Sorry, Brad, but I can't agree that USU was the best team in the state.
How can you tell that one team is better than another? How about having a
football game between the two? Am I wrong, or did BYU beat USU in Logan? Did
BYU lose to Boise State by only one point when BYU could have tied BSU by the
simple decision to go for one instead of two on points after a touchdown? Did
BYU lose to the Nation's Number One and undefeated team, Notre Dame, by
only three points after an errant BYU pass missed a wide-open receiver in the
fourth quarter?I congratulate Utah State for a great year. But as a
proponent of a national play-off, I will always go with a head-to-head contest
on the field to select the better team.
Sorry, that logic can be flawed. Yes, BYU was better on the given day, just like
Utah was better on the given day they beat us (BYU), and just like Utah State
was better on a given day against Utah. All in all, at minimum we BYU fans have
to at least concede a three-way tie. They were all extremely close games.
Considering Utah State and BYU also both played SJSU at their stadium and Utah
State came out on top easily whereas BYU got beat, the edge may even go to
them.As a BYU fan, I therefore humbly admit that Utah State, in my eyes,
was the best football team in the state.
Wrong LinusIt was in Provo that your mighty Kittens beat USU, are
also the only team in Utah in the national rankings. They also know who their qb
is as well as running back. Also, look who has the best defense and offense in
the state. Look at the opponents in common, all USU! And to make you feel a
little better, the Kitties did win one good game this year, the Aggies.
Nice column, Rock.
Linus,You are wrong on several accounts. You're okay labeling
Notre Dame as number one, but you won't acknowledge that a ranked Utah
State is better than an unranked BYU? The same reasoning you use about the
Boise State and Notre Dame game goes the exact same way for Utah State playing
BYU. If they just did this....or just did that....Utah State would've won.
You can argue with yourself about what-ifs, but you have to play it both ways.
If you can do simple math, Utah State is better than BYU. It's okay to
concede....even if it is (not so) mighty BYU.
Utah State is hands down the best team in the state this year really not much of
an argument can be made otherwise.Both Utah and byu were not very
good this year. Give credit where credit is due USU had a good year and I
expect they will be good next year as well unless Gary Anderson accepts an offer
from another school.
This year for USU was both fantastic and a nightmare for its fans. Their
overwhelming success will probably lose them their number one reason for that
success: Gary Andersen.
You all forget that there was a football game between BYU and USU. BYU won.
So do you consider BYU the best team in the state? What about Utah beating BYU?
Does that make Utah the best team? It goes on forever. Looking at things
currently, USU is the best team. Pretty simple.
Right on Rock.And I'm sorta embarrassed by my fellow Cougs that can't
concede the obvious: USU is the best in the state this year! Go Aggies! Stay
Like a bunch of 1st graders fighting over who is king of the playground, while
the 6th graders stand by the fence laughing at them..........
Utah State is the best football team in the State this year - PERIOD.
To J-TX, unless you are a Texas A&M fan, this was perhaps not the best
timing for your comment: Utah State is currently higher than Texas in both the
AP Poll and ESPN Power Rankings. :) Though this has been a down year for them,
BYU also happens to maintain a record of 2-1 vs Texas.We won't
even mention Texas football teams outside of University of Texas-Austin and
aggie fans are fighting over the "best in Utah" which is as important as
saying we are the best in all 50 states, except for the other 49. Try cashing
that at the grocery store. Because of their miserable year ute fans are quick to
add that if someone beats us, they must be the best. No one outside the Cache
valley cares. Hands down.
awilk7:I am actually an Oregon fan. Moved to TX from OR 7 years
ago......But while we're on the subject of Texas FB, there are
4 TX Div 1 5A High School teams I believe could beat Utah, USU or BYU...........
To 4601, your comment sounds like one coming from an SEC fan...that would it
expain everything. It's true, USU is not in the running for a national
title, nor are they a recognized football powerhouse, but they have had a
remarkable season and deserve the praise that they are receiving. It's ok,
they don't need it from you. They will stick with the BCS, AP, people that
care about an underdog succeeding...Though the state of Utah may not
have the same football pedigree as, say, Florida or Oklahoma, they have been
significant for the past 30 years. This includes a national championship, an
argument to be made for a national championship, a Heishman Trophy winner (even
Alabama has had only 1 of these), multiple top-10 finishes, BCS bowl wins
including multiple bowl wins vs. so-called "elite" conferences...the
record speaks for itself.
J-TX:If you have no ties to UT then why are you commenting on the D
News board? I'm calling rubbish.
Its nice to think we are the best in the state but it doesnt really matter... as
an Aggie Fan, the bottom line is we DID NOT beat BYU. Close and sloppy game, but
we still lost. Even if we had won, other than settling the
arguement, it doesn't really mean anything anyway... maybe next year we can
prove it with Utah at LES and BYU at Romney.As far as J-TX... not
that it can ever be proven but I would take any D1 school over any high school
team you want.
I disagree. The bottom line is that the Aggies are ranked 20th in the nation,
which is kind of a big deal for Gary and his team. I think saying that losing to
BYU is more important is a little off. Playing BYU isn't as important as
some people like to think it is. Of course we would rather have won, but who
cares. Just enjoy the moment of USU getting some recognition for once. And if
for no other reason, USU is the best team because they are without a doubt the
most fun to watch.
AGame... not sure if your comments are directed at me or not... I am on your
team, a 100% Aggie fan/alum and LOVE the season we are having.By
"not meaning anything" I meant being best in the state only matters to
us here in Utah, our Nationl Rank is not affected by being the best in the state
or not.If you ask me, I say we are best in the state... but I hate
we lost to BYU and I understand their argument for us not being the best...
although I don't buy it.Go Aggies!!!
Here is the real deal (from a cougar fan):There is no way to
conclude that USU is the best in the state. Do do so you would first have to
define 'best' (which was not done), and then identify those
characteristics that made them that. However, they are CLEARLY the most
CONSISTENT team this year. If I had to make a pick, I would vote
them as the best in the state right now. They obviously were not the best the
night they played BYU, but teams play differently all the time and anything can
happen. I don't think you can definitively say, but either way, props to
them on a GREAT season, and I hope it continues.
Ifel, I totally understand what you're saying, and I also understand why
some don't consider USU the best in the state because they lost to BYU. I
personally think the Aggies should've won the last two years (three if you
count the one in Logan) but they obviously didn't win and being ranked
doesn't change that. But looking at both teams right now, I think USU is
the better team. This isn't news, but case in point: San Jose State. I
hear people criticize USU's schedule....well, they are in the WAC, thus
they play WAC teams. According to BYU, they are superior to WAC teams, yet how
many inferior WAC teams did they play? And don't forget
Weber...that's even worse. So, even with USU's schedule they are
still ranked for a reason. Even though BYU beat them, they aren't ranked.
I think that sums it up quite well. None of this really matters, but it's
still humorous to watch others attempt to disagree without anything to back them
up. Anyway, go Aggies.
J-TX"But while we're on the subject of Texas FB, there are
4 TX Div 1 5A High School teams I believe could beat Utah, USU or BYU"Sorry new TX, but we've heard the same thing many times about the
best college basketball and football teams being able to beat the worst NBA and
NFL teams.The glaring hole in that assumption is that EVERY player
playing for BYU, Utah, and Utah State is a D-1 college football player, many
with 3 or 4 year's experience.Even the best high school teams
aren't composed entirely of D-1 players, and even if they were, it would be
like playing an entire team of Freshmen; we've seen time and time again how
much young teams struggle in any conference.Bottom line: Your Texas
HS teams would get pounded by bottom dwelling D-1 teams like Colorado.It would be comical watching Ziggy or Lotulelei wreaking havoc on your
"too big for their britches" high school teams.
I tend to think usu is the best team in the state this year despite BYU beating
them, but of course no honest utah "fan" can say that. Afterall we have
been hearing from them for the last year that utah was the better team last year
because they beat BYU even though BYU finished with more wins and a national
ranking. Of course they alternately told us that utah was better than colorado
last year despite the fact they lost to colorado, at home no less, because utah
won more games.I guess the point is that honesty and consistency are
not particularly strong traits in utah "fans".
It's great to see USU on the rise. I hope Johnson stays in Logan a long
time. Given what I have seen the last couple of years, I think he has the talent
to build that program into a perennial winner, much like Boise State has been
over the last decade. I realize that probably the biggest challenge in keeping
him is money as his stock rises. But if he stays and they keep playing the way
they're playing he would justify that big salary given the economics of
today's game. As a Utah fan, I would love to see the type of
intensity of this years game every year. Despite Utah's disappointing year,
I think the quality of football being played in Utah is higher than it's
ever been, at all levels.GO UTES!!!
Let USU have their time in the sun. They deserve it.
re: Guam_Bomberr ... would that be Anderson and not Johnson ?
DuckhunterBeating a team 6-3 at home is not comparable to beating
one 54-10 on the road. I think you're smart enough to understand the
difference between a close game and complete domination, but for some reason you
still continue to fight it.
Two For FlinchingA lopsided score doesn't necessarily prove
domination either.How many times have we seen a basketball team
suffer a lopsided defeat in their first game against an opponent, and then
return the favor in the rematch? And, that's not just restricted to home
courts, sometimes both lopsided wins happen on the opponents' home
courts.It doesn't happen as often in football, simply because
there are so few rematches, but it does happen.Utah's lopsided
2011 win was fueled mainly by seven BYU turnovers. Can you honestly say that BYU
couldn't have beaten Utah just as badly in a rematch if the turnover bug
had bitten Utah instead of BYU in the second game?Bottom line,
whether close or lopsided, one game does not a season make.Utah
State is the best team in the state this year based on their overall record, not
because they beat Utah or lost to BYU.
In the end you can't use game day outcome to determine the better team in
the season. Just look at the final records and you will have no trouble saying
that USU BYU Utah is how it fanned out this year. Head to head only matters when
it comes to tie breaker situations. 7-5 is NEVER better than 10-2 and 5=7 is
never better than 7-5...
oh Utah fans are gonna be mad to have had their stadium referred to as LES! LOL