Comments about ‘GOP 'fiscal cliff' plan echoes failed budget talks’

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Published: Tuesday, Dec. 4 2012 12:08 p.m. MST

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Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

I'm beginning to believe that this was all a ploy to paint us into a corner that would require us to take tax increases and allow Washington to raise the debt ceiling.
Neither party is serious about cutting costs. They begin by talking about Social Security cuts and throwing the poor under the bus.
Heaven forbid they cut salaries and pensions for federal workers. Or slash senate staffs (about $2 million a year per senator.)
Or stop sending child tax credits to illegal aliens.
They have no idea how to live within their means. And apparently they don't care.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

I have been waiting in vain for Obama and any Democrat to explain how we are going to pay for their ever expanding entitlements. So far, Obama has clamored for taxing the "rich" even more, but that will only increase revenues enough to run the government for less than 10 days. So please Democrats, tell us how we are going to pay for the other 355 entitlement days?

VST
Bountiful, UT

This is nothing more than "grandstanding theater" on both sides, so that when they finally get to the point of achieving a joint agreement, they can claim to their base supporters "we fought the good fight" but this is the best we can do under the circumstances of divided Government.

To do otherwise would give their respective base supporters the idea that they "caved in" to the other side.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

Watching the GOP and Obama go at it you really begin to wonder why people elected Obama. The GOP has a reasonable (not perfect) plan that will raise tax revenues, simplify the tax code, and start to fix entitlements, and Obama just keeps saying that we need to raise the rate. The rate doesn't matter much if there are so many loopholes that an increased rate can be negated. Cut the loopholes, and you effectively increase the tax rate.

xscribe
Colorado Springs, CO

VST is most likely correct. The republicans come to the table with the same plan that went nowhere before; Obama submits a ridiculous plan akin to a used car salesman, starting high and then go lower if needed. Here's a novel thought: Compromise! And don't leave the table until both sides give up a few things!

xscribe
Colorado Springs, CO

@Redshirt: Is that an unbaised opinion? Can I assume you are a Democrat? Or would that be a biased opinion as something other than a democrat?

@Mountanman and Redshirt: Can I assume you have always opted out of the child tax credit and student loans and any of the other entitlements people don't really think about? If you have used these, then one would have to start questioning your credibility. Unless you believe those entitlements are okay, but others are not.

Redshirt1701
Deep Space 9, Ut

To "xscribe" you can assume whatever you want about me. Odds are you are wrong because I have seen your ilk trolling these pages for a long time.

As for my taxes, all I have to say is that I follow the example of Obama, George Sorros, and Warren Buffett. They claim that the wealthy should pay more in taxes, yet year after year pay only what the they are required to by law after taking all of the tax breakes available.

xscribe
Colorado Springs, CO

Now I'm ilk and trolling pages? Apparently you do not do the same.

I agree with you: You take advantage of the tax breaks you are "entitled" to take, i.e., the child deduction. That is a government entitlement. Your argument can be applied to everyone who takes advantage of certain government entitlements. How about we get rid of all of them, not just the ones you get to take advantage of?

xscribe
Colorado Springs, CO

That should read, How about we get rid of all the ones you get to take advantage of, not just the ones you don't like: Child deduction, home mortgage deduction, etc.?

worf
Mcallen, TX

Short term memory & things forgotten:

* Benghazi
* simplifying the tax code
* national champions a year ago
* Merry Christmas
* Constitution
* three month summer vacation
* Revolutionary War
* fast & furious
* Children bringing a lunchbox to school
* Twenty cent a gallon gas
* fifteen cent hamburger
* balanced federal budget
* children having both a dad and mom to come home to
* school emphasizing learning over testing
* political leaders being trustworthy, and truthful

America is great, when America is good!

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

@worf
curiosity question Worf, who exactly do you believe was the last "trustworthy" politician?

worf
Mcallen, TX

Tolstoy,

There are varying degrees of trustworthy. With that, I'd say George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, John Kennedy, and Ronald Reagan. They are on the upper end of the scale. For you, the last one is Ronald Reagan.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

@ worf Thomas Jefferson had affairs with his slaves,
John Kennedy had Affairs,
and Ronald Reagan had Iran Contra and trickle down, Trickle down being the biggest legacy we are still trying to right.

America is great.
When we aren't deluding ourselves with fantastical visions of the past.

worf
Mcallen, TX

Happy Valley Heretic,

Ted Kennedy, Nancy Polosi, Hairy Reed, Barry Obama.--Nothing trickling down from these people, and we still face economic uncertainty. Why don't liberals complain of these folks being greedy like they do Romney?

Twisting, and spinning facts can fool alot of people:

* Thomas Jefferson is not here to defend himself from the spins of liberals.
* John Kennedy was a patriot who would give his life for the country
* Ronald Reagan knew the backbone of our economics laid with the rich, and didn't condemn hard work, and success as greed.

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