Published: Wednesday, Dec. 5 2012 12:00 a.m. MST
Among employees of America's premier tech companies (Google, Apple,
Microsoft, etc), Obama received 80-90% of the vote. All ten of the
best educated states voted for Obama. Better education equals higher income
which equals higher taxes. Nine of the ten worst educated states voted for
Romney. Low education equals low pay, low taxes, and higher levels of government
assistance.There are three counties in Kentucky in which welfare
payments constitute over 50% of total county income, the highest level of any
area in the U.S. These three counties voted for Romney by a 4-1 margin.The Economist Magazine recently published a study that compared the federal
taxes paid by each state versus the federal funds received by that state. It
found with only a very few exceptions that conservative states pay less than
they receive, while liberal states pay more than they receive.The
entire conservative maker vs. liberal taker narrative is utter nonsense.
Mr Larsen,A noble cause, however, you may first want to start with
the basics.50% of GOP voters believe that Acorn stole the
election.40+ % of GOP voters are not sure that Obama is an American
citizen.Yes, I sometimes vote Republican but don't tell anyone.
I don't want to be lumped in with those mentioned above.
Well said, Mr. Larsen. Thank you for being a sane, rational, patriotic person
who happens to bbe a Republcian.
It is nice to see letters like this from reasonable and intelligent people like
Mr. Larsen. Most of the people I know voted for Barack Obama and every single
one of them is gainfully employed in their chosen field and has built their own
life independently and by their own work and initiative.
Thank you, Clark Roger Larsen. At least there's one Republican in Utah who
isn't a sore-loser ideologue. As one who voted for President Obama, I
would issue a similar challenge to Democrats: Don't let that victory go to
your heads and ignore 48% of the electorate.The obvious common
ground in the "fiscal cliff crisis" is to continue current tax rates for
98% of the people who are not the ultra-wealthy. Republicans' refusal to
do even that indicates that Mr. Larsen's plea is a solitary voice crying in
the Republican wilderness.
Find Common Ground...seems we are in this mess for that very reason. It would be
more novel if Republiicans actually stood their ground. Though the president may
have his win there are still those who voted for Republicans. We expect them to
vote the values and principles of a responsible government...not go along with
the destructive policies of the majority. Else why even have a two party system.
Mr. Larsen,Thank you for an outstanding letter. Would that all
would heed your advice.
Tulip said, "We expect them to vote the values and principles of a
responsible government...not go along with the destructive policies of the
majority"But as the author of this letter eloquently pointed
out, it is possible to stand up for your values and principles while still
working with the other side to find common ground that will benefit the nation
as a whole. Not eveyone will be totally happy with the end result - in fact
that might be the mark of a successfull compromise - but the nation will move
forward in a positive way.Just because Barack Obama won the
election, he will not get everything he wants in the coming legislative term. I
think he is the first to realize and understand that. But his re-election is,
or should be, an indication to his detractors that the majority of the nation
support his positions over those that were presented by his opponent.Working togather in compromise is far better for the country than simply
"standing your ground." Thank you Clark Larson for pointing that out.
Tulip..you ask the wrong question. The question now is why have a two party
system where both sides are so intransigent that no governing takes place? We
have two parties to represent the various views in the governing process, and we
have checks and balances in that process so that one view doesn't trample
the views of the other. You are absolutely wrong about not only the
reason for the "mess" we are in but what that "mess" is. The
"mess" is the absolute inability to get anything done. All the
specifics of governing are manageable. The debt can be reduced, entitlements
can be made sustainable..but not if one side digs in their heels and refuses to
engage in governing.
Clark, this was a very thoughtful letter. I agree, "the taker, maker"
argument is is not valid. I was VERY surprised that my three MBA
in-laws all voted for Obama. These are three, Catholic, family men with
excellent jobs, and ethics. One of them put it very well when he said: "The things these guys are saying scared the "heck" out of
me!"When the Republican party is losing people of this caliber,
you know it has a problem.
When we stand in the voting booth, WHAT are we voting for? Do we vote for the
future? Do we vote for candidates whose vision most closely matches the vision
of those who wrote and ratified the Constitution? Do we vote for those
candidates whose vision is not clouded by the constant erosion of those
principles? Slightly more than half the people voted for Obama. If
they truly thought about their vote, then they voted for those principles that
Obama promotes.Slightly less than half the people rejected
Obama's principles. Education in one field does not mean that
anyone who voted for Obama studied his platform and then did a point by point
comparison of his principles and his programs against his Constitutional duties
and Constitutional authority. The people have spoken, now we will
all pay the price for the decision that they made in that voting booth. Make no
mistake, that price will be incalculable. Higher taxes will be the least of our
Great Letter.It's why I left the GOP 22 years ago.Like
Republicnas say themselves -- A Party that is becoming Whiter, Older, and
more male.aka, Archie Bunker
How do you compromise with $16.5 trillion in debt and growing by over $1.5
billion everyday? How do you compromise with the President who has borrowed more
money than all the other presidents combined and has no plans to stop borrowing
even more? How do you compromise with losing your retirement savings as a result
of the debt causing the devaluation of our dollar? To compromised with this is
to sell your soul? What will we tell our children and grandchildren?
ECR: The problem is "common ground" is usually a one sided affair.
Seriously, when was the last time the "left" ever came our way! It
doesn't happen. "Common Ground" is code speak for "we must
cave...once again." Everyone talks about how both sides are to blame for
this mess. I couldn't agree more. Hence the "standing your ground"
comment to the Repubs.. Though O'bama may get his way, he doesn't need
our guys giving their "stamp of approval" all in the name of "common
Mountainman,You might be surprised to know that every year of the
Obama presidency, the borrowing has gone down. Tells you how high it was for
Bush.One thing you don't understand is that the value of the
dollar has nearly 0 effect within the United States. Yes, it does make imports
more costly, but it also increases exports. This is what China has been doing
for more than 20 years. Keeping its currency at low values to keeps its exports
high.A low value US Dollar will cause an increase of Jobs in the US
as manufacturing increases. Exports will increase which will lower the trade
deficit.Obama wants and has put forward a 4 to 1 cuts to spending
increase plan multiple times and each time, the Republicans are the ones that
are against it claiming no taxes.Now, if Republicans had agreed with
the 4 to 1 offer last summer, the deficit this year would have been less than
$250B. This would have dropped to $175B next year and dropped each year after
and we would have returned to a surplus in 2017. No Republican plan ever has us
returning to a surplus, ever.
To LDS Liberal: Archie Bunker was a strong union guy. He would not be welcome in
Compromise is better than standing your ground? We teach our kids
otherwise:If your boyfriend/girlfriend is pressuring you to have
sex, do we say "compromise" or "stand your ground"?If someone is pushing you to take illegal drugs...?If you are
being assaulted...?If your family is about to be destroyed...?
(compromise as in: Just leave me my firstborn, you can have the rest?)I think you can all see how silly this is. Well I love my country
too, and when people are trying to destroy it, I will indeed stand my ground, as
every good soldier should. NO STANDING DOWN even if the democrat leaders tell me
to.Exorbitant spending is an assault on this country, and the people
who do and will live here for generations to come. This must stop. No
compromise. No sacrificing my great great great great grandchildren to pay for
stupid programs today. And no more pretending a few more dollars from the rich
will stop the assault on the generations. It won't. We may have to tax
more, but that will never fix anything until spending is fixed. NO
compromise on spending cuts. STAND YOUR GROUND!!!
The problem is, Mr. Larsen is most definitely the exception to his party.In fact, judging by his letter, he appears to lean closer to
Independents or Democrats than to Republicans.Look at your
party's position on science, women's rights, economic recovery, birth
certificates, health care (in the 90s, Obamacare was your health care reform
bill. Now it isn't because your party has become so radicalized), and now
the fiscal cliff.The truth is, Mr. Larsen is very much the exception
to the rule. Most of your fellow repubs are the nutcakes who have been writing
Republicans need to find some "common ground"? First they need to find
some common sense. The republican rejection of the disability treaty is one of
many object lessons in their lack that. Threat to U.S. sovereignty? My ... my.
Sorry, all the President haters on this blog just live in a la la land..oh wait
that's Boehners line...sorry. However when did the Democrats last come to
the Repbulicans..let's see the top marginal tax rate use to be 91%, 50%
under Regan, now it's 35%. Full Social Security retirement use to be 65,
now it's graduated up through 67. Capital Gains taxes use to be 25% now
15%. The list actually goes on and on. Exorbitant spending must
stop...stand your ground. Annual deficit under Obama has gone down each year
and is projected to be under the Bush years by 2016...happy..I didn't think
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