Kind of hard to comment on so many posts with one post.First off,
people should understand that Republicans are socialists as well, they are just
fascist socialists instead of just socialists as the Democrats are.Second, equating people who FREE WILLINGLY join a society and give of their
assets and future work for the welfare of all is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than
socialism which uses FORCE to take from its citizenry. In America, we live in a
fascist socialist society - we stopped being what we are TOLD we are still are
long ago. $88 Trillion dollar deficit? Try doubling that, and then
add another $50 Trillion dollars. %220 Trillion dollars is the true figure.
Adding to the deficit will not go to our children and grandchildren, it will
cause a financial collapse for everyone in the country and most other parts of
the world in the fairly near future. Bank on it and do something about it.
Your government leaders won't do anything about it but declare martial law,
and make everyone slaves "for the people's sake".Why is
everyone cheering for the status quo from either of the main political parties?
@DN SubscriberCottonwood Heights, UT7:22 p.m. Dec. 2, 2012That socialist approach has never worked- from Plymouth Colony to the Soviet
Union. =============You are forgetting the Garden of
Eden,The City of Enoch, the Chilren of Israel, 1st century
Christians, 1st century Nephites/LamanitesJoseph Smith & Brigham
Young, and of course Plymouth to the USSR as you mentioned.The
principles are sound and work better than any other.They were implemented
by Christ himself.It's prideful, greedy people [followers of
Lucifer] who make it fail.Get the failure right -- You
can blame the people, but you Can't blame the Principle.
DN SubscriberCottonwood Heights, UTTax food if the state needs the
money.========== Utah state legilature just bragged
about an $85 Million surplus.So, you must for DROPPING the food
tax.BTW - as an anti-tax Conservative, why do you constatntly
support ANY additional and un-necessary tax at all?You see, this is
were I lose you people.You say Don't tax the uber-wealthy 1%,
but are just fine Sticking it to the poor, the needy and the truly
hungry.I don't get it?
"a socialist transfer of wealth from rest of the people who pay taxes to
give money (even if it is a rebate) to someone else."DN
subscriberIs it also socialistic to force people without children to
pay a tax to fund schools?
With 600,000 K-12 public ed students it would take a tax increase of $600
Million to make a dent in the rankings to move Utah up from last in some ratios
to the next to the last. That isn't going to happen. We could add more
targetted resources that would help but those harping on some magic ratio should
care more about the results.
Tax food if the state needs the money. However, forget about rebating some of
it to "the poor" as some sort of rebate or tax credit. That is not
fairness, but simply a socialist transfer of wealth from rest of the people who
pay taxes to give money (even if it is a rebate) to someone else.The
democrat class warfare attacks have worked well, and from now on, everyone who
makes a dollar more than anyone else will be vilified as "evil rich" and
demanded to pay "their fair share," until everyone has nothing.That socialist approach has never worked- from Plymouth Colony to the Soviet
Union. Since the government is now confiscating wealth for
redistribution, I will no longer give to charities. I've already paid, and
paid and paid. My first obligation is to support myself and my family, and when
(not if) our economy collapses from unsustainable spending, I need to ensure
that we can survive ourselves. At that point I will feel sorry for the Obama
voters, but they are not my problem, they endorsed his destruction of our
country and it economic base.
The reason for lowering the overall tax rate is only to benefit those
individuals and companies who sell big ticket items. Those companies who sell
products like cars, trucks, RVs, boats, furniture, and such like can see their
products suddenly become hundreds of dollars more affordable. Our state
representatives are heavily lobbied and rewarded with campaign contributions
from such individuals. Two years ago they wanted to lower the tax rate overall
and fund education. Now they want to give rebates which, of course, will be
harder to use. The real question is whether or not a food tax is a stable base.
What happens when inflation occurs like we had two years ago? And do we really
need more revenue when we had a surplus this year? In Colorado the sales tax
rate is 2.9% with no tax on food or prescriptions. They were able to accomplish
this through a booming economy. Utah will be in a similar position. We have
many new job openings and people coming in to our state, which, of course, will
create more tax revenue. Utah should really be looking at completely eliminating
food tax like 30 other state have already done.
Sorry Mr. Webb, there is no complexity to the problem in education. We relied
on our homogeneous population and generally favorable family involvement to
elevate our test scores in past generations while over time starving education.
Now the demographics are changing and parents have less time to work with their
children. The shaky foundation of our education has become exposed. Schools
need more funding. Class sizes are enormous, teachers are underpaid and
overworked. The Republicans control the legislature and have for a generation.
It is up to them and only them to decide whether Utah's educational
fortunes will be changed.
Funny -- Utah Republicans squeal like stuck pigs about the prospect
of the uber-wealthy 1-2% facing a tax increase, and salavate at the
idea of stinking it to the poor, the needy and everyone else over a life
necessity such as a FOOD tax!The hypocriasy with Utah Republicans is
Until Utah adequately funds public education, there will be minimal gains. Our
class sizes are off the charts as a result of unfunded growth for two years.As a teacher, I am completely sick and tired of folks expecting us to do
more this less than any other state in this country, then they tell us how
efficient we are while at the same time slamming the teachers for not doing
enough.SHAME on Utah.
People that are working, but struggling to have enough money to pay bills often
target a mortgage/rent, utilities, transportation and then food. When someone walks into a store with $3 left to buy food, you don't tell
them it is OK they don't have enough money to buy milk or chicken, they
will get $80 at the end of the year. Raising the tax on food
increases the number of people needing help from the community, church or
government and is the wrong thing to do.The majority republicans and
democrats in the state house correctly fought the idea of raising the price on
food 2 years ago, despite it passing in the senate. That bill was to lower the
overall rate to make up for the food tax matching everything else. While that
idea was terrible in a recession and especially hard on fixed income, it
isn't as bad as the idea being tossed on in the senate this year. I respect
the sponsor, but not the bill.Even today, there are people that
don't have enough money to buy food, but are managing to stay off the food
stamps and other helps, but just barely.
Would someone please explain to me what purpose is served in increasing the
sales tax on food and then lowering overall tax rates to make the increase