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Published: Thursday, Dec. 6 2012 10:22 a.m. MST

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eastcoastcoug
Danbury, CT

"BYU athletics director Tom Holmoe tells writer Dennis Dodd he will oppose the revenue sharing plan as it currently stands."

No kidding...

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@u90

Well I don't think all of the bowl money "utah sent BYU's way" in recorded history equals even one year of BYU's athletic department profits. It was reported right here in the Dnews, and confirmed by BYU, that they run in the black to the tune of approximately 5 mil per year. I don't believe all of the bowl money utah sent BYU combined even equals 1 mil.

Then of course we can more than offset it with the money BYU has sent utah from playing in more than twice as many bowl games. But hey, why let facts interfere with a great argument?

phoenix
Gilbert, AZ

U 90

Nice try, but what's so "special" about "bcs money"?

Money is money and the paltry amount BYU received from Utah's two bcs bowl appearances was much less than BYU receives in concessions from a couple of home football games.

Bottom line: it was barely noticeable in BYU's bottom line.

TheSportsAuthority
Arlington, VA

eastcoastcoug

With no place at the bargaining table, it's not surprising that the bcs big wigs would try to low ball BYU. They probably figured if BYU didn't object they'd be good to go. They'll come to their senses as soon as BYU formally objects and the figure will be adjusted to something more reasonable.

NevadaCoug
Overton, NV

Forget about how much money BYU got because Utah played in a BCS bowl game. Consider this: Utah's opponent in both BCS Bowl games got substantially more money than Utah did. Just because they were in a "major" conference and Utah was not. Despite the fact that Utah won both games.

You did know that, didn't you?

Now, how is that fair?

BCS is and always has been about keeping the money in the hands of a few programs. And, sorry Utah. You still aren't one of those programs, despite being invited to the Pac-12.

Bleed Crimson
Sandy, Utah

According to CBSSports:

"BYU and Army, the only independents left by 2015, project to have the worst payout and worst access to playoff bowls"

"Army, BYU, along with Navy, will have the poorest access to the playoff bowls beginning in 2014...Beginning in 2014, the so-called Group of Five non-BCS schools (Big East, MAC, Conference USA, Sun Belt, Mountain West) will get an automatic spot for their highest-ranked champion. Army and BYU would be in the playoff rotation only if either finishes in the top four or is considered to fill an access bowl by the playoff committee".

Swallow your pride Cougs and get into a conference!!!

56chevy
dana point , CA

At U90 and 54-10

Maybe we can have Utah refund all the money sent there way all during the WAC years of bowl appearances by BYU when Utah failed to ever get there. Talk about subsidizing. Also, Utah's ESPN appearances thanks to BYU. Just how far back do you want to go in this "legacy"?

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@bleeder

It really doesn't matter because anyone honest about it will admit BYU's chances of being in the top 4 any given year are a loooooong shot. But to be honest with you I don't think they are any more of a long shot than utah's. Based on the schedule's BYU is putting together they are pretty similar to what utah will be playing each year, neither team is good enough to be a top 4 team and I doubt either will be with anything that resembles regularity. For utah to get there they will pretty much have to be undefeated and do that beating USC, Stanford, Oregon and whatever other pac12 teams happen to be good that particular year. In otherwords it isn't going to happen. utah "fans" don't like to admit this but it is more likely that it will never happen for utah than that it will happen with any regularity.

And it is about the same for BYU. They are going to have to go undefeated, against some good teams and it just doesn't happen very often.

gdog3finally
West Jordan, Utah

We should embrace the concept "that if you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all".

Not playing the rivalry game after next year will not change the posts from red and blue fans focusing on each others flaws. I am guilty of this sometimes and justify it with a 'defending my team' attitude. I think it's time I stop that. The attacks will still come.

I believe I post positive things on BYU articles often. I also find fault with BYU, but I try keeping it real with my opinions being sincere and not inductively motivated on shooting down Cougars.

I will root for the Utes and miss the rivalry game, but not miss what it has become, a hate fest.

Parting shot before I test my resolve on distancing myself from the banter. HEAD TO HEAD MATTERS BYU FANS even more since the schedules are now different. Common opponents matter too; Utah beat Washington State by more than BYU, and lost to Oregon State by less than BYU. The exception (BYU's favor); Utah losing in overtime in Logan where BYU won 6-3 at home to USU (9th inning).

Bleed Crimson
Sandy, Utah

@ Duckhunter

The playoff access isn't the concern for Utah and BYU. Because for the Utes and Cougs it's going to be tough to get a top 4 ranking by playing tough schedules every year.

The concern is BYU's access to 1 of the 6 BCS bowl games. Utah is guaranteed the Rose Bowl if they win the Pac-12 or the Fiesta Bowl if the Rose Bowl is hosting a semi finals. BYU has no automatic access to 1 of the 6 BCS bowl games. If the Cougs go undefeated and are ranked high enough. It's up to the selection committee to decide if the Cougs are in or out. No guarantee!

Utah has the automatic access, but they have their work cut out for them with their tough Pac-12 schedule.

For BYU, they need to join a conference like the Big East or rejoin the MWC because if they win their conference and are the highest ranked of the "group of five" non-aq conferences. They're guaranteed the Fiesta Bowl and a lot of money!

U 90
Corona, CA

Duck phx & 56,

Utah has earned more bowl money than BYU. The amount of bowl $ Utah has given to the Y far exceeds the amount they have received back from them.

Add up the lifetime the bowl earnings of both schools, and I'm willing to bet that the amount Utah earned in just 2 bowls (04 & 08) is more than BYU has earned in all their bowls combined.

Warrior Parent
Belle Glade, FL

Anybody who has seen the BYUTV complex, their trucks, their productions, their capabilities and then put together the partnership with ESPN...can ONLY conclude that Independence is great for BYU.

The WCC is also a great match because the other schools like us, treat us with respect and also offer us good competition. the similar standards and values of WCC teams are a wonderful compliment to the conference, the schools and the administrations.

Thanks BYU and the board of trustees for putting education, character and standards ahead of money in sports!

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@Bleed Crimson

I agree with you to an extent but I don't agree that access to BCS bowls is that big of a deal. Once again the odds of BYU being eligible for any of them is not that great whether they are in a conference or not. The same goes for Utah to be honest with you.

Then of course there is the issue of whether it is really all that big a deal to play in one of those games anyway. Utah fans like to claim it is because those are the only real accomplishments their program has ever had. BYU fans like to say it's no big deal in part because they haven't been to one.

My honest opinion is that they are only marginally more appealing than any other bowl game. Yes they pay more,but as fan that doesn't matter to me. They carry more prestige but once again that is of limited value.

The question for BYU is overall are they better off being in a conference and having an occasional long shot chance to be in a marginally better bowl, or being independent and enjoying those advantages.

U 90
Corona, CA

@ Duckhunter
I don't agree that access to BCS bowls is that big of a deal.... My honest opinion is that they are only marginally more appealing than any other bowl game.... They carry more prestige but once again that is of limited value.

Have you ever lived outside Highland, UT? I don't know one college football fan from the 7 states I've lived in that would agree with your statement (except maybe a few hundred people in Utah county).

BCS bowls payout more cash which helps drive a program's growth (see Alabama, Ohio St, USC, Oregon etc.). But more importantly, teams with BCS tradition are more likely to get the benefit of the doubt in the polls. There are reasons why a two loss Florida team can still be in the NC conversation at the end of the year while an undefeated team with no BCS pedigree is not.

U 90
Corona, CA

@ Duckhunter
The question for BYU is overall are they better off being in a conference and having an occasional long shot chance to be in a marginally better bowl, or being independent and enjoying those advantages.

I don't think bowl prestige should be the driving force behind BYU's decision to stay Indy or join a conference. Given the upheaval in college football realignment right now, if I were Mr. Holmoe I'd be on my knees begging the BIG 12 to invite me and I'd give up on the TV rights demands. Bottom line is this, if it goes to four 16 team super-conference and BYU is on the outside looking in, it will cripple the football program to life support status. And I'm not a hater, I want to see BYU in the PAC12 or BIG12, I think it would be great for the state of Utah and make Saturdays a lot more fun if BYU was in a big conference. But you can't deny that lack of inclusion in a new super-conference format would kill the BYU program.

Barnbug1
SPANISH FORK, UT

BYU does not need BCS money. If their sole focus was football, nobody in the country could outspend them. Isn't it about playing good teams and being able to compete? I would much rather the guarantee of scheduling good teams during the season, than playing a weak schedule and HOPING for a good team in a bowl.

U 90
Corona, CA

@Barnbug1
"BYU does not need BCS money. If their sole focus was football, nobody in the country could outspend them"

Please enlighten us on where this money would come from?

Mt Rushmore
Arlington, VA

Bleed Crimson

Having all of the money in the world won't buy U a decent football team.

5-7 seasons with no bowls will get old after awhile and RES will become just like the HC, a vast sea of empty red chairs.

Besides, you'll NEVER out recruit the Trojans so all of the talk about bcs access bowls and playoffs is nothing but a bunch of hot air.

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

56chevy
dana point , CA
At U90 and 54-10

Maybe we can have Utah refund all the money sent there way all during the WAC years of bowl appearances by BYU when Utah failed to ever get there. Talk about subsidizing. Also, Utah's ESPN appearances thanks to BYU. Just how far back do you want to go in this "legacy"?

________________

Does BYU thank Utah for the losses on ESPN?
BYU should refund money to ESPN for each sorry loss this season on their network.

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

Warrior Parent
Belle Glade, FL
Anybody who has seen the BYUTV complex, their trucks, their productions, their capabilities and then put together the partnership with ESPN...can ONLY conclude that Independence is great for BYU.

The WCC is also a great match because the other schools like us, treat us with respect and also offer us good competition. the similar standards and values of WCC teams are a wonderful compliment to the conference, the schools and the administrations.

Thanks BYU and the board of trustees for putting education, character and standards ahead of money in sports!

_____________________

Oh come on! If it was not about the money then why did they leave the MWC and go carpet bagging after an ESPN contract? If a power conference wanted them offering more money, BYU would have taken it first.

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