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Published: Wednesday, Dec. 5 2012 10:55 p.m. MST

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Grammy3
SOUTH JORDAN, UT

I think that this was Obama's plan all along. It is to bad that people just were blind by him and his smooth talking and promises that he is not keeping. To me it is sad but now it is just to late and we all need to pay the price for what others have done and will do. God Bless America

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

@ Neanderthal: Since there will still be other sources of income, that whole "run the government for 8 days" thing is a red herring. (How long will the government run if we don't raise taxes?)

Since not all the deficit is related to Obamacare, that also is a red herring.

There needs to be a balanced approach of tax hikes and spending cuts - which is what is being proposed. (If we just do cuts without tax increases, how much will that reduce the deficit? Of course, the answer to that depends on what is cut and by how much, but most programs people are willing to put on the chopping block add very little to the deficit and reducing them or even cutting them entirely will do little to help - and they might make things worse.)

Cinci Man
FT MITCHELL, KY

How about cutting congressional salaries, pensions, budgets, and many other benefits for lawmakers? If my Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid are on the table, why are the same benefits for Congress not equally on the table? Belt tightening has taken place all over corporate America, so why can't belt tightening occur on the beltway?

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"Fewer than half the Republicans polled favor continuing the Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthy."

And the GOP is fighting this because? They are obviously putting party ideology ahead of their constituents. Clearly.

Neanderthal

I agree, taxing the Rich is not the solution. No one has ever said that it was.

However, it IS PART of the solution.

Reforming Medicare is not a "viable solution" by itself.
Reforming SS is not a "viable solution" by itself.
Cutting defense spending is not a "viable solution" by itself.

By your logic, we should not even look at them.

But guess what? Taken together, a bunch of partial solutions do become "viable".

It is not that difficult of a concept.

Ricardo Carvalho
Provo, UT

It seems to me that what these polls really say is please do something that does not impact me. I do not make over $250,000 per year so it is ok to raise taxes there. I will be impacted by cuts to Social Security and Medicare so leave those alone. We live in a republic rather than a democracy so that our elected officials can make difficult choices that are in the interest of the country. We need courage on the part of our elected leaders to acknowledge that entitlements hold the key to solvency and future economic prosperity. While I am fine with a tax or revenue increase from the top 2%, it may be necessary to push the shared sacrifice down the chart even further through increases to many of the rest of us or cuts to the entitlements we enjoy or hope to enjoy. Now is not the time to govern by polls. It is the time to do what is right for the country as a whole as hard to define as that may be.

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Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Ahh yes, but Obama needs a straw man, someone to blame for his miserable failures. Who else could he blame than the "rich"? Those people who already pay nearly 80% of all federal income taxes. He certainly can't blame the 47%, those who pay no federal income taxes, could he? Never mind that taxing the "rich" will not even begin to solve our deficit problems for more than 8 days, its the lie that got him elected and re-elected! The bad news is now we have to face the truth; we don't have the money to fund all Obama's entitlements! Nobody does and more smoke and mirrors from the White House doesn't change that fact!

killpack
Sandy, UT

The people have spoken! Let it be! I hope House Republicans just get out of the way and let fate take its course. Let Obama, the man we voted for, do his thing. When things are really bad four years from now, when have incurred insurmountable debt, when the US dollar is worthless, when all the rich people and their businesses have moved to China, they will no longer be able to blame Republicans. Let's just get this over with. It's going to happen. Might as well happen sooner than later.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

Keep singing his praises that its OK to steal someones personal property. When the rich are not rich then the socialists/communists will come after the middle class.Obama wants taxes raised on everyone but he needs to start with class warfare. Remember trickle down.I hope all of you that work for a rich guy ends up in the bread line and sooner rather than later. Instead of making a rich man poor it should be make a poor man rich. Obamas plan does not have that in mind.His is to make everyone dependant on the Government. He want to bring this Country to a point where it is just one of the other countries instead of the County we have been.

JDL
Magna, UT

Watch words and tag lines are among the favorite devices of propagandists. Fiscal Cliff is an excellent case in point. Ask any one, even politicians what it means and you will have many different answers.

The reality is there is no such thing as the "fiscal cliff" but rather a fictitious point of argument to force a predetermined outcome, the perfect Marxist application of the Hegelian Dialectic.

We would all do well to look at the much bigger picture and see that the United States is fiscally bankrupt and not by accident but by design. Obama has been working the class warfare this whole time, another Marxist strategy. We cannot be distracted the from the very real peril of the total destruction of the United States by bickering over something as ridicules as a phony "fiscal cliff".

IDC
Boise, ID

Wow! So more people are starting to believe that someone else should pay more for the services they are getting?

Maybe we should test this out at restaurants. Everyone order whatever they want and after we are done eating, we can vote for who pays for the food. I guess with the deficit, the people who pay for everything that night can pay for last nights meals as well.

Are we past the tipping point? Have the takers reached a majority? What happens if Obama gets the House for his last 2 years?

3grandslams
Iowa City, IA

Raising taxes is never the answer when facing a economic catastrophe, that's just ingnoring the problem. Even the rich can't bail us out of this mess.

And please stop proposing programs that only the rich can afford like green energy (who can afford an electric car that needs a $10,000 batter replaced every 5 years), healthcare (the rich will buy their doctors while the rest of us will have to settle for the "system") and bailouts for failed green companies and mismanaged corporations (bailouts only went to already wealthy CEO's)...

Pres. Obama has no plan for America an it's prosperity. It's obvious becaus what he puts on the table his own party members even won't vote for. We don't need anymore evidence, it's pretty clear we are being lied too.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

On Tuesday, FedEx Chairman and CEO Fred Smith, an adviser to Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign, said that the notion that tax hikes on the richest Americans would kill jobs was simply "mythology."

Monday, a gathering of the nation's top defense executives took a surprising turn when they endorsed tax rate increases on the wealthy and cuts of up to $150 billion to the Pentagon's budget. Top executives from Northrop Grumman, Pratt & Whitney, TASC and RTI International Metals appeared at the National Press Club at an event organized by the Aerospace Industries Association, the top defense contractor lobbyist.

David Langstaff, CEO of TASC, said "In the near term, [income tax rates] need to go up some, This is a fairness issue -- there needs to be recognition that we’re not collecting enough revenue. In the last decade we’ve fought two wars without raising taxes. So I think it does need to go up.”

AT&T CEO Randall Stephenson, who was also at the meeting, said in a statement that a deal "will require a compromise involving an increase in both tax rates and revenue."

killpack
Sandy, UT

Truthseeker,

Thank you. I was so against raising taxes, but since you just appealed to a bunch of rich CEOs who think taxes should be raised, out of fairness, I feel so much more at ease about it. Just like when 40 billionaire Warren Buffett says we should pay more taxes, out of fairness, I absolutely, wholeheartedly agree with him. Because when you're a CEO who makes (and more importantly hoards) millions or billions, you know all about fairness and equity (no pun intended), right? Who's side are you on?

Fred44
Salt Lake City, Utah

I know republicans want to cut entitlements, but why do they only want to cut entitlements for the poor and middle class? I have not seen them propose cutting the entitlement program for big oil.

They also propose closing loopholes, like the mortgage deduction and charitable giving. Those are the only tax deductions most middle class Americans have. Why not close loopholes like the ones for private jets.

When you look at the republican plan (if you can call it that) it hits middle and low income Americans the hardest, and as would be expected does very little to wealthy Americans.

Republicans assume that most Americans are cannot see through their little bait and switch game.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

A Federal Budget Lesson
* U.S. Tax revenue: $2,170,000,000,000
* Fed budget: $3,820,000,000,000
* New debt: $1,650,000,000,000
* National debt: $16,271,000,000,000
* Recent proposed budget cuts: $38,500,000,00
Obama’s proposed tax increases on the rich: $150,000,000,000

Let's now remove 8 zeros and pretend it's a household budget:

* Annual family income: $21,700
* Money the family spent: $38,200
* New debt on the credit card: $16,500
New income from taxes on your rich neighbors: $150.00
* Outstanding balance on the credit card: $162,560
* Total budget cuts so far: $3.85
Got it???

southmtnman
Provo, UT

A fundamental principle of economics as well as business is that you cannot cost cut your way into prosperity or out of a recession. Period.

SL
Rexburg, ID

Soak the rich. Cut defense by 10%. This will help "defense" actually be defense instead of empire maintenance.

Neanderthal
Ogden, UT

@Kalindra:
"Since there will still be other sources of income..."

Like what?

In fact, there's a high probability that tax revenue will diminish as job creators pull back... and possibly move their job creation capacities to somewhere overseas.

"How long will the government run if we don't raise taxes?"

The way to keep the government running is to make it more efficient... buy cutting our waste and abuse. The Federal government is bloated and too big.

"Since not all the deficit is related to Obamacare, that also is a red herring."

Obamacare will exacerbate budget problems... as well as increase taxes on the middle class... something Obama promised not to do.

"There needs to be a balanced approach of tax hikes and spending cuts..."

Sounds like a Democrat talking point.

I prefer a sane approach to a balanced one... such as reducing the size of the Federal government.

"If we just do cuts without tax increases, how much will that reduce the deficit?"

About the equivalent of 8 days worth.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Lets just raise taxes on everyone making less than $250,000 and no taxes on those making above that because they are the job creators and entertainers and have suffered so much in their altruistic view of humanity. It's about time we all give back to those who have given more, and when they have all of the money, the plutacracy complete, we can all eat cake.

I Choose Freedom
Atlanta, GA

Hey Mountanman, you are right. But there are a large number of parasites in the moocher class that do not care about those numbers. They only believe that Obama is not going to tax them so they are fine with his approach. But they will find out that they will be impacted as this nations economy goes into a tailspin.

I am a member of the evil rich that makes more than $250k per year. Go ahead and try to tax me to death. Believe me when I say that my employees will suffer more than I will because they will lose all of their income before I lose all of mine. And I have a lot more in reserve than any one of them has.

I started my business and risked everything I had to make it successful. My employees risked nothing. Yet every one of them makes more working for me than they have ever made before. But if you think they will somehow do better as I do worse then congratulations, you are fully qualified to be an "Obama voter"! And you will pay a very heavy price for your ignorance.

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