Published: Tuesday, Dec. 4 2012 12:00 a.m. MST
Patricia, your letter is hyper-simplistic conservative whining based on right
wing sour grapes about why Republicans lost as much as they did last month.Until you see Americans as more than "takers" vs.
"makers," you won't be able make a meaningful contribution to the
debate about federal budget priorities.
This is a common refrain but I am guessing that Mrs. Sorensen has no idea how
many people are using these programs as a temporary help vs. how many are
abusing them. I don't want to pay for people's abuse of the system
either, but I am not going to judge anyone without knowing their individual
circumstances. Mrs. Sorensen doesn't sound like she knows anyone's
individual circumstances except her own. Her argument that the poor
live better than the global average leaves me a bit cold. I suppose that since
you have a microwave rather than squatting in the dirt around a fire, you
couldn't possibly have other needs. Sorry, Mrs. Sorenson, owning a
microwave and TV doesn't mean you are abusing the food stamp system. Or
that you can afford medical expenses. This is the same diseased thinking that
leads to First World corporations who employ Third World people in sweatshops to
claim "hey, the working conditions are bad and the pay is worse &
I'd never put up with it, but it's better than they are used to".
It is the difference between a hand out and a hand up. This is so obvious that
it needs little discussion.
Gaming the system is the newest and fastest growing occupation in America. The
facts tell the truth; the number of people receiving disability payments from
S.S. has doubled in the last 10 years. Either the gamers have figured out how to
scam the system or the work places of America have suddenly and mysteriously
become very dangerous. More people are receiving some kind of aid from the
government today than at any time in our history. Its difficult to argue with
facts but it sure wins elections! We taxpayers better shut up and get to work
and sign on to more tax increases because the gamers (victims) are depending on
you! That, in a nut shell, is the message from Obama. More gamers=more Democrat
Patricia's class warfare was used by the repubs in the last election, it
has been debunked countless times by experts, and this hate agenda was clearly
rejected a few weeks ago.More sour grapes from the right. Nothing
new here.People like Patricia don't use facts to back up their
opinions. No matter what we tell her she'll still believe what she wants to
People who write letters like this are usually quite ignorant of the facts.
Excellent response Emajor. I would add that what Mrs. Sorensen doesn't
understand, is that the vast majority of those who get food stamps, and medicade
do have jobs. They are workers. They simply work for the likes of those on
this blog who brag about being job creators but don't pay a living wage and
don't give any benefits.By the way Mrs. Sorensen when you work
but don't earn a living wage, you can scrape together $150 for a microwave
on a one time basis, but you can't put together $500 each month for health
insurance. That's the difference. PS. The second you mentioned
Obama phones you lost all credability with the knowing.
Two-thirds of Medicaid funds are spent on seniors in nursing homes. They would
surely get out of their beds and get a job if our socialistic president
hadn't forced them to become dependent on government handouts.
Medicaid is a band-aid that became necessary because this nation would not
provide universal health care as other advanced nations have long done. There
are some that need it on a temporary basis, there are some that have abused
it,(but very few) and there are some that have chronic medical conditions and
disabilities that preclude them from working and obtaining private health
insurance. Since it is largely administered by the state government,
medicaid's competence to meet medical needs is affected by the political
orientation of each state.In Utah, no matter what your health needs
are, it is almost impossible to obtain Medicaid if you happen to be male, and
not easy if you are female. It will be interesting to see if this right wing
republican dominated state will opt for the expansion of Medicaid under the ACA.
As hard as right wing Utah government is to the plight of the poor
and disadvantaged, and suspicious of their motives, I bet they opt out.
I have an idea for Patricia... How about instead of complaining she actually
does something about her (imaginary) problem? How about she starts
up her own business, employs (legal) American workers, and pays them 50k+ per
year plus benefits? That way, folks wouldn't have to rely on
"government handouts" to pay for food or receive basic health care. That
way, her employees could contribute something to society instead of being
"takers." That way, Patricia would be contributing to society something
other than hateful and bitter letters which make excuses for why Mitt Romney
The writer points out that there are those who truly need and should be helped,
and there are also those who are clueless leaches, and a whole lot of welfare
people somewhere in between. So is it wrong to try to root out the ones who
should and could be working and are not?By the way, my
hypersensitive democrat friends, a free phone is one of the programs welfare
people get, but it was not the writer who instantly jumped to Obamaphones, it
was one of you.Obamaphones, Obamaphones, Obamaphones! I know
it's embarrassing, even if no one actually says it, but until you stop
supporting the Obamaphone lady mentality, you will continue to be so sensitive,
that soon you won't even be able to see someone in business clothes talking
on a cell phone without thinking, "That nasty successful person said
Obamaphone to me!"
Chris, I sure get a kick out of people who believe in the Obamaphone myth.Actually, it's a program that was started by Ronald Reagan, but is
not paid for with government funds.Here's a clip from
Politifact: Q: Has the Obama administration started a program to use
"taxpayer money" to give free cell phones to welfare recipients?A: No. Low-income households have been eligible for discounted telephone
service for more than a decade. But the program is funded by telecom companies,
not by taxes, and the president has nothing to do with it. Why
can't people on the right seem to make an effort to learn the truth before
posting comments? Perhaps it's because it's true that Truth Has A
Don't be surprised, It's people who think like this that will
one day fully support "Death Panels".There only 2 ways to
end hunger, pain or suffering - 1. Feed, Clothe, and healor2. Put them quickly out of their misery.The letter reminds me of
story great story told and re-told this time of year -- A Christmas
Carolby Charles Dickens[Are there no prisons? are there
no workhouses? If they'd rather die, then they had better do it and
decrease the surplus population!]Merry Christmas Ms. Scrooge.FYI - Beware - The Nazis chose the latter for their "final
solution" to the same problem.
Those who earn seven or even eight figures per year for doing nothing but
sitting on a board or heading up a company are the real takers. They
haven't "earned" anything, they are merely taking from the people
in the companies who are the actual producers. It's completely
backwards to think otherwise.
I always wonder what would have happened if we had taken the money spent on the
war on Iraq and instead invested it in created job and education programs across
the united states. To the tune of BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of dollars.I
wonder what would have happened.
I agree with only one statement made by Patricia: "Nothing in life is free
for anyone who works for a living, only those who choose to live on others'
hard work get things for free." Like, for instance, Mitt Romney and other
wealthy investors who do not produce a product but reap huge windfalls from the
work of productive people. Mitt made what, $20 million, in 2011? While doing
what? Running for president. He's obviously a taker, since he didn't
really produce anything.
Which jobs would those be, Patricia? Are your going to require "job
creators" to hire unqualified people and then train them? Or do the
potential workers (who currently have no job and no money) need to be retrained
"When the takers outnumber the workers, where we will be?"Patricia Sorensen============== We're aleady
there.1% are takers who produce nothing, yet own 80% of the wealth,99% are the makers who actully do the production, and fight over the remaining
scraps off the table.Other "Takers" would be like WalMart,
or WallStreet, Bankers, Money Changers.while the true "The Makers"
- are dying in factory fires in Pakistan and Bangladesh or jumping out of
factory buildings in China.But keep symbolically washing your hands
of their blood, or blaming Obama if it makes you feel better and helps you sleep
Many of you are missing the point! More taxes will not help, unless we cut
government spending! Giving the government more money is like giving an
alcoholic more booze to cure his addiction, it won't help! We will never
tax our way out of this mess! The government is like a 500 pound gorilla that
demands and consumes ever more of the efforts of those who are called upon to
feed it, it cannot go on much longer.
Like Hostess -- The BAKERS were the Makers, The CEOs and
Executives in Office making bad business decisions were the "Takers".But keep blaming the Unions for running a 100 year old Company into the
ground.[Funny, these same Folks blame the executive in government
Office [Pres. Obama] for every ill in the entire Country, but can't seem to
be able to make the same sort of connection and accountablity with Business
Executives. the hypocriasy and dis-connect is truely Amazing!]
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