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Published: Thursday, Nov. 29 2012 12:00 a.m. MST

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J Thompson

The people voted for Representatives who opposed Obama's tax and spend agenda. The Representatives approve ALL spending. If this election has proven anything, it has proven that the PEOPLE put their trust in a conservative House, a House that opposes Obama.

Obama can't legislate. His job is to enforce the laws passed by Congress. The Constitution clearly specifies that all spending bills MUST originate in the House. The Senate CAN. concur, but it is not necessary.

Obama cannot wrie budget legislation. The Senate cannot write budget legislation. The people selected a Republican House that opposes both Obama and Reid.

Now Obama is wasting taxpayers money by flying around the Country telling the people how stupid they were for voting for Rebuplicans. When will he learn that the campaign is over? When will he learn that we didn't hire him to fly around the Country?

Sandy, UT

But until you start limiting the ability of a very few to purchase our leadership this will go on and on. The well being of our nation is determined by the well being of the middle class not a very few.

liberal larry
salt lake City, utah

There is no economical evidence that very low taxes on the top few zillionaires is good for the country, and economy. In fact since the Bush tax cuts, the economy has been in shambles!

The Republicans have really run out of solutions to govern this country, we tried being very militarily aggressive, and cutting taxes, and it just hasn't worked out.

The Republicans were shocked by results of the elections because they have become increasingly out of touch in the Fox information bubble. They need to start listening to NPR and CBS, and get back to the rational middle!


UT Senator Mike Lee recently discussed tax cuts for upper levels of income on Mike Huckabee's radio program:

"LEE: People need to understand that the reason we worry about raising taxes on anyone – even raising taxes on the rich – it’s not that we’re looking out for the rich, it’s not that we’re concerned that the rich won’t be able to fend for themselves, because they will. It’s because we worry about the consequences that will inevitably result from that action and that will hit the poorest among us the hardest."

The best GDP growth and job creation rate in the last 60 years actually occurred when the top marginal income tax rate was between 75 and 80 percent. The worst period for both measurements occurred when the top rate was 35 percent, as it stands today. In fact, job growth and gross domestic product has little, if any, correlation to the tax rate on wealthy Americans.

Lee authored the Cut, Cap, and Balance constitutional amendment, a proposal so extreme that not even the GOP budget would go far enough in its cuts to be considered legal.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

I’m sorry you have bought into dem fear-mongering.

Republicans would be smart to help the poor and middle class. They did. The Bush tax cuts helped the poor and middle class more than the 1%. A family of four making $50k saw a 7% reduction in taxes under bush (5% rate cut for $2500 and another $1000 in child tax credits, $3500 is 7% of 50000), but the 1% saw only a 4.6% reduction. Only in dem fear-mongering math does 4.6% exceed 7%.

And did you see the article on Yahoo yesterday saying your dem-ran CA was the worst managed state for the second year in a row?

You’re talking about the hundreds of millions BO and his pacs spent, right?

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

So the way Mike Lee is defending the GOP is... we must apease the wealthy or bad things will happen to the peasants.

Seems like a familiar plot in which sacrifices or priceless items are offered for protection from otherwise benevolent beings.

No thank you sir!

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

One party is the party of greed. The other party takes Jesus' teachings seriously and understands the importance of helping the poor.
You decide which is which.

Hayden, ID

@ lost in DC. Great post! Thank you but I warn you, the liberals on here will call you names and attack your character, your sanity and your devotion to our country all the while telling us and themselves they are the "compassionate ones", the "inclusive ones". In America today, lies and cover-ups from the Obama administration gets a pass in the media and at the DNC but everything a conservative says, is misconstrued and twisted and then reported as fact! If you doubt me, wait and see the vitriol that will be hurled at you on here!

Kearns, UT

J Thompson: "The people voted for Representatives who opposed Obama's tax and spend agenda. The Representatives approve ALL spending. If this election has proven anything, it has proven that the PEOPLE put their trust in a conservative House, a House that opposes Obama."

You might be surprised to know that while Republicans still ended up sending more representatives to the House then Democrats this last election, Democrats received more than 53% of the votes when adding all votes for the House of Representatives.

How is this possible you may ask? Republican state legislatures doing what they can to increase Republican representation in the House. Otherwise known as "gerrymandering". Had the districts stayed as before, the House would have swapped to Democratic control.

Even with the "gerrymandering", Republicans still lost seats in the House. This tells me that Republicans are losing ground and may very possibly lose the House in 2014 unless they change their views and actions.

Salt Lake City, UT

JThompson: "The people voted for Representatives who opposed Obama's tax and spend agenda."

No - Republican gerrymandering of districts produced the Republican majority in in the House of Representatives. Moreover, the GOP majority in the House shrank.

Taken as a total nationwide, more votes were cast for Democratic representatives than Republican representatives.

Where gerrymandering is absent, i.e., in the Senate and Presidential races, Democrats won. The Democrats increased their majority in the Senate, and Obama's reelection margin was bigger than Bush's in 2004.

To claim that the (now smaller and less diverse) Republican majority in the House constitutes some kind of mandate for the GOP's "pamper the rich" tax plan is pure wishful thinking.

As recently as 20 years ago, the Republican Party was part of the reality-based community. But now, they're gone. The nation misses them.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Let them go.....
Let them go....

I predict a landslide HOUSE cleaning of Grover Norquist Congressmen and Senators in 2014.

Salt Lake City, UT

"The Constitution clearly specifies that all spending bills MUST originate in the House."
It also specifies that the President can veto those spending bills. Tax rates WILL go up if the Republicans don't write a bill that pleases the President. The people WILL blame the Republicans if that happens, just like the people blamed Republicans when the government shut down during the Clinton administration.

Orem, UT

The election may be over, but the propaganda continues. No matter what the GOP does, the hard left and their media lapdogs will continue to push the notion that conservatives only care about rich people.

Nevermind that wealthy people already pay the lions share of taxes. Nevermind that they supply the majority of capital that makes our capitalist system work. Nevermind that this results in lots of jobs. Nevermind that the majority of rich people were not rich 20 years ago but are "self-made".

They will continue to insist that all rich people are parasites to society that sleep on piles of gold while "normal Americans" slave away at the factories they own but "didn't build". They will not be happy until rich people give 90% or more of their wealth and income to the government so that they are no better off than anyone else. After all, that is just being "fair", right?

one old man
Ogden, UT

Excellent letter.

red state pride
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Marc- did you know that 8 out of the 10 wealthiest counties in America went for Barack Obama. Why would that be if the Republicans were the alleged "party of the rich"? You should read George Will's column in the DN today. He makes the point that Democrats would prefer to have unelected elite decision makers make choices for people while Republicans have faith in people to make choices for themselves.
BTW- Romney and Ryan were campaigning to save Medicare- was that "scary" to you Marc?

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

JoeCapitalist2 said:
"Nevermind that wealthy people already pay the lions share of taxes."
They also receive the lions share of the profit, right?

Nevermind that they supply the majority of capital that makes our capitalist system work.
So bailing out the bankers and suppling them with capital is how the system works?

Nevermind that this results in lots of jobs.
Not true, just a radio talking point, how many jobs did Rush create last year?

"They will continue to insist that all rich people are parasites to society that sleep on piles of gold while "normal Americans" slave away at the factories they own but "didn't build".

Actually I believe it was mitt who was referring to 47% of americans being parasites while he and his ilk did everything the have done by themselves against great odds, while welfare queens live the high life with their free phones.

But your right we should drop to our knees and thank these wealthy folks for our very existence.

No thank you.

The Skeptical Chymist

@J Thompson

The only reason the Republicans hold a majority in the House of Representatives is due to gerrymandering.

Some examples:
In PA, Republicans got 49.4% of votes for the House seats, Democrats 50.63%. Therefore, PA should have a nearly evenly divided representation in the House, right? NOPE. Republicans hold 13 seats, Democrats 5.

In OH, Republicans got 51.38%, Democrats got 46.56%. OK, Republicans should have a slight edge, right? NOPE. Republicans hold 12 seats, Democrats 4.

OK, you'll say that all this is made up in California, where the redistricting was controlled by Democrats (it wasn't - that was done by an independent commission). Let's look: in CA, Republicans got 39% of the vote, Democrats 61%. Republicans now hold 15 seats, Democrats 38. That's just about right (R's hold 28% of the seats, a bit low but not extremely out of balance, as in Ohio and Pennsylvania).

In Texas, where the gerrymandered map was subject to judicial and Justice Department review, things were more even: R's won 56.8% of the vote and got 66.66% of the seats.

In every state we should have redistricting done by an independent commission to get fair representation.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

A full 2/3 [i.e., SUPER Majority] of Americans want to see the Bush tax deductions on the 1-2% lapse.

Who should the President of the United States and Congress listen to?

The SUPER majority of Americans?
or the FoxNews, Limbaugh listeners in the minority?

And Republicans are STILL scratching their heads trying to figure out how they had their hands handed to them 3 weeks ago...

Turn OFF the radios.

Deep Space 9, Ut

The lies perpetuated by the MSM are amazing. I don't think that the liberals actually understood or even understand what the Republicans wanted to do to the rich, or even what the Bush Tax cuts did to the rich.

The Republicans want to lower the tax rate that the wealthy pay (that is where liberals stop paying attention) and then cut the loopholes that give them tax deductions. What this approach does is it forces a rich person to pay more because they can't deduct as much.

If the liberals want to persue this course of action, lets take a look at what the "tax the rich" approach has done around the world.

From the UK Telegraph "Two-thirds of millionaires left Britain to avoid 50p tax rate"

From MSN Money "The wealthy are pulling up stakes"

From Bloomberg "Bono, Preacher on Poverty, Tarnishes Halo With Irish Tax Move"

From NY Post "Tax refugees staging escape from New York"

From New Jersey Online "N.J. loses $70B in wealth during five years as residents depart"

They all tell the same story. You tax the rich too much, and they will leave for more friendly locations.

Thinkin\' Man
Rexburg, ID

The letter writer evidently believes the Democrat spin on Republicans. That's sad. Republican policies of expanding economic freedom benefit everybody -- a rising tide lifts all boats.

It's unfortunate that perceptions win out over reality in politics. That's a definite sign of a poor educational system.

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