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Published: Tuesday, Nov. 27 2012 4:25 p.m. MST

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emotionalfriend
sandy, UT

SameJersey, it's not all about winning football games, it's about tv money. If it was about winning games, do you think Maryland and Rutgers would have received an invitation to the Big 10? Rutgers and Maryland opens up large tv markets for the Big Ten: New York City, Washington DC, and Baltimore.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

I have a feeling the whole BCS is moving towards 4-5 super conferences. BYU is going to get left out in the cold. No conference want a new member telling what days they will, and will not play games on.

Jealous U
Alpine, UT

Spokane Ute

Unless the super conferences exclude Independents from the playoffs (which will never happen as long as Notre Dame is Independent), BYU doesn't have to worry about "being left out in the cold."

There are so many bowls out there that a bowl eligible BYU would never have to worry about not being invited to a bowl, and "bcs access" bowls will still be available.

Unless the super conference want to see half their teams finish with losing records and no bowls, they need opponents from the "other 5" to give the bottom dwellers like Utah a chance to qualify for a bowl.

No Conference Will Take Us
SEATTLE, WA

SportsFan
Orem, UT

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"Have you seen the ratings of BYU on ESPN this year?"

Have you?

All I know is this from an article published Nov 13, 2012.

"In the second year of a seven-year TV deal with ESPN, is the worldwide leader in sports unhappy because the Cougars haven’t delivered on the field?"

"Nothing could be further from the truth," said Ilan Ben-Hanan, ESPN’s vice president of programming and acquisitions. "We are thrilled with our partnership with BYU. And I don’t use that word lightly. We are genuinely thrilled."

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Stick to knitting or something you know more about, because you obviously don't understand ANYTHING about college football television marketing.

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Sigh.

Naturally ESPN is going to say that. Their money is on the line. And the other poster is right. BYU ratings were not all that great the past two years. Utah even had a higher bowl game rating than BYU did last season. I wish fellow BYU fans would stop pretending to know things they know nothing about.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

no conference championships for U

Naturally a BYU-hater like yourself is going to bury his head in the sand and pretend that ESPN is lying when the vice president of ESPN programming and acquisitions says, "We are thrilled with our partnership with BYU. And I don’t use that word lightly. We are genuinely thrilled."

I wish that Utah trolls would stop pretending to know things they know nothing about.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@JealousU

Unless you belong to a conference, your bowl possibilies are quite limited: Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl; a bowl that a conference couldn't fill because they didn't have enough bowl eligiable teams (Military, Ticket City, New Mexico Bowl, etc.); or a BCS bowl. Under the current fcrmat, BYU will never be able to play in the Alamo, Holiday or Sun Bowl. That's just the way it is. That's the advantage of playing in a conference, especially a BCS conference.

@Utenymous

Utah Troll? Too funny. No, just a Utah fan discussing the BCS and conference system. The positives, the negatives, etc; on a open forum.

deductive reasoning
Arlington, VA

Spokane Ute

The corrolary to your "limited bowl options" for an Independent, is that BYU will be forced to raise its program to a higher level in order to qualify for the playoffs or a bcs access bowl, instead of being satisfied with 8-5 seasons and Sun Bowl wins over other mediocre, middle-of-the-conference teams.

Frankly, I'd much rather go to a bowl game in San Diego, San Francisco or Las Vegas, than El Paso.

ND95CA
Lincoln Park, IL

Spokane Ute

"Utah Troll? Too funny. No, just a Utah fan discussing the BCS and conference system."

Really?

Why do you spend so much time whining about BYU fans "discussing" sports on Utah articles?

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

ND95CA

Because they do? Big difference between discussing, and hating.

Deductive Reasoning

I would rather see my team play better competition than play in a prefered city, but that's just me. I never travel to bowl games......too poor! A playoff format is way out in the future. BYU would have to go 11-1 or undefeated to go to a BCS bowl; tall task! Another perk of playing in a BCS conference, you can go 8-4 and still play in a BCS bowl. If Utah would have beaten Colorado and Oregon last year, they would have played in the Rose Bowl with a 9-4 record. "If" being the key word.

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

Spokane Ute

Mathematically, the 68th team in the NCAA tournament COULD win the NCAA championship.

Realistically, just like Utah beating Oregon to get to the Rose Bowl last season, that's NEVER going to happen.

A team that couldn't even beat lowly 10-loss Colorado at home last season, had absolutely NO CHANCE of beating Oregon.

Your bcs "perk" is only a fantasy.

Instead of thinking up fantasy scenarios about how the Utes could backdoor their way into the Rose Bowl, you should spend more time figuring out how Utah is going to beat their first PAC 12 team with a winning record.

JonnyDanger
HOUSTON, TX

Louisville going to the ACC set a new precedent: Until now, conferences were very vocal about non-football issues in re-alignment, even though everyone knew that football and the $$ it generates was driving the bus. But the ACC added Louisville for their sports only-there is no way Louisville fits into that conference academically!

Would that open the door for Boise, who has a stellar football program, but marginal other sports and academics to join a big conference? Perhaps that would be enough to sway the liberal-leaning administrators in the PAC to invite BYU. I don't know.

For my money, I vote we wait it out in Independence. This is a good gig, good for the fans outside of Utah, getting better for the fans in Utah, and scheduling should get even easier with teams needing solid non-con schedules for the 4-team playoff. Stay where you are until someone presents an offer you can't refuse.

starthillnotnelson
Kamas/United States, UT

There is so much conference realignment going around, I can't keep track of anyone anymore. Here is my proposal: Make a new conference. I don't think anyone will like this scenario in the future: only 6 conferences, all with 16 teams. Everyone else will be independent. Next thing we know Division 1 will be split into 3 parts: FCS, FBS, and the Independents. (I actually read an article about this. This might not be real, but if it is, football is doomed.

CanuckFan
Vancouver, BC

Although the legacy "fit" is not there, the long-term fit is really with a "PAC-16". The overriding factor is MONEY, followed by the others (geography/transportation, Sunday play, academic ranking, research/graduate level depth, religion, quality of team/program etc.). Money wins out every time in sports. The PAC will need to get to 16 teams and the alternatives are somewhat dim when you try to come up with 4 teams. When weighing all those factors mentioned BYU is clearly in the "top 4".

In the mean time, the strategy was 3 steps:(1) exit MWC/TV contract, (2) build revenue and brand value through ESPN and independene, (3) set yourself up (patiently) for future negotiations to join or rejoin a conference. Use existing value/contracts to negotiate.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@ Canuck fan

Good post and totally agree; pick up BYU, SDSU, Boise State and Fresno St/Airforce and call it a day. I think we are heading to 4-5 super conferences anyway. Could you imagine the travel cost of heading back east twice a month? It makes no sense, but football drives the bus. Interesting stat: Kentucky Football makes twice the revenue as Kentucky basketball.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

I love how spokaneute actually believes that him, and otehr utah "fans", pointing out negatives or problems with BYU and their situation on BYU articles is justis just "discussing" the topic at hand whereas a BYU fan pointing out a negative about utah or its situation is "hate". LOL!

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Did somebody say something?

LOL!

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah
Spokane Ute

Your bcs "perk" is only a fantasy.

Instead of thinking up fantasy scenarios about how the Utes could backdoor their way into the Rose Bowl, you should spend more time figuring out how Utah is going to beat their first PAC 12 team with a winning record.

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And you should spend more time figuring out how BYU is going to beat a ranked team at the time they play them.

Zing!

BYUs schedule next year is a fantasy. And it will become reality when as usual, BYU can't compete.

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

Duckhunter
Highland, UT
I love how spokaneute actually believes that him, and otehr utah "fans", pointing out negatives or problems with BYU and their situation on BYU articles is justis just "discussing" the topic at hand whereas a BYU fan pointing out a negative about utah or its situation is "hate". LOL!

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How many avatars do you have here again?

Jealous U
Alpine, UT

WACpaddled

"And you should spend more time figuring out how BYU is going to beat a ranked team at the time they play them."

LOL at your silly qualifier!

Any fan who's not totally clueless knows that the ONLY ranking that counts is the final ranking, which means, unless currently ranked #20/#22 Utah State suffers a monumental meltdown in their bowl game, BYU beat a ranked team THIS SEASON, which is more than that bowl-less pretender on the hill can say.

MLH
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

sammy

The commissioner answers to the Presidents of the schools. No-way BYU ever gets in, trust me it's not all football and athletics. And the orginal PAC10 is now the PAC12 Utah and Colorado are involved in all the conversations. You are excactlly right when you say it's time for this to all end, BYU is right where it should be right now. Hope the BIG12 calls that's where you belong not with the PAC12. If you get nto a conference though there will no longer be 6 gimme wins. As we have found out the hard way, it will be the same way for your cougs.

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