Education is like eating. They're both needed investments.Excessive junk education is not healthy. It's not more time in a
classroom, but quality teaching, and learning. Giving our students, and teachers
some independence would go a long way.They don't need an
excessive amount of micro-managing.
Correction: I would like to more investment in teachers to cut down class sizes
and more money to increase salaries of teachers...
This approach reminds me of the old joke about the accountant who tells his boss
that the company is actually losing $10 on each product they sell. The boss
thinks for a minute and says "That's OK, we'll make it up on
Andrew Marksen,Union thinking??? The union has nothing to do with
this article. These are bureaucratic mandates driven by policymakers.
While I think investing in schools is a necessity, I think this is generally a
bad idea. I would like more money invested in teachers to cut down salaries, in
teacher salaries to cut down on the constant shuffling of teachers in out and
out of our schools plus maybe it could attract the ever increased endangered
species of teaching--the male teacher, and technology. I also
believe much education happens outside the classroom. I do work with my
children. I do value education and what happens in schools, but I also value my
time with my children to augment their learning through travel, through museum
visits, through dinner table conversation, through other enriching activities.
Making the school day longer or school year longer cuts into these things. There is this concept of diminishing returns. Many of good/great
athletic coaches have the mantra about practice saying "if it doesn't
get done in two hours, it isn't going to get done." The educational
day and year is long enough for most, we just need to make the time more
valuable. Making it longer might actually hurt rather than help.
i suspect if we closed the summer learning-retension loss, our kid's
education would improve dramatically. I suppose longer school days could prepare
the kids for an 8 hour work day. Of course kids should get sick leave and paid
vacation days too. :)
Orem Parent: The problem is we are not going to be able to get every parent
involved in their child's life. There is no amount of legislation that
would work. Some kids wont get any help at home, nor will there be any pressure
to do any of their homework. For these kids more time in school would help.
Maybe it isn't a cure all but I for one think it might help.
I certainly view a large percentage of school time as "incarceration."
The disdain toward the current school system is well-earned.
Instead of longer class time, I would suggest the addition of teachers aides who
are qualified and tested with an exam, to prove they have the knowledge to
assist certified teachers. They would help students in small groups who are
slower learners. Today, teachers aides are not always used in productive ways.
They cut out craft projects, make copies of workbook and coloring sheets, or
whatever the teacher needs. Some are used in teaching assignments, although
there is no guarantee they have any knowledge of the subject. They do not need
a college degree, even a GED would work if they pass the exam. The exam could
be oral and/or written. This is a good job for college students training to
Over the years, students can't work due to labor rules during many times of
the year due to laws. Sport and extra-curricular activities are being cut due
to budget concerns. Education comes in many forms. What it appears these
highly liberal states are doing is trying to make "education" become
like the liberal countries of the world. School is important but parents need
to show and be a part of children's lives. Parents in some of these states
have passed parental responsibility to the state. Parents and Teachers
including Administration need to be involved together but not increasing the
hours. Students need a well-rounded life and the currciulum in school is pretty
intense and adding 1-2 more months of schooling will cut that out. The parents
should not put all their eggs into the state's responsibility basket. Both parents work outside the home in a lot of cases so there is an
issue for day-care and needing to be at work when children are off during the
summer. That gives those parents an opportunity to not have to be responsible
for those extra weeks during the summer. More lunches and
breakfasts for eligible children, also.
Longer definitely does not mean they will get a better education! Fix
what's wrong in the education system right now!! 1. Teachers
feeling like they have to teach to the test instead of teaching to the
children.2. Over crowded classrooms.3. Outdated curriculum.4.
Dead weight teachers/administrators that just plain don't care, so they
don't teach!5. Oh there are more!!!Tackle just one of
these or other issues at a time and solve it permanently and you'll be on
the right track. As the mother of 5 children with the last one going through the
public school system in this country I can tell you I am so glad my sentence is
almost over! I've been fortunate that my kids have done well in spite of
the inadequacies in our public school system. Parents have to make up the
difference when the teachers lack resources. That is the only way my kids got
through. We got involved and supplemented learning at home. 5 kids 1 college
grad/3 attending college/1 in high school.
This is nothing more than outdated Union thinking. More hours do not translate
into higher performance. More money does not equal better performance. We need
to actually teach our children the knowledge that makes them competitive, and
hold them accountable. I would suggest something radical like no more passing
students to keep them moving. Hold them accountable along with their parents.
School in many parts of the U.S. have become nothing more than glorified daycare
centers. When you compare the countries that routinely outperform the U.S. there
are two very stark contrasts. Money and time do not equal success when
accountability is sacrificed for political correctness. There is nothing
discriminatory about demanding that every kid understand 2+2=4, how
Bernoulli's Principle works, or how to speak correctly.
Let's see:* Hour and a half--getting up, dressed, breakfast,
and traveling to school* Seven and a half hours at school* An hour
to get home, and settled* An hour of mandatory homework.Five
days a week, equals fifty five hours, unless there's other school
programs.Hmmm? I guess there's more time for children to be
micro managed. Thomas Edison would have loved this.
"Our kids don't need to be incarcerated for longer periods of
time.""Incarceration" ?That is how you view
school?The leading countries when we look at education accomplish
great results in different ways.In Finland, the school day is shorter. In
Korea, it is longer.In Finland, the teachers all have masters and
only the top 10-15% of applicants are accepted.There appears to not
be any single right answer.However, disdain for schools probably
At least half of classroom time is wasted already just getting 35 kids quiet at
the same time. Kids need more time to learn but not more time in
mass groups being bored. Invert the teaching methods using online curriculum to
teach and teachers in school to help explain work exercises in 1:1 interaction
DEFINITELY the wrong move. The highest performing schools have less classroom
than the US already. All this is doing is locking up the kids for longer
periods of time. They need to learn outside of the classroom just as much as
they do inside. All we need for our achievement levels to improve is to have
parents that care and take an interest in their child's education.The poor teachers are already doing more than their share for less than their
share of the pie when it comes to salaries. The burnout level amongst teachers
is at an all time high. Just go look at you public school and see how many of
the teachers have been there longer than 10 years. You won't find many.A longer school day is one of the biggest mistakes our country could
make. Our kids don't need to be incarcerated for longer periods of time.
They need their freedom and chances to explore.Take a page out of
the books of the countries that are achieving the most. Less school time and
better pay in order to attract the best candidates to teach in our schools.