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Published: Monday, Dec. 3 2012 5:41 p.m. MST

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Orem Parent
Orem, UT

DEFINITELY the wrong move. The highest performing schools have less classroom than the US already. All this is doing is locking up the kids for longer periods of time. They need to learn outside of the classroom just as much as they do inside. All we need for our achievement levels to improve is to have parents that care and take an interest in their child's education.

The poor teachers are already doing more than their share for less than their share of the pie when it comes to salaries. The burnout level amongst teachers is at an all time high. Just go look at you public school and see how many of the teachers have been there longer than 10 years. You won't find many.

A longer school day is one of the biggest mistakes our country could make. Our kids don't need to be incarcerated for longer periods of time. They need their freedom and chances to explore.

Take a page out of the books of the countries that are achieving the most. Less school time and better pay in order to attract the best candidates to teach in our schools.

Screwdriver
Casa Grande, AZ

At least half of classroom time is wasted already just getting 35 kids quiet at the same time.

Kids need more time to learn but not more time in mass groups being bored. Invert the teaching methods using online curriculum to teach and teachers in school to help explain work exercises in 1:1 interaction at school.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"Our kids don't need to be incarcerated for longer periods of time."

"Incarceration" ?

That is how you view school?

The leading countries when we look at education accomplish great results in different ways.
In Finland, the school day is shorter. In Korea, it is longer.

In Finland, the teachers all have masters and only the top 10-15% of applicants are accepted.

There appears to not be any single right answer.
However, disdain for schools probably doesn't help.

worf
Mcallen, TX

Let's see:

* Hour and a half--getting up, dressed, breakfast, and traveling to school
* Seven and a half hours at school
* An hour to get home, and settled
* An hour of mandatory homework.

Five days a week, equals fifty five hours, unless there's other school programs.

Hmmm? I guess there's more time for children to be micro managed. Thomas Edison would have loved this.

Andrew J. Marksen
Deseret, UT

This is nothing more than outdated Union thinking. More hours do not translate into higher performance. More money does not equal better performance. We need to actually teach our children the knowledge that makes them competitive, and hold them accountable. I would suggest something radical like no more passing students to keep them moving. Hold them accountable along with their parents. School in many parts of the U.S. have become nothing more than glorified daycare centers. When you compare the countries that routinely outperform the U.S. there are two very stark contrasts. Money and time do not equal success when accountability is sacrificed for political correctness. There is nothing discriminatory about demanding that every kid understand 2+2=4, how Bernoulli's Principle works, or how to speak correctly.

WYOREADER
Gillette, WY

Longer definitely does not mean they will get a better education! Fix what's wrong in the education system right now!!

1. Teachers feeling like they have to teach to the test instead of teaching to the children.
2. Over crowded classrooms.
3. Outdated curriculum.
4. Dead weight teachers/administrators that just plain don't care, so they don't teach!
5. Oh there are more!!!

Tackle just one of these or other issues at a time and solve it permanently and you'll be on the right track. As the mother of 5 children with the last one going through the public school system in this country I can tell you I am so glad my sentence is almost over! I've been fortunate that my kids have done well in spite of the inadequacies in our public school system. Parents have to make up the difference when the teachers lack resources. That is the only way my kids got through. We got involved and supplemented learning at home. 5 kids 1 college grad/3 attending college/1 in high school.

JWB
Kaysville, UT

Over the years, students can't work due to labor rules during many times of the year due to laws. Sport and extra-curricular activities are being cut due to budget concerns. Education comes in many forms. What it appears these highly liberal states are doing is trying to make "education" become like the liberal countries of the world. School is important but parents need to show and be a part of children's lives. Parents in some of these states have passed parental responsibility to the state. Parents and Teachers including Administration need to be involved together but not increasing the hours. Students need a well-rounded life and the currciulum in school is pretty intense and adding 1-2 more months of schooling will cut that out. The parents should not put all their eggs into the state's responsibility basket.

Both parents work outside the home in a lot of cases so there is an issue for day-care and needing to be at work when children are off during the summer. That gives those parents an opportunity to not have to be responsible for those extra weeks during the summer.

More lunches and breakfasts for eligible children, also.

sally
Kearns, UT

Instead of longer class time, I would suggest the addition of teachers aides who are qualified and tested with an exam, to prove they have the knowledge to assist certified teachers. They would help students in small groups who are slower learners. Today, teachers aides are not always used in productive ways. They cut out craft projects, make copies of workbook and coloring sheets, or whatever the teacher needs. Some are used in teaching assignments, although there is no guarantee they have any knowledge of the subject. They do not need a college degree, even a GED would work if they pass the exam. The exam could be oral and/or written. This is a good job for college students training to become teachers.

PookyBear84010
KAYSVILLE, UT

I certainly view a large percentage of school time as "incarceration." The disdain toward the current school system is well-earned.

bricha
lehi, ut

Orem Parent: The problem is we are not going to be able to get every parent involved in their child's life. There is no amount of legislation that would work. Some kids wont get any help at home, nor will there be any pressure to do any of their homework. For these kids more time in school would help. Maybe it isn't a cure all but I for one think it might help.

raybies
Layton, UT

i suspect if we closed the summer learning-retension loss, our kid's education would improve dramatically. I suppose longer school days could prepare the kids for an 8 hour work day. Of course kids should get sick leave and paid vacation days too. :)

Howard Beal
Provo, UT

While I think investing in schools is a necessity, I think this is generally a bad idea. I would like more money invested in teachers to cut down salaries, in teacher salaries to cut down on the constant shuffling of teachers in out and out of our schools plus maybe it could attract the ever increased endangered species of teaching--the male teacher, and technology.

I also believe much education happens outside the classroom. I do work with my children. I do value education and what happens in schools, but I also value my time with my children to augment their learning through travel, through museum visits, through dinner table conversation, through other enriching activities. Making the school day longer or school year longer cuts into these things.

There is this concept of diminishing returns. Many of good/great athletic coaches have the mantra about practice saying "if it doesn't get done in two hours, it isn't going to get done." The educational day and year is long enough for most, we just need to make the time more valuable. Making it longer might actually hurt rather than help.

squirt
Taylorsville, ut

Andrew Marksen,

Union thinking??? The union has nothing to do with this article. These are bureaucratic mandates driven by policymakers.

CanuckFan
Vancouver, BC

This approach reminds me of the old joke about the accountant who tells his boss that the company is actually losing $10 on each product they sell. The boss thinks for a minute and says "That's OK, we'll make it up on volume!"

Howard Beal
Provo, UT

Correction: I would like to more investment in teachers to cut down class sizes and more money to increase salaries of teachers...

worf
Mcallen, TX

Education is like eating. They're both needed investments.

Excessive junk education is not healthy. It's not more time in a classroom, but quality teaching, and learning. Giving our students, and teachers some independence would go a long way.

They don't need an excessive amount of micro-managing.

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