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Published: Thursday, Nov. 29 2012 5:00 a.m. MST

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Lasvegaspam
Henderson, NV

Bro. Peterson: Thank you for your gift of focus.

sharrona
layton, UT

RE: Bill in Nebraska, pure love, as Charity is the pure love of Christ?

Charity is a(12th c) Latin Vulgate word and a poor KJV translation of love(agape). The Love chapter, 1 Corinthians 13. Accurate modern translations, Example verse 13 , So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love. KJV, NIV, NLT. JS was unaware.

@One must be baptized by one having proper authority and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost otherwise you cannot and will not enter into Kingdom of God??
Christ, the object of his faith, Bartimaeus was made *whole,(“saved,sozo“)both in soul and body; and had his spiritual sight, before he had his bodily sight, and both from Christ: (Mark 10:52) ' *persistent faith in Jesus is exemplary for those who "have not seen and yet have believed" (John 20:29).
Amazing Grace how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me. Twas blind but now I see.

Bill in Nebraska
Maryville, MO

Sharrona just as everyone says, "You can leave the Church but you can leave the Church alone." You constantly try to use the Biblical translations to prove the Book of Mormon wrong. Yet, the bible was written in both Hebrew and Greek. Yet they are translations and not one translation is greater than the other in most circumstances. However, the Book of Mormon has only one translation. The verse, "Charity is the pure love of Christ" is in the Book of Mormon and is found no where else in scripture. However, the Book of Mormon is Reformed Egyptian. There is to many things that points to the Book of Mormon being exactly what Joseph Smith said it was, a history of the people that lived in the American Hemisphere. It is also Another Testament of the Lord Jesus Christ, solidifying his role as the Redeemer, Savior and our moderator with the Father. Christ himself tells you in the Bible that a man can not enter into the Kingdom of God with first being baptized and second receiving the Gift of the Holy Ghost yet you still try to argue that.

Everyone must be baptized and receive the Holy Ghost.

sharrona
layton, UT

RE: Bill in Nebraska "Charity is the pure love of Christ" is in the Book of Mormon and is found no where else in scripture. True, (Moroni 7:47) see Love chapter, 1 Corinthians 13. Accurate modern translations, Example verse 13 , So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love. KJV, NIV, NLT.

There several different Greek words for love JS was unaware. God’s pure Love=(agape). Romance(eros). Friendship(Phileo)Like Philadelphia.

RE: Holy Ghost,S/B spirit(pneuma),poor KJV translation.
There are exceptions without baptism ( Luke 23:43) Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.” And (Mosiah 4:3)…and it came to pass that after they had spoken these word, the Spirit of the Lord came upon them, and they were filled with joy, having received the remission of their sins, and having peace of conscience. because of exceeding faith which they had in Jesus Christ…

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or

Brahmabull
sandy, ut

Bill in Nebraska - you forgot to mention in your rant about being baptized by proper authority etc, etc that that is your opinion. Nothing you said can be counted as fact. You may believe them, and your church may claim it is doctrine but that is where it ends. You don't have universal say over everybody else to tell them what has to be done. Baptism and the holy ghost is required in your belief system, but that does not make it fact. So please quit stating it as such.

Bill in Nebraska
Maryville, MO

Not a FACT: " Jesus answered, verily,verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of the water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God". (John 3:5) Jesus fulfilled righteousness when he who was without sin was baptized by JOhn the Baptist, having the authority of the Aaronic Priesthood to do so. Christ further went on later to indicate that John the Baptist was a greater prophet than even Moses or Abraham.

So to say it isn't a fact is a total lie.

Paradise is a place of waiting just as spirit prision is. Both places is where our spirits go after our life here on earth as we prepare for the final judgement. Doctrine & Covenants Section 138 spells this out as does Peter. Those who want to just say it is a belief are incorrect and are following in the manner that Korihor stated in the Book of Mormon. Satan uses the same falsehoods throughout time to mislead and to lie to the the Children of God. This is why those who adhere to these falsehoods become the pawns of Satan and his leaders upon this earth.

sharrona
layton, UT

RE: Bill in Nebraska, Paradise is a place of waiting just as spirit prision is.

Wrong,The word "paradise" is found several times in the O.T. . The LORD(YHWH) God planted a garden(paradeisos, G# 3857) eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.(Gen 2:8 Septuagint). The LORD(YHWH) … Garden(paradeisos of Eden …( Gen2:15 Septuagint) ….And they heard the voice of the LORD(YHWH) God walking in the garden (paradeisos,)n in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD(YHWH) God amongst the trees of the garden.(Gen 3:8).

Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again=(Anothen,from above).[John 3:3)

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@ Red Headed Stranger “If Dan Peterson were to write…”

Point taken – but none of those things are offensive. Dr. Peterson writes some good articles but he often says things that are offensive and just plain wrong. For example unlike Hugo and even Tolkien, I don’t know of anyone who thinks the Narnia books are “brilliantly written.” They are entertaining children’s stories with large helpings of not-so-subtle religious allegory. The writing is at best serviceable… it’s not literature.

But one thing Dr. Peterson continues to do is imply that only believers in God (no doubt the God of Abraham) can be decent and moral. Note his citing of the “brutish and amoral” innkeeper and even his placement of the word “abortive” in that paragraph. For the naive and undiscerning, the subliminal message is atheists are brutish, amoral and like abortions. Or maybe I give him too much credit…

But I’ll give credit where it is due – the last two paragraphs of this article are wonderfully written.

fkratz
Portland, OR

Is it possible that some viewing "Les Miserables" would not be reminded of our homesickness for God or redemption but simply reminded of our desire for love, peace, truth, justice and equality for ourselves and fellow travelers? Could Thenardier, the grave robbing urchin be righted by a truly caring and egalitarian society, by education, by public works?

Victor Hugo's religious tendencies changed radically over his lifetime. Later in his life, he may have been influenced by the many injustices and disregard for the disenfranchised he witnessed at the hands of the Church. And like Voltaire, became more freethinking and less enamored of organized religion and its dogma.

kargirl
Sacramento, CA

Or perhaps Victor Hugo had his characters do what authors often do--experience vicariously the life of their creator? Here is a thought..they were made to walk a mile in anothers' shoes, so to speak, in that book, and in doing so, do what many of us in real life do--change and either regress or grow as we choose to do. Or sadly, become so dismayed in our finding the world not to fit into the mold we tried to make it fit into that we simply disintegrated. Just something to leave my fellow commenters with...

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