Published: Thursday, Nov. 29 2012 12:00 a.m. MST
The people voted for Representatives who opposed Obama's tax and spend
agenda. The Representatives approve ALL spending. If this election has proven
anything, it has proven that the PEOPLE put their trust in a conservative House,
a House that opposes Obama.Obama can't legislate. His job is
to enforce the laws passed by Congress. The Constitution clearly specifies that
all spending bills MUST originate in the House. The Senate CAN. concur, but it
is not necessary.Obama cannot wrie budget legislation. The Senate
cannot write budget legislation. The people selected a Republican House that
opposes both Obama and Reid.Now Obama is wasting taxpayers money by
flying around the Country telling the people how stupid they were for voting for
Rebuplicans. When will he learn that the campaign is over? When will he learn
that we didn't hire him to fly around the Country?
But until you start limiting the ability of a very few to purchase our
leadership this will go on and on. The well being of our nation is determined by
the well being of the middle class not a very few.
There is no economical evidence that very low taxes on the top few zillionaires
is good for the country, and economy. In fact since the Bush tax cuts, the
economy has been in shambles! The Republicans have really run out
of solutions to govern this country, we tried being very militarily aggressive,
and cutting taxes, and it just hasn't worked out. The
Republicans were shocked by results of the elections because they have become
increasingly out of touch in the Fox information bubble. They need to start
listening to NPR and CBS, and get back to the rational middle!
UT Senator Mike Lee recently discussed tax cuts for upper levels of income on
Mike Huckabee's radio program:"LEE: People need to
understand that the reason we worry about raising taxes on anyone – even
raising taxes on the rich – it’s not that we’re looking out
for the rich, it’s not that we’re concerned that the rich
won’t be able to fend for themselves, because they will. It’s
because we worry about the consequences that will inevitably result from that
action and that will hit the poorest among us the hardest."The
best GDP growth and job creation rate in the last 60 years actually occurred
when the top marginal income tax rate was between 75 and 80 percent. The worst
period for both measurements occurred when the top rate was 35 percent, as it
stands today. In fact, job growth and gross domestic product has little, if any,
correlation to the tax rate on wealthy Americans.Lee authored the
Cut, Cap, and Balance constitutional amendment, a proposal so extreme that not
even the GOP budget would go far enough in its cuts to be considered legal.
Marc,I’m sorry you have bought into dem fear-mongering.Republicans would be smart to help the poor and middle class. They did. The
Bush tax cuts helped the poor and middle class more than the 1%. A family of
four making $50k saw a 7% reduction in taxes under bush (5% rate cut for $2500
and another $1000 in child tax credits, $3500 is 7% of 50000), but the 1% saw
only a 4.6% reduction. Only in dem fear-mongering math does 4.6% exceed 7%.And did you see the article on Yahoo yesterday saying your dem-ran CA
was the worst managed state for the second year in a row?Ugattabkiddn,You’re talking about the hundreds of millions BO and
his pacs spent, right?
So the way Mike Lee is defending the GOP is... we must apease the wealthy or bad
things will happen to the peasants.Seems like a familiar plot in
which sacrifices or priceless items are offered for protection from otherwise
benevolent beings.No thank you sir!
One party is the party of greed. The other party takes Jesus' teachings
seriously and understands the importance of helping the poor. You decide
which is which.
@ lost in DC. Great post! Thank you but I warn you, the liberals on here will
call you names and attack your character, your sanity and your devotion to our
country all the while telling us and themselves they are the "compassionate
ones", the "inclusive ones". In America today, lies and cover-ups
from the Obama administration gets a pass in the media and at the DNC but
everything a conservative says, is misconstrued and twisted and then reported as
fact! If you doubt me, wait and see the vitriol that will be hurled at you on
J Thompson: "The people voted for Representatives who opposed Obama's
tax and spend agenda. The Representatives approve ALL spending. If this election
has proven anything, it has proven that the PEOPLE put their trust in a
conservative House, a House that opposes Obama."You might be
surprised to know that while Republicans still ended up sending more
representatives to the House then Democrats this last election, Democrats
received more than 53% of the votes when adding all votes for the House of
Representatives.How is this possible you may ask? Republican state
legislatures doing what they can to increase Republican representation in the
House. Otherwise known as "gerrymandering". Had the districts stayed
as before, the House would have swapped to Democratic control.Even
with the "gerrymandering", Republicans still lost seats in the House.
This tells me that Republicans are losing ground and may very possibly lose the
House in 2014 unless they change their views and actions.
JThompson: "The people voted for Representatives who opposed Obama's
tax and spend agenda."No - Republican gerrymandering of
districts produced the Republican majority in in the House of Representatives.
Moreover, the GOP majority in the House shrank. Taken as a total
nationwide, more votes were cast for Democratic representatives than Republican
representatives.Where gerrymandering is absent, i.e., in the Senate
and Presidential races, Democrats won. The Democrats increased their majority
in the Senate, and Obama's reelection margin was bigger than Bush's in
2004.To claim that the (now smaller and less diverse) Republican
majority in the House constitutes some kind of mandate for the GOP's
"pamper the rich" tax plan is pure wishful thinking.As
recently as 20 years ago, the Republican Party was part of the reality-based
community. But now, they're gone. The nation misses them.
Let them go.....Let them go....I predict a landslide HOUSE
cleaning of Grover Norquist Congressmen and Senators in 2014.
"The Constitution clearly specifies that all spending bills MUST originate
in the House."It also specifies that the President can veto those
spending bills. Tax rates WILL go up if the Republicans don't write a bill
that pleases the President. The people WILL blame the Republicans if that
happens, just like the people blamed Republicans when the government shut down
during the Clinton administration.
The election may be over, but the propaganda continues. No matter what the GOP
does, the hard left and their media lapdogs will continue to push the notion
that conservatives only care about rich people.Nevermind that
wealthy people already pay the lions share of taxes. Nevermind that they supply
the majority of capital that makes our capitalist system work. Nevermind that
this results in lots of jobs. Nevermind that the majority of rich people were
not rich 20 years ago but are "self-made".They will continue
to insist that all rich people are parasites to society that sleep on piles of
gold while "normal Americans" slave away at the factories they own but
"didn't build". They will not be happy until rich people give 90%
or more of their wealth and income to the government so that they are no better
off than anyone else. After all, that is just being "fair", right?
Marc- did you know that 8 out of the 10 wealthiest counties in America went for
Barack Obama. Why would that be if the Republicans were the alleged "party
of the rich"? You should read George Will's column in the DN today. He
makes the point that Democrats would prefer to have unelected elite decision
makers make choices for people while Republicans have faith in people to make
choices for themselves. BTW- Romney and Ryan were campaigning to save
Medicare- was that "scary" to you Marc?
JoeCapitalist2 said:"Nevermind that wealthy people already pay the
lions share of taxes." They also receive the lions share of the
profit, right? Nevermind that they supply the majority of capital
that makes our capitalist system work.So bailing out the bankers and
suppling them with capital is how the system works? Nevermind that
this results in lots of jobs.Not true, just a radio talking point, how
many jobs did Rush create last year?"They will continue to
insist that all rich people are parasites to society that sleep on piles of gold
while "normal Americans" slave away at the factories they own but
"didn't build". Actually I believe it was mitt who was
referring to 47% of americans being parasites while he and his ilk did
everything the have done by themselves against great odds, while welfare queens
live the high life with their free phones.But your right we should
drop to our knees and thank these wealthy folks for our very existence.No thank you.
@J ThompsonThe only reason the Republicans hold a majority in the
House of Representatives is due to gerrymandering.Some examples:In PA, Republicans got 49.4% of votes for the House seats, Democrats 50.63%.
Therefore, PA should have a nearly evenly divided representation in the House,
right? NOPE. Republicans hold 13 seats, Democrats 5.In OH,
Republicans got 51.38%, Democrats got 46.56%. OK, Republicans should have a
slight edge, right? NOPE. Republicans hold 12 seats, Democrats 4.OK, you'll say that all this is made up in California, where the
redistricting was controlled by Democrats (it wasn't - that was done by an
independent commission). Let's look: in CA, Republicans got 39% of the
vote, Democrats 61%. Republicans now hold 15 seats, Democrats 38. That's
just about right (R's hold 28% of the seats, a bit low but not extremely
out of balance, as in Ohio and Pennsylvania).In Texas, where the
gerrymandered map was subject to judicial and Justice Department review, things
were more even: R's won 56.8% of the vote and got 66.66% of the seats.In every state we should have redistricting done by an independent
commission to get fair representation.
A full 2/3 [i.e., SUPER Majority] of Americans want to see the Bush tax
deductions on the 1-2% lapse.Who should the President of the United
States and Congress listen to?The SUPER majority of Americans?or the FoxNews, Limbaugh listeners in the minority?And Republicans
are STILL scratching their heads trying to figure out how they had their hands
handed to them 3 weeks ago...Turn OFF the radios.
The lies perpetuated by the MSM are amazing. I don't think that the
liberals actually understood or even understand what the Republicans wanted to
do to the rich, or even what the Bush Tax cuts did to the rich.The
Republicans want to lower the tax rate that the wealthy pay (that is where
liberals stop paying attention) and then cut the loopholes that give them tax
deductions. What this approach does is it forces a rich person to pay more
because they can't deduct as much.If the liberals want to
persue this course of action, lets take a look at what the "tax the
rich" approach has done around the world.From the UK Telegraph
"Two-thirds of millionaires left Britain to avoid 50p tax rate"From MSN Money "The wealthy are pulling up stakes"From
Bloomberg "Bono, Preacher on Poverty, Tarnishes Halo With Irish Tax
Move"From NY Post "Tax refugees staging escape from New
York"From New Jersey Online "N.J. loses $70B in wealth
during five years as residents depart"They all tell the same
story. You tax the rich too much, and they will leave for more friendly
The letter writer evidently believes the Democrat spin on Republicans.
That's sad. Republican policies of expanding economic freedom benefit
everybody -- a rising tide lifts all boats. It's unfortunate
that perceptions win out over reality in politics. That's a definite sign
of a poor educational system.
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