lost in DC,One of the problems with trying to have an intelligent
discussion of the issues on this message board is that those like you on the far
right don't read other peoples posts. I didn't call republicans
stupid, evil or wrong on every count, nor did I call the democrats
benevolent,omniscient, kind, wise or God-like.Could we be honest and
admit that the President proposed over 600 billion in cuts (personally I would
like to see more). Could we also be honest and admit that the republicans have
not proposed any concrete tax increases and are using dynamic scoring of their
unnamed tax increases to get to their $800 million so they don't represent
real tax cuts.In terms of which party is divisive, could you explain
how the proposing tax increases that don't impact everyone exactly equally
is divisive, but the Bush tax cuts and the Reagan tax cuts which
disproportionately favored the wealthy were not divisive and did not represent
class warfare? I am registered republican, who would like to see
my party pull away from Grover Nordquist, the Koch brothers and the tea party,
and get back to middle class values.
Fred,your comments sounded like exactly what one would expect from MSNBC -
the repubs are evil, wrong on every count, stupid, unwilling to bend, etc ad
nasuem, while the dems are benevolent, omniscient, kind, wise, God-like, unable
to err etc ad naseum.BO has to propose some actual cuts he is
willing to accept - which he refuses to do. he has called for INCREASED
spending of at least $100 million. How can any reasonable person (which
excludes those who watch MSNBC) say BO is serious in his negotiations when he is
calling for INCREASES in spending rather than cuts all others agree need to be
part of the solution.Actually, I look forward to MORE repub
obstructionsim. The more they can prevent BO from driving us off a cliff or
into a trainwreck, the better.Repub divisiveness? Which candidate
made class-warfare a central theme of his campaign and even BRAGGED about it?
Hint - he was the incumbent POTUS and the dem nominee.It's time
for America to quit listening to the dem propaganda machine.
lost in DC,Sorry don't watch MSNBC. Maybe you are unaware of
how negotiations work, one person puts a proposal on the table the other side
then counters with a proposal and then they work toward something both sides can
agree to.The republican version of negotiations is to throw out
"ideas" ex. "we will close some loopholes" when pressed for
which ones and how much they don't respond. Then when the other side puts
out a proposal with real numbers that you don't like, you laugh and say the
other side isn't serious, and they still don't put a proposal on the
table. The republicans think losing means that the winner should come to them
with proposals that they will agree to. The republicans can blame
whoever they want, but the reality is a growing number of Americans inside and
outside of Utah are tired of the republicans obstructionism and divisiveness.
Look at the polls more and more Americans are blaming republicans for us being
on the financial cliff. Even Bill Crystal (Fox News) thinks they are stupid.
It is time for republicans to quit listening to talk radio and start listening
Washington thinks we are stupid.Sequestration was set in motion in
November of last year. And the politicians either thought the problems would go
away or that someone else would have to deal with it.Well, it is time to
pay the piper House, Senate and Obama.It's no surprise that the
status quo in Washington is acting just like they did before the election.
Furry, FredToo much MSNBC for you! The repubs HAVE put revenue increases
on the table and shown a willingness to compromise. Why is BO holding tax cuts
for the middle and lower income earners hostage and risking an economic collapse
as a result of the fiscal cliff purely for political points?
Republicans have to stop using "political math" and say how much they
are willing to raise tax rates on the wealthiest 2 percent of Americans and then
specify the spending cuts they want, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner said in an
interview that aired Sunday.Why is there no paragraph reading
"Democrats have to stop using "political math" and say how much they
are spending they are willing to cut, and then specify the taxes they want to
Could Obama be correct? Borrow, print, and tax our way to prosperity?
Deuce,The republicans won't put a specific plan on the table,
and then they "laughed" at the Presidents plan and still had no
alternative. How can you "work" with people who have no plan, no
willingness to compromise. The President offered more tax increases than the
republicans wanted and less in the way of entitlement reform. Are we surprised
by that? I am not. So if the republicans were serious wouldn't the
provide a plan that had less in new taxes and more in entitlement reform, and
then sit down with the President and democrats and settle in the middle. The republicans seem to be very confused, they lost the Presidency, they
lost seats in the House and the Senate and yet they seem to think the American
people gave them a mandate. The President is going around the country selling
his plan, and the republicans are doing what? Telling Fox News that they are
right. Even some of the Fox guys are buying it any more.The
republicans seem incapable of learning. They lost, America wants more than
protection for the top 2% of wage earners in the country and bowing to the
radicals in the tea party.
Unless and until the Repubicans put forward a sane and reasonable plan which
includes both tax and revenue increase and spending decrease (which to date they
have refused to do), the President has nothing to work with. It's time for
the Republicans to step up to the plate.
Why is the President not in Washington working with both sides to get something
done? Again, he is out on the campaign trail. We did not vote for a President to
make speeches. We want someone who will get to work for America. If Pres. Obama
cannot or does not know how to do this, step down and let the next man/woman
give it a try. We cannot do any worse.