. A lot of people help." - Mitt
"To see class warfare at work you need only examine one statistic."I really like that idea. Can I pick the one statistic we look at?
From the Free Dictionary: "Class warfare: conflict between social or
economic classes (especially between the capitalist and proletariat
classes)."Doesn't say anything about what the letter writer
claims is class warfare. Sounds like we're using the term properly in
America today and not offending anyone. And yes, Warren Buffett is right.
From Dictionary.com: Class struggle:1. Also called class conflict.
conflict between different classes in a community resulting from different
social or economic positions and reflecting opposed interests.2.
Also called class war, class warfare. (in Marxist thought) the struggle for
political and economic power carried on between capitalists and workers. Pointless letter stretching to make a point.
Excellent letter. And in the same vein, people love to compare their political
opponents to Hitler, or Stalin or someone. Rhetorical excess combined with
historical ignorance; a nasty combination.
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