Can't we all just get along?to troll: to fish by trailing a
lure or baited hook don't troll, and don't take the hook.
@gdog"In other words it's weak for Whit to say they need
better talent instead of saying I need to coach a whole lot better."I agree, that was weak. I personally think utah has the talent to
compete with the middle to bottom pac12 teams. Now understand I'm saying
"compete" and that means they win some and lost some. In some years
they'll beat more of the mid to bottom pac teams than they lose to and in
some years they'll lose to more of them than they beat. As far
as this year is concerned I think what utah did is indeicative of what they are.
They had some talent at some positions but they also lacked talent at some very
key positions. I htink whittingham did a poor job of coaching and I think he
made a very poor decision when he appointed johnson o-ccordinator. And when all of those factors are looked at utah probably finished about where
they should ahve finished and with the exact record I predicted. But it is
extremely poor form for a coach that did a poor job to criticize the talent he
recruited and coached.
SwoopThat number does not reflect poorly on the conference, it
reflects poorly on Stanford. Any other team in the PAC-12 would have sold out
if they had the privilege of hosting the CCG.
If BYU rejoins the Mountain West, Utah would be smart to rejoin them. The
Mountain West would be a stronger conference than what they left if Boise State
and San Diego State also rejoin. Utah would be better able to compete and where
they will be assured of going to a bowl game each year ... something that is not
guaranteed in the Pac-12, and, in fact, seems very unlikely at the moment. They
just simply are not going to be going back to BCS Bowl anytime soon if they have
to beat out USC, Stanford, and Oregon every year. Utah has shown they can't
compete with the Arizona schools. After two years in the Pac-12, Utah has shown
they are closer to Washington State than they are Oregon. Might be time to cut
your losses before Utah actually turns into Washington State.
So when Davonte Christopher wasn't practicing hard for several weeks, which
coach(es) should we blame for that? When I heard that during the Arizona game,
I just said what the heck! So it looks like the talented the players
weren't playing hard and the there is a lack of talent generally and a lack
of coaching to help motivate those with talent to push themselves to their
potential. 5-7 says it all I guess...
I think they're trying to stir things up here, because they can't
believe that Utah fans still like the Utes. We understand the set backs we had
this year. We like our coaches. We're glad Travis Wilson got significant
experience. We like the improved recruiting, and are looking forward to playing
Stanford and Oregon next year.Over on the Cougar boards,
they're mad at Holmoe, Bronco, and Dolman. Last year, they fantasized about
what would happen if Nelson was the QB all season. This year, fantasize about
how Lark would have taken them to the championship game against Alabama. No Ute
fan can post anything as ugly as Cougar fans are posting about their own
team.Spot on! Little boys w/ with blue goggles throwing stones
at big brother doesn't change the cold truth.I've started to
enjoy the posts from the coog trolls. Must be tough on them to know no matter
how they try to trash the U and no matter how many trips they take in the way
back machine,their program is doing the white bowl whirl.
I have always said that the Utes are a lower level team in what is turning into
a lower level conference. It will be fun to see how many Pac 12 teams get beat
in bowl games, just like last year. Should have stayed in the Mtn. West. Same
with the Y.
What an embarrassment for a "power" conference to have only 31,622
people show up for their conference championship game!
Spokane UteAlabama was a nice win for Utah, the high water mark of
your football history, but unfortunately for U, the last hurrah for a program
that's been in steady decline since.
Utah 34 FinalAlabama 17
Who's the last non conference team to beat Alabama? Just askin.....Was it BYU?
In other words it's weak for Whit to say they need better talent instead of
saying I need to coach a whole lot better.
Utah's talent is not as good as Oregon, USC, UCLA, Arizona State and
Stanford, but I think it's just as good or better than Arizona, Washington,
Washington State, Oregon State, California, and Colorado. Utah did not do as
well as they should of because Whittingham and Johnson (new OC) had a poor year
coaching. Not giving Hays the fall reps at QB and going with Wynn yet again was
foolish, then going to the freshman (Wilson) too early sunk the ship when Utah
played well enough to beat Oregon State and UCLA outside of Wilson's awful
goredHow many pseudonyms do you use?I don't know
about sportsfan, because I only occassionally read posts from him, but it's
obvious that Duckhunter and sammy are two entirely different people.Just curious, though.Why do Utah fans react to losing arguments by
resorting to personal attacks or whining about BYU fans posting on
"Utah" articles?-----On another topic, why are
Utah fan now complaining about the "growing pains" of playing in a very
competitive conference?BYU fans have been saying for over two years
that Utah fans were delusional for pretending that the Utes could step into the
conference and instantly be one of the big boys, but Utah fans totally dismissed
BYU fans "concerns" saying Utah was much better than the Arizona team of
the last 30 years that BYU fans were comparing Utah to.Now your
using the very arguments BYU fans were using, but using them as your excuse for
being a bottom dweller in the PAC 12.btw, you have no proof that
Utah would have done any better with BYU's schedule. BYU was 2-1 against
common opponents, Utah State, Washington State, and Oregon State. Utah was only
@goredMore ute "fan" hypocrisy at its finest. Keep up the
good work. LOL!
It's always funny to me to read comments from utah "fans" that
somehow think winning a couple of bowl games is better or more noteworthy than
winning the actual Football National Championship. You know the most important
single accomplishment in all of the NCAA in any sport. LOL!
sammy/duck/sportsfan (How many pseudonyms do you use?)You do the
true BYU fans a disservice with your constant jabs at Utah's program in
general, and their fans in particular. I compliment the DNews for removing many
of your inflammatory comments. You want a fair discussion? Utah
suffered this year from the growing pains of playing in a very competitive
conference. They had only one easy game: Northern Colorado. BYU played four
easy games: Hawaii, Weber State, Idaho, and New Mexico State. Although
Utah's record is 5-7 and BYU's is 7-5, it is very misleading, since
Utah BEAT BYU, and only played one easy team as opposed to four. If
BYU had played Utah's schedule, one can see that BYU most likely would have
finished 4-8 at best, although they may have even lost another game or two.
Plain and simple. I question your motives coming on an article about Utah, and
then doing your best to insult personally and stir up trouble.
Spokane UteIt's laughable that you chose to ignore BYU's
ROAD wins over Air Force(8-4), Hawaii(7-4) and Utah(6-5-1) in 1984, while citing
your win over a weak Arizona(3-8) team as a noteable win for Utah in 2004. Air Force BEAT Virginia Tech 23-7 in the 1984 Independence Bowl.Here's a clue that might help you gain a less biased, more
objective, understanding of how BYU won the 1984 National Championship.Do a detailed study of BYU's overall record, rankings, and championships
from 1979 to 1984, noticing particularly what BYU did in 1983, the real
launching pad for 1984.Then do the same for Utah from 1999 to 2004,
and 2005 to 2008.You'll come away with a better understanding
of why BYU was in the thick of the championship race from mid-September, 1984,
and why Utah was never a serious candidate in 2004 or 2008.
Spokane UteWhenever somebody tries to argue that ANYTHING is better
than winning a national championship, we know that they're just deluding
their jealous little selfs.Sorry, but this is a "no
double-dipping zone". Every factor that you've cited, and many that you
conveniently overlooked, were already factored into the final rankings in 1984,
2004, and 2008.Utah only beat THREE teams with winning records in
2004, none with less than FIVE losses. Gotta laugh at you including
3-win Arizona and 6-6 North Carlina in your "notable" victories; even
more laughable was you were too embarrassed to include the names and records of
two of the three teams with winning records that you beat.It
doesn't matter what Pitt was ranked when you played them, they were only
ranked #25 in the Final AP Poll, UNRANKED in the Coaches Poll. And, the Utes
were only ranked #6 in the final BCS rankings, same as they were in 2008.Slice it any way that helps you sleep at night, but that still
won't change the fact that#1/#1 in 1984 > #4/#5 in 2004 or
#2/#4 in 2008
One think we continue to forget is that the play calling is horrible. We
continue to go horizontal rather than vertical. We have enough talent to
compete in this conference. The key is we need an offensive coordinator that
will call plays down the field not to the sidelines. North and South not East
and West.In conference's like the PAC 12 you can't wait
around and see if it gets better. You need to make changes quickly to improve
the program. Look at Robert Anae(out of BYU now in AZ) Telford at California,
because mediocrity won't cut it in this conference. Good luck
Whitt. Make changes to survive.
When ever some one actually thinks that the BYU NC season was far superior to
Utah's Sugar or Fiesta bowl season, it tells me that they are extremely
bias and not objective.BYU 1984 Season -Didn't beat a
single ranked team.-Notable Non confernece wins against Baylor (5-7) and
Pitt (3-7-1)-Bowl win over 6-5 Michigan 24-17Utah 2004
Season-Beat #20 Ranked Pitt-Noteable Non conference wins over Texas
A&M (7-5), North Carolina (6-6) and Arizona (3-8)-Bowl win over 7-4
Pitt 35-7Utah 2008 Season_ Beat #11 TCU, #14 BYU and #4
Alabama- Noteable Non conference wins over Oregon State and Michigan- Bowl win over 11-1 Alabama 34-17It's pretty easy to rank
the three season from an objective and unbiased point of view. FYI:
The year BYU won the Cotton Bowl was far more impressive than the 1984 season.
It was comporable to Utah's 2004 season.
One national championship by beating the winningest major college football team
in history, and a team that was MUCH better than that pitiful Pittsburgh team
Utah, by default, faced in the Fiesta Bowl.BYU was disappointed in
not being able to play Nebraska or Washington, (two Top 5 teams who were invited
but turned down invitations to play #1-ranked BYU in the Holiday Bowl), but BYU
had NOTHING to be embarrassed about.We can pat ourselves on the back
because we earned it by beating every team we were supposed to.Despite the opinions of the whiny naysayers, BYU's national championship
is well respected in the college football community at large, in fact,
commentators regularly cite BYU's national championship as one of LaVell
Edward's many accomplishments that validate their praise of him as a
College Football Hall of Fame coach and by extension, BYU as a nationally
respected major college footbal program.
pebbles"If BYU had done what it had in 83-84 in modern times
that likely wouldn't have even made it to a BCS bowl game"You have absolutely NO PROOF of that other than your own biased opinion.Who BYU beat to win their national championship was carefully evaluated
by all five major national organizations who selected a national champion in
1984.After careful scrutiny of BYU and every other legitimate
contender for over a month, BYU was selected as being more deserving of the
national championship than any other contender, by all five major selecting
organizations, including a majority of voters in both the AP and Coaches
Polls.What makes you think your opinion is more valid than the AP
and Coaches Poll voters?BYU rose to #1 in both polls in exactly the
same manner as every other #1-ranked team in history, by winning.During BYU's 24-game winning streak, from the 2nd game of 1983 to the
final game of 1984, BYU beat TWO Top 15 teams, Air Force and UCLA, on the
road.What ranked team did Utah beat in 2004 to become the first BCS
1 National Championship by default. Beating a 6-6 Michigan team in the
Poinsettia Bowl. Not beating a single ranked team that season. Yeah right. How
embarassing. Keep patting your self on the back though, no one else is going to.
Skywalker, beating no final ranked teams and a schedule of woeful WAC teams,
topped by barely beating a barely bowl eligible team in a December bowl
isn't that impressive. Due to the rules (which have since been changed so
something as lame as that can never happen again) BYU was voted #1 as all other
teams had losses (because they played real schedules). If BYU had done what it
had in 83-84 in modern times that likely wouldn't have even made it to a
BCS bowl game (e.g. year undefeated Boise State didn't get into BCS game
due to weak schedule). I guess 84 proves that being lucky is sometimes better
than being the best.
Spokane Ute1 National Championship > 2 BCS winsAny
college football fan who disputes that is just blowing smoke.I'm sure those Fiesta and Sugar Bowl trophies look very nice in
Utah's trophy case, but if you watch ESPN Game Day every Saturday,
you've noticed that the ONLY trophy that they ever display on the field
before the game is the American Football Coaches Association National
Championship Trophy.Winning a Crystal Football Trophy is the
ultimate goal of every major college football team, and the prize that will now
be waiting at the end of the 4-team and soon to be 8-team playoff.btw, Top 25 finishes are what every team that isn't in contention for a
national championship strives for - the higher the better. In fact, Utah fans
have been beating their chests for years simply for beating an occassional Top
I wonder, is it better to be one of the better mid major basketball programs in
the country and one of the most respected and recognized football programs in
the nation who wins between 7-10 games a year, or is better to be a bottom
dweller in the PAC 12 in basketball and a mid level football program in the PAC
@ GoRedYou are spot On!
@ SkywalkerThe problem is BYU fans are fixate ENTIRELY on top 25
finishes. Let's compare BCS bowls. There's your que, quick to your
time machine. LOL!
GoRedThe problem when Utah fans cite "history" is you fixate
ENTIRELY on the head-to-head between BYU and Utah. Just another of the many
indications that Utah fans are totally and exclusively obseesed with BYU.Why not compare national championships, national individual award
winners, national college football hall of fame inductees, conference
championships, Top 25 finishes, 10+ win seasons, and overall records?The answer is obvious. Utah's national and overall accomplishments pale
in comparison to BYU's. Even during the Bronco/Kyle era, the Utes have had
fewer Top 25 finishes, fewer Top 15 finishes, fewer 10+ win seasoons, fewer
undefeated conference seasons, fewer conference championships, fewer winning
seasons, fewer bowls, and a worse won/lost record.Instead of being a
perennial Top 25 team for the last 35 years, filled with dozens of national
awards and conference championships, U have 2004 and 2008, and practically
NOTHING else on a conference or national scale.It's laughable
that a fanbase that has spent the last 30 months rubbing their PAC 12ness in
everybody's face gets so testy when their rivals simply state the truth
that being a bottom dweller in a power conference doesn't make U special.
sammy/duckIt's pretty bad when you have to refer to another
team to fight your battles. Why not refer to your BYU team's game against
Utah? "LOL"jealous YBringing up irrelevant
accomplishments of 30 years ago? Really? Since you're bringing up ancient
history, in all fairness, you need to look at the whole body of work. And that
would be 56-34-4 in Utah's favor. Or more recent history: Utah 13 BYU 7;
Utah 8 out of 11; Utah 3 in a row, etc.I'll never understand
how the fan base of a team that has been so thoroughly dominated, finds the gall
to go onto their opponent's comment boards and try to dish out trash
Naval VetLOTR: "Rarily ever won a MWC championship?" Who has
won more MWC Football championships than the Utes?LOL at how you
"conveniently" only included the MWC in your question, when LOTR's
statement included both the WAC and MWC:"a team that rarily won
WAC/MWC championships wasn't going to suddenly be competitive in the PAC 12
just because they had a couple of recent perfect storm seasons."I'll answer your question, with a question:Who has won more
MWC Football championships than the Cougars?Of course you already
know that BYU and Utah are tied with four each:BYU(4): 1999, 2001,
2006, 2007 (Bronco won two)Utah(4): 1999, 2003, 2004, 2008 (Kyle won
one)It's obvious why you left out the WACBYU(19):
1974, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1989, 1990,
1991, 1992, 1993, 1995, 1996Utah(2): 1964, 1995The truth is,
Utah has only won SIX conference championships in the last half-century, and two
of those were shared with BYU.
"I really believe that more BYU fans comment on U stories than U fans
do."I think they're trying to stir things up here, because they
can't believe that Utah fans still like the Utes. We understand the set
backs we had this year. We like our coaches. We're glad Travis Wilson got
significant experience. We like the improved recruiting, and are looking
forward to playing Stanford and Oregon next year.Over on the Cougar
boards, they're mad at Holmoe, Bronco, and Dolman. Last year, they
fantasized about what would happen if Nelson was the QB all season. This year,
fantasize about how Lark would have taken them to the championship game against
Alabama. No Ute fan can post anything as ugly as Cougar fans are posting about
their own team.
LOTR:Rarily ever won a MWC championship? Who has won more MWC
Football championships than the Utes?
I really believe that more BYU fans comment on U stories than U fans do. SLTrib,
Deseret News, and KSL. They're all dominated by the 10% of those Cougar
fans that make the rest of them look bad.So keep it up, 10%.
You're just making your team's fanbase look that much worse.
@GoRedI agree, it's great to have our little blue colored
Naval VetLOL, yep I agree, you are disappearing just like most fair
weather Utesie fans, now that you know all they are is a PAC bottom dweller
@naval vetThat was a very frantic and emotional post from you. They
are getting more frantic and emotional all of the time, well at least all of the
time that you are here which is rarer and rarer with the continued slide of the
utah football program. I enjoy your angst.
toosmartforyou:"Many Utes have stated they would rather lose to
PAC12 teams than win over MWC and WAC teams."Actually, NO Ute
fans have said that. You made that up. The only fans who HAD posted that
nonsense are the Indy-WACey ones.I've said it before, and
I'll say it again, and you jealous frantic and emotional coug fans will
still distort what Ute fans have been saying all along:Ute fans
would rather PLAY Pac-12 teams, than beat mid-majors. Nowhere in there would we
rather LOSE! Ute fans want to settle it on the field. If we lose, then we
would have proven that we weren't the better team. If we win, then we
would have proven that we were. Beating New Mexico doesn't prove
anything.And neither does beating Idaho or New Mexico St.
Again, as always, thank you BYU "fans" for your concern. The Utes will
be fine as they adjust to the growing pains of being in an elite conference.
Utah has had to adjust to playing a quality opponent each and every week. There
are no games against the lower end of the very weak WAC conference to pad their
win-loss record with. Meanwhile, it is your team that you should be concerned
with, with an uncertain quarterback situation, and an uncertain schedule from
year to year. And, after all of those issues, you still can't beat your
rivals. Must be frustrating for you.Go Utes!!
Everything needs to get better; coaching, talent, depth and discipline. I have
faith in coach Whittingham, everyone program has a bad year or two. I'm
still not sold on Brian Johnson. The play calling got better as the season wore
on, but still quite predictable. Not sure about Travis Wilson either. He just
doesn't seem to have the arm strength. The PAC 12 was extremely loaded this
year, but that's no excuse. Time to step up. Also, thank you
for your concern BYU fans. So noted.GO UTES>--->
2020Ask anybody from the Administration,to the coaches, to the
athletes to the fans at either one of those schools and none of them will say,
"We should have stayed in the WAC."Only a very few of the
naysayers have said U should have stayed the WAC; what they've really been
saying is all the bluster about the Utes instantly becoming one of the top dogs
in the conference and regularly challenging for conference championships and
making regular Rose Bowl appearances has been proven to be, as the naysayers
said it would,...nothing but a bunch of hot air.Two full
seasons in the PAC and the Utes still haven't beaten a PAC 12 team with a
@goinefishnOf course you were trying to claim I was being a
hypocrite, obviously I am not. That wasn't even a good try at backtracking
on your part. LOL!
Utah has struggled to compete at this level on a weekly basis. This
shouldn't be a surprise to any realistic fan. We started out with a few
things going for us like USC not being able to compete for a bowl game last year
and not having Oregon and Stanford the first two years. Next years schedule
will be significantly harder so the Utes definitely need another good recruiting
class in order to compete.With all of that, there are still plenty
of positives for Utah's football program. Utah still hasn't been
receiving their full share of PAC12 money and they have still been able to make
some major changes to their facilities. All of which will help the recruiting
effort as well. Utah will also get a share of 8 bowl games with one being a BCS
game. The program will earn more money this year than they did in multiple
years of competing in the MWC.The talent level is getting better and
better. The proof is that we were able to once again beat byu with a D2 QB and
a rookie OC maybe it is the other program who should be worried.Go
DuckhunterOnce again your posts continue to be of a myopic and servile
nature. My post made no comment about you liking or disliking Ute posts on BYU
articles but rather an example of the hypocrisy you speak of. I guess I gave you
too much credit.
Well DUH Deseret News!! In addition to lack of talent let's look at
coaching. Utah coaches along with the players are NOT on par with other PAC
10.2 schools with the exception of WSU in football. They may arrive there
someday but it will be a journey of many years. Just keep your chins up Utah
fans. You wanted it. Sometimes we get what we ask for.
Utah does need to improve the depth at position such as O-line, Linebacker, etc.
Personally, I thought the glaring issue with this season was
coaching. Utah has seemed to of forgotten how to tackle. Speed doesn't do
any good if you don't tackle. Utah was very inexperienced at
some positions this year. Brian Johnson was up and down as a coordinator. I
never heard Whit throw any players under the bus specifically. But he admitted
there were some issues all around following the CU game last Friday.Hopefully he learns from his mistakes of this season and turns it around.Duckhunter... Of course Riley is a "homer!" He's the UofU
play by play guy. Not any different than Greg Wrubell. Well, other than
he's better at what he does. As for the other Ute haters. We
don't care about BYU basketball. Your team is in a conference that plays in
run down high school gyms against bad competition. I for one am
stoked about the PAC12. Every week is exciting. No more 4 week stretches of
Wyoming, CSU, New Mexico, and UNLV. Yeah we struggled this year, but I had a
The only thing the haters are proving on these boards is that they have no life.
Why else would you hate on the team you can't beat? Doesn't make
sense unless you are full of jealousy & hate.If BYU was invited
to the PAC12 everyone knows they would gladly abandon Independence. Now that
Utah has found a solid home in the midst of conference upheaval, some Y fans
want you to believe that the Utes fate is hopeless, when in reality BYU is the
program that's staring in the face of uncertainty. If all
Utah can do is occasionally compete for the PAC12 South, that's fine by me
because it's much better than the past (MWC) and any current alternatives
@gonefishnYour comprehension struggles are funny as well. You see I
don't complain about utah "fans" on BYU articles, I actually enjoy
having them there as their lack of logic and constant hypocrisy amuse me. Of
course you are one of the thicker posters around here.....
Several people have brought up Arizona and their lack of success. I would also
bring up ASU, as they have only been to two Rose Bowls, only winning one. Ask
anybody from the Administration,to the coaches, to the athletes to the fans at
either one of those schools and none of them will say, "We should have
stayed in the WAC."Perhaps the U haters are right, and Utah will
have to look forward to those once in 5 to 7 years good seasons. But we will
never again be considered "mid-major."So BYU fan, good luck
in your bowl game, good luck against St. Mary's and Gonzaga in
basketball(the rest of the conference is a joke), and good luck at continuing to
be one of the top mid major programs in the country.
gonefishn"The fact is the U is currently mediocre but has a
plan, coach and athletic director to far exceed the current state of
affairs."Really??What's the plan?Hoping to catch lightning in a bottle a third time is simply wishful thinking;
it's not a plan.The Utes haven't had a road win against a
PAC 12 team with a winning record since the 90's. The Utes rarily break
into very bottom of the Top 25 in recruiting, let alone finish in the Top 10 on
a regular basis like USC, UCLA, and Oregon. Utah's athletic budget and
facilities pale in comparison to most of the other PAC 12 schools.So
what's your plan for even finishing with a winning record in the
conference, let alone, challenging for a conference championship.The
truth is, Utah will continue finishing somewhere between 4-8 and 8-5, with an
occassional breakthrough year every decade or so, where the Utes might win 10
games and have an outside shot at getting into the Rose Bowl.Other
than that, expect lots of Las Vegas Bowls where you can toot your horn about
beating the MWC champion (sometimes).
Your statement about Utah fans commenting on BYU articles is exhibit A in BYU
"fan" hypocrisy,so no, thank you once again for displaying it.
Riley you were one of the biggest, if not THE BIGGEST, utah homers going into
this season. Every swingle article you wrote on here was about how talented the
ute's are or what a great coaching staff they have, blah, blah, blah.@uteinidahoBYU's dominance over utah in basketball, I
think BYU has won 11 out of 12 or something like that, doesn't stop utah
"fans" from posting and talking smack on BYU articles or about BYU
basketball. I personally love reading utah "fan" hypocrisy, like your
post, so thank you once again for displaying it.
I don't know why it's been so hard for everybody to state what seems
to me to be so blatantly obvious: the past two seasons, Utah has had some of the
worst collective quarterback play in the entire nation. (Not entirely different
from their counterparts in Provo) I think there's no question that the
coaches botched the position in recruiting. Anytime you have to essentially go
pick a guy up off the street in Jon Hays, who was on the verge of not playing
football after his DII school dropped their football program, and he has to
start multiple games for you in both seasons, it's clear you have an issue.
Utah didn't field a FBS quarterback, let alone a "Pac-12" QB. Yes,
there were certainly other factors and weaknesses at play in Utah's rough
transition: a 25-year old OC who has never had any football experience outside
the University of Utah, a weak o-line, and a linebacking corps which everyone
assumed would be good just because they always had, when in reality they
actually weren't all that talented... but the past two seasons, DII and
true freshman QBs killed Utah
SammyygI get a kick out of all your posts! Your takes are truly funny as
you try to degrade the Utes when the Y is routinely drubbed year after year by
the U. The fact is the U is currently mediocre but has a plan, coach and
athletic director to far exceed the current state of affairs. The Y on the other
hand has no concrete plan for the future to elevate their program past a 3rd or
4rth tier bowl even if they go 11-1, fact.
Utah is another Washington State in the PAC-12. Competitive every 5-7 years.
4 and 5 star recruits > 2-3 star recruits. Can I get a job in
'the booth'?This just confirms what many of us have
already known. Utes want to compete, have tried to compete at this level but
have fallen short of the hyped expectations. Reality now settles in and hard
work and perseverance along with some luck at recruiting is needed to move
forward.Good luck putting it all together. Other PAC12 schools have
been at this longer than the Utes and continue to fail at it.With
two lackluster years under the belt it will be interesting to see what the Utes
will do now that the two wonder seasons of yesteryear have been exposed as
wonderful once 'in blue moon' great experiences. 'History'
oft times does not carry over too well over the dusty trails to other
conferences.It will be interesting to see what you guys do next. I
will be 'tuning in' as usual. Count on it.
I think that the PAC-12 will improve the Utes. It will be painful, and they are
going to have to be deeper throughout their depth-chart. Their first-string can
win and are peers with the rest of the PAC, but they still don't have a
second or third-string that can replace the starters.With the above
thoughts, a single injury can destroy the Utes ability to compete in the PAC.
In fairness, one can expect the Utes to slowly improve over the next 5-10 years.
They need some patience as they go through this painful process."What doesn't kill you, makes you better."
LOTRI agree with most of your comments, but I do think that the Utes
will win an occassional recruiting battle with teams like USC, UCLA, Oregon and
Stanford, but those will mostly be athletes with strong Utah ties.As
for long-term success in the conference, Arizona is a good example, although I
do hope that the Utes have their breakthrough sooner than 30 years.
"After two eye-opening Pac-12 seasons, Utes must improve talent
level"It's interesting that its taken two full seasons for
the Utes to realize what everybody else in the country already knew... that a team that rarily won WAC/MWC championships wasn't going to
suddenly be competitive in the PAC 12 just because they had a couple of recent
perfect storm seasons.The truth is, Utah will never be able to out
recruit most of the teams in the PAC 12, so the best the Utes can hope for is to
have an occassional break through season with an experienced, senior-dominated
team. If they're lucky, those senior-dominated teams will come along when
the rest of the conference is down a little so the Utes can compete for a
conference championship. Other than those infrequent break through seasons, Utah
fans are just going to have to get used to middle to bottom of the PAC seasons
as the new norm.
UteinIdahoI'm not downgrading anyone. I recognize Utah is
about 3rd or 4tth in the PAC 12 South. I recognize they are ahead of Washington
State and Colorado. I honestly believe Colorado and the "Rumble in the
Rockies" will turn out to become a big deal, in SLC and Boulder but likely
not anywhere else. Arizona has never been to the Rose Bowl after how many years
in the PAC 10? Remember, they are the ones that talked Arizona State into
leaving the old WAC and ASU ruled that conference. Why should Utah think they
are going to suddenly be there? Many Utes have stated they would rather lose to
PAC12 teams than win over MWC and WAC teams. Well, they have their druthers.
They're happy and so am I. No smack....dude....just reality setting in on
your program. And that's OK too...this is the Aggie's year to shine.
They beat U didn't they?
Toosmart... I wonder what it is like taking time out of your day to
talk smack about a team that beat you. I say I wonder, because I genuinely do
wonder. If you are a somewhat educated adult, you realize how idiotic and
nonsensical it is to spend time out of your daily life trying to downgrade an
opponent that did, and has repeatedly beat you. ? Maybe?
Amazing! One bad season, and fans are against the coaches.Doesn't matter what team you're looking at,-fan reaction is the
same.The utes will be ok,--just give it some time.
ToosmartforyouCareful man. In the middle of that rant you almost
exposed your bitter jealousy....
But but but.....they're in the PAC12.....nothing can be wrong with that.
Just look at all the light poles in SLC every fall, with hanging PAC12 banners.
(No one else in the conference feels the need to do that, but that's
another story.) So what's wrong with finishing 3rd or 4th in the PAC12
South every year? At least they're ahead of Washington State and Colorado.
Their best new friends are Arizona and Arizona State. And they
have a new rival---Colorado! Can it get any better that that? What do they
call that---Rumble in the Rockies? Are you sure that isn't just USC and
Oregon indigestion?You wanted it---Rose Bowl and all---so now enjoy
it. I'll cheer for you in person every 20+ years when you get to the Rose
Bowl (assuming you actually do, unlike Arizona).
Hawkeye79, it may sound harsh when someone else summarizes it, but Whit is quite
candid when talking to his players about their accountability, and it's not
only something he expects from them, but they expect themselves and each other
to be accountable for their play. This doesn't mean he doesn't hold
his coaches or himself accountable, either, however. However, in public, he
doesn't throw individuals under the bus, he addresses concerns, and those
that it concerns know who they are and what they need to do. So statements like
that do not surprise me.I agree with Bill about Wilson, though. This
year, when he made mistakes, "freshman mistake" was always a valid
explanation, while when he made a good play that's a "nice job by the
true freshman." Next year he won't be able to lean on that, if he makes
a mistake now, it will just be considered a bad play, and good plays will be
expected, not commended. I think, and hope, he's up for the challenge, and
will continue to progress and improve.
Scheme and coaching need to improve just as much as the talent level. Top 5
concerns moving in to next season are:1- QB2- OC3- LB4- WR5- CornersThe O-line has some talent that was sidelined
Good luck boys.Next year you drop 2 of the easier games and replace
them with Oregon and Stanford.Like I said....good luck.
Wait...so, according to Whittingham, the problem is not an inexperienced
offensive coordinator and questionable play calling, but rather that the Ute
players simply aren't talented enough? I'm pretty shocked that he
would say this, and can't imagine that the players feel good about being
thrown under the bus.If Whittingham has pointed out where he and his
coordinators are at fault, please point me to the interview. I just don't
believe that he would make such a statement about his players without taking the
lion's share of the blame.