Comments about ‘Letter: After election, seems takers now outnumber the makers in this country’

The ten best educated states all voted for Obama. Better education equals higher income which equals higher taxes. Of the ten worst educated states, nine voted for Romney, Nevada being the only exception. Draw your own conclusions.

William Gronberg. I know I am wasting my time but "the gentleman from Massachusetts" never said that 47% do not take responsibility for their own lives! He said that about 47% don't pay federal income taxes and receive free stuff from the government and they won't vote for him". Obviously, that has proven to be true! If it wasn't he would be president! At lease be honest when you quote people, ok?
Your history of Hayden, Idaho is also wrong. Wasn't it Lewis and Clark, as representatives of the federal government, who first informed the Native Americans that "the great white father in the east now owned all their lands"? In Idaho and in Utah, that's still true!

@Mountanman

Here's the exact quote by Mitt Romney: “Our message of low taxes doesn’t connect...so my job is is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

It appears to me that William Gronberg was right on.

to the "gentleman from Hayden Idaho" who said -
@Mountanman
Hayden, ID

"I know I am wasting my time but "the gentleman from Massachusetts" never said that 47% do not take responsibility for their own lives"

He said that about 47% don't pay federal income taxes and receive free stuff from the government and they won't vote for him".

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Umm, yes he did.
and I'm calling your bluff (ie., bold-faced lie).

Here is the direct quote from "the gentleman from Massachusetts":

“All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon GOVERNMENT, who believe that they are victims, who believe the GOVERNMENT has a responsibility to care for them..."

BTW - in the future Mountanman [who even went so far as to use "quotation" marks in his comment] --
At lease be honest when you quote people, ok?

This didn't cut & paste in --
so I'm adding it as part 2, sorry ....

@Mountanman
Hayden, ID

"the gentleman from Massachusetts" who said --
"I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”

That honesty about quoting someone still applies....

"According to the Pew Research Center, 62% of Republicans during Reagan’s second term agreed that government has a responsibility to help the less-fortunate; today, only 40% believe that. Ignoring the benefits of getting people working, many conservatives now cite the growing number of non-income-taxpayers as a justification for saddling them with a larger share of the tax burden (while cutting taxes for themselves).

Stop and think about that for a moment: A Reagan-endorsed program, (the Earned Income Tax Credit), to encourage work and get people off the dole has been recast by Romney as part of a dependency-breeding culture of shiftless moochers. That isn’t just wrong or bad politics. It rejects the basic faith in Americans’ capacity for self-improvement that is supposed to lie at the heart of our national character."
(Joshua Green writing for Bloomberg)

Additionally,
"Part of the reason so many Americans don’t pay federal income taxes is that Republicans have passed a series of very large tax cuts that wiped out the income-tax liability for many Americans."
(Ezra Klein)

Semitics my esteemed critics! The bottom line is that Romney was right! Exit polling data shows that the vast majority of people receiving entitlements did not vote for Romney! Had they done so, Romney would be our president! Entitlements bought votes for Obama! Debate every word Romney did or didn't say, but entitlements bought the election for Obama.

I agree. Those lazy moochers whose income comes entirely from investments are destroying our country. 13 percent of Americans pay no payroll taxes! NO Fica, NO money to cover Medicare and Social Security! Of course it makes sense for poor people to not pay federal income taxes; that tax is and always has been a progressive income tax, and it was never intended that everyone pay it. But payroll taxes are the taxes that really matter! And those people who get all their money via investments don't pay a DIME.

Montanman would have us know that the debt grows a billion a day (in truth it is higher) but offers no alternative except perhaps the Ryan (Romney) budget. Is he aware that the Ryan budget passed by the House at least 20 times does NOT balance the budget in its 10 year projections AND projects 5% growth of GDP for all 10 years? Beating up on the President is not a plan (hey wait...that is exactly what Mitt said to the President in a debate)!

Stop arguing and show us what you've got or does it start and end only with "stop spending"?

PS. Have you thought through the reality that for every spending cut you make, you put people in both the public and private sector out of work transforming them from makers into takers?

Obama has already cost every man, woman and child in Ameria over $16,600 by adding over $5 TRILLION to the deficit. In addition, healthcare costs have increased by over $2,500 per family per year since he entered office. To add insult to injury, the average household has had a decrease of over $4,000 per year in income. Over 23,000,000 Americans are unemployed. 100,000 more of them suddenly appeared on the unemployment roles the week after the election.

If he increases the deficit and if wages are going down, just how does he expect the deficit to be paid? When companies are firing people instead of hiring people, how does he expect income tax to make a difference? If he takes money from those who COULD build businesses and hire people, how will that money pay for the welfare checks of people who COULD have had jobs.

Everything that Obama does is backwards. He penalizes the producers. His policies shut down businesses. He reduces revenue by limiting business growth. He needs to spend his time learning economics 101 instead of flying around the country agitating the people.

Audience member: For the last three years, all everybody's been told is, "Don't worry, we'll take care of you." How are you going to do it, in two months before the elections, to convince everybody you've got to take care of yourself?

Romney: There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. And I mean, the president starts off with 48, 49, 48—he starts off with a huge number. These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn't connect. And he'll be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich. I mean that's what they sell every four years.

And so my job is not to worry about those people—I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. What I have to do is convince the 5 to 10 percent in the center that are independents that are thoughtful, that look at voting one way or the other depending upon in some cases emotion, whether they like the guy or not, what it looks like. I mean, when you ask those people…we do all these polls—I find it amazing—we poll all these people, see where you stand on the polls, but 45 percent of the people will go with a Republican, and 48 or 4…

[Recording stops.]

It's pretty clear that the GOP has no new ideas. They have no plans. They offer no solutions. Folks like Mike Richards can only insult and belittle.

This is why they were soundly beaten just a few weeks ago.

I'm sorry folks, but your vision of America has been rejected.

Time to come to the negotiating table and compromise with the President. Stop making excuses.

If you do not, then I fear that you will continue to lose middle America. Yes, you'll have a few billionaires. But, unfortunately, as this election proved, money cannot buy you everything.

Google the statement. Ben Franklin never said any such tripe. According to Wiki, the earliest attribution is 1988. Do your homework!

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Everything that Obama does is backwards. He penalizes the producers. His policies shut down businesses. He reduces revenue by limiting business growth.

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Seriously?

From your previous comments, you have disclosed you are a small business owner.

You some across as someone who has taken this all too very personally, so let me ask it point blank --

Please tell us all precisely WHAT policies Pres. Obama has taken over the course of the last 4 years that has penalized your production, shut-down or impacted your daily business or has limited your business growth?

[Please be specific. Any hyperbole or generalities will simply be excused as a mindless, emotion filled rant. Be specific with actual facts and data and we will listen.}

The ball is in your court.
You have the microphone (keyboard) and a listening audience.

We kindly await your reply.

Thank You.

Surely this letter writer knew he would get a barrage of hate from the "tolerant" people. which ironically advances the credibility of his point.

"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic" Benjamin Franklin

"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have." Thomas Jefferson

It is altogether possible that Benjamin Franklin would make such a statement, he was after all a businessman.

The fact is that businessmen often broadcast lies to defend their oppression of people. Lies like:

Businessmen create jobs, rich people create jobs. Give the rich businessman more money and he will create jobs. Fact is, this is true. Given more money the rich businessman will spend more money and create a few jobs. The rest of the story is that he will fight to the death to prevent any redistribution of the money he socks away.

Businessmen will do the right thing, make the product safe, healthy and proper all by themselves, they don’t need government to tell them how to do it.

Corporations are people.

Etc. Etc. Etc.

@Ultra Bob

Whenever any poster makes the assumption that advocates of small government want NO government - I find it easy to discount such opinion as extremist, irrational, histrionic and intolerant

The "Makers" are being killed in sweat-shop factory fires in Pakistan and Bangladesh.

The "Takers" are Sam Walton's Multi-MULTI-Billionarie heirs who do nothing but kick-back and collect the profits of THEIR labors.

Maverick
It was pretty clear that BO had no new ideas. He offered no plans. He offered no solutions. That’s why he ran a campaign of class warfare and divisiveness rather than one touting any accomplishments.

Open Minded-Mormon
Please tell us ONE thing BO has done to help the economy. Be specific.

As for what you asked Mike about what BO has done to limit business growth – dudd-frank has limited credit for business expansion; EPA regulations have added burdensome costs to production and transportation; rescinding energy development permits has shut down energy production on public lands. there are three right off the top of my head.