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Published: Tuesday, Dec. 4 2012 12:00 a.m. MST

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Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

Patricia, your letter is hyper-simplistic conservative whining based on right wing sour grapes about why Republicans lost as much as they did last month.

Until you see Americans as more than "takers" vs. "makers," you won't be able make a meaningful contribution to the debate about federal budget priorities.

Emajor
Ogden, UT

This is a common refrain but I am guessing that Mrs. Sorensen has no idea how many people are using these programs as a temporary help vs. how many are abusing them. I don't want to pay for people's abuse of the system either, but I am not going to judge anyone without knowing their individual circumstances. Mrs. Sorensen doesn't sound like she knows anyone's individual circumstances except her own.

Her argument that the poor live better than the global average leaves me a bit cold. I suppose that since you have a microwave rather than squatting in the dirt around a fire, you couldn't possibly have other needs. Sorry, Mrs. Sorenson, owning a microwave and TV doesn't mean you are abusing the food stamp system. Or that you can afford medical expenses. This is the same diseased thinking that leads to First World corporations who employ Third World people in sweatshops to claim "hey, the working conditions are bad and the pay is worse & I'd never put up with it, but it's better than they are used to".

Hemlock
Salt Lake City, UT

It is the difference between a hand out and a hand up. This is so obvious that it needs little discussion.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Gaming the system is the newest and fastest growing occupation in America. The facts tell the truth; the number of people receiving disability payments from S.S. has doubled in the last 10 years. Either the gamers have figured out how to scam the system or the work places of America have suddenly and mysteriously become very dangerous. More people are receiving some kind of aid from the government today than at any time in our history. Its difficult to argue with facts but it sure wins elections! We taxpayers better shut up and get to work and sign on to more tax increases because the gamers (victims) are depending on you! That, in a nut shell, is the message from Obama. More gamers=more Democrat voters!

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Patricia's class warfare was used by the repubs in the last election, it has been debunked countless times by experts, and this hate agenda was clearly rejected a few weeks ago.

More sour grapes from the right. Nothing new here.

People like Patricia don't use facts to back up their opinions. No matter what we tell her she'll still believe what she wants to believe.

one old man
Ogden, UT

People who write letters like this are usually quite ignorant of the facts.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

Excellent response Emajor. I would add that what Mrs. Sorensen doesn't understand, is that the vast majority of those who get food stamps, and medicade do have jobs. They are workers. They simply work for the likes of those on this blog who brag about being job creators but don't pay a living wage and don't give any benefits.

By the way Mrs. Sorensen when you work but don't earn a living wage, you can scrape together $150 for a microwave on a one time basis, but you can't put together $500 each month for health insurance. That's the difference.

PS. The second you mentioned Obama phones you lost all credability with the knowing.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Two-thirds of Medicaid funds are spent on seniors in nursing homes. They would surely get out of their beds and get a job if our socialistic president hadn't forced them to become dependent on government handouts.

Mike in Cedar City
Cedar City, Utah

Medicaid is a band-aid that became necessary because this nation would not provide universal health care as other advanced nations have long done. There are some that need it on a temporary basis, there are some that have abused it,(but very few) and there are some that have chronic medical conditions and disabilities that preclude them from working and obtaining private health insurance. Since it is largely administered by the state government, medicaid's competence to meet medical needs is affected by the political orientation of each state.

In Utah, no matter what your health needs are, it is almost impossible to obtain Medicaid if you happen to be male, and not easy if you are female. It will be interesting to see if this right wing republican dominated state will opt for the expansion of Medicaid under the ACA.

As hard as right wing Utah government is to the plight of the poor and disadvantaged, and suspicious of their motives, I bet they opt out.

Henderson
Orem, UT

I have an idea for Patricia... How about instead of complaining she actually does something about her (imaginary) problem?

How about she starts up her own business, employs (legal) American workers, and pays them 50k+ per year plus benefits?

That way, folks wouldn't have to rely on "government handouts" to pay for food or receive basic health care. That way, her employees could contribute something to society instead of being "takers." That way, Patricia would be contributing to society something other than hateful and bitter letters which make excuses for why Mitt Romney lost.

Christian 24-7
Murray, UT

The writer points out that there are those who truly need and should be helped, and there are also those who are clueless leaches, and a whole lot of welfare people somewhere in between. So is it wrong to try to root out the ones who should and could be working and are not?

By the way, my hypersensitive democrat friends, a free phone is one of the programs welfare people get, but it was not the writer who instantly jumped to Obamaphones, it was one of you.

Obamaphones, Obamaphones, Obamaphones! I know it's embarrassing, even if no one actually says it, but until you stop supporting the Obamaphone lady mentality, you will continue to be so sensitive, that soon you won't even be able to see someone in business clothes talking on a cell phone without thinking, "That nasty successful person said Obamaphone to me!"

one old man
Ogden, UT

Chris, I sure get a kick out of people who believe in the Obamaphone myth.

Actually, it's a program that was started by Ronald Reagan, but is not paid for with government funds.

Here's a clip from Politifact: Q: Has the Obama administration started a program to use "taxpayer money" to give free cell phones to welfare recipients?

A: No. Low-income households have been eligible for discounted telephone service for more than a decade. But the program is funded by telecom companies, not by taxes, and the president has nothing to do with it.

Why can't people on the right seem to make an effort to learn the truth before posting comments? Perhaps it's because it's true that Truth Has A Liberal Bias.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Don't be surprised,
It's people who think like this that will one day fully support "Death Panels".

There only 2 ways to end hunger, pain or suffering -

1. Feed, Clothe, and heal
or
2. Put them quickly out of their misery.

The letter reminds me of story great story told and re-told this time of year --

A Christmas Carol
by
Charles Dickens

[Are there no prisons? are there no workhouses?
If they'd rather die, then they had better do it and decrease the surplus population!]

Merry Christmas Ms. Scrooge.

FYI - Beware - The Nazis chose the latter for their "final solution" to the same problem.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

Those who earn seven or even eight figures per year for doing nothing but sitting on a board or heading up a company are the real takers. They haven't "earned" anything, they are merely taking from the people in the companies who are the actual producers.
It's completely backwards to think otherwise.

Midvaliean
MIDVALE, UT

I always wonder what would have happened if we had taken the money spent on the war on Iraq and instead invested it in created job and education programs across the united states. To the tune of BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of dollars.
I wonder what would have happened.

Kent C. DeForrest
Provo, UT

I agree with only one statement made by Patricia: "Nothing in life is free for anyone who works for a living, only those who choose to live on others' hard work get things for free." Like, for instance, Mitt Romney and other wealthy investors who do not produce a product but reap huge windfalls from the work of productive people. Mitt made what, $20 million, in 2011? While doing what? Running for president. He's obviously a taker, since he didn't really produce anything.

GZE
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Which jobs would those be, Patricia? Are your going to require "job creators" to hire unqualified people and then train them? Or do the potential workers (who currently have no job and no money) need to be retrained first?

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

"When the takers outnumber the workers, where we will be?"

Patricia Sorensen

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We're aleady there.
1% are takers who produce nothing, yet own 80% of the wealth,
99% are the makers who actully do the production, and fight over the remaining scraps off the table.

Other "Takers" would be like WalMart, or WallStreet, Bankers, Money Changers.
while the true "The Makers" - are dying in factory fires in Pakistan and Bangladesh or jumping out of factory buildings in China.

But keep symbolically washing your hands of their blood, or blaming Obama if it makes you feel better and helps you sleep at night.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Many of you are missing the point! More taxes will not help, unless we cut government spending! Giving the government more money is like giving an alcoholic more booze to cure his addiction, it won't help! We will never tax our way out of this mess! The government is like a 500 pound gorilla that demands and consumes ever more of the efforts of those who are called upon to feed it, it cannot go on much longer.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Like Hostess --

The BAKERS were the Makers,
The CEOs and Executives in Office making bad business decisions were the "Takers".

But keep blaming the Unions for running a 100 year old Company into the ground.

[Funny, these same Folks blame the executive in government Office [Pres. Obama] for every ill in the entire Country, but can't seem to be able to make the same sort of connection and accountablity with Business Executives. the hypocriasy and dis-connect is truely Amazing!]

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