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Published: Tuesday, Nov. 27 2012 4:25 p.m. MST

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Down under
Pullman, WA

Mapel Don,
From your expert opinion I assume that you sit on the PAC 10.2 board and have the inside scoop. Thanks for expert insight.
I agree that Sunday play is a problem for BYU but I admire any institution that wil stand by its principles regardless of what the secular worls will say. it is NOT all about money.

anti BCS
Anaheim, CA

SoonerUte

"Sunday play was never the issue. The common "problem" when negotiating with the PAC12, Big12, and Big East has been television rights."

As far as the Big East and Big 12, you're mostly correct, although Sunday play was somewhat of an issue for the Big 12.

As for the PAC 12, you couldn't be more wrong.

The PAC 12 ADs were in favor of inviting BYU, but some of the PAC 12 presidents were adamantly opposed to inviting ANY religiously-based school, whether that was Baylor or BYU. The reason Colorado was invited just before the Big 12 South-PAC 10 merger was finalized, was to exclude Baylor. When the merger fell apart, the PAC 10 went to their fall-back plan, which was Utah.

"Research University" status was given to the public as the main reason for inviting Utah instead of BYU, but that was only their official "excuse" since at least one Big 12 South school has the exact same Reseach University classification as BYU.

Bottom line is the quality of athletic programs at Colorado, Utah and BYU was never even a consideration.

OHBU
Columbus, OH

Sunday play is a non-issue. Fact is, the super conferences are for football, that's why you're seeing more and more "football only" members of conferences. Should the PAC feel the need to expand to 16, as many think they will, this will likely be the loophole that keeps them relevant in football, while also retaining certain ideas as a conference. It's very plausible that they invite BYU, Boise, SDSU as football only members. Football is never played on Sunday, so there's no problem there.

To those saying an invite depends on winning, didn't Rutgers and Maryland just join the Big Ten? Yeah, it's all about television.

PAC man
Anaheim, CA

junkgeek

"Lavell Edwards Stadium would make a good new MTC."

We were thinking RES would be a better choice since it's closer to church headquarters and the airport and will become a sea of empty red chairs anyway as soon as the Utes suffer a couple more losing seasons; see the HC.

Whoa Nellie
American Fork, UT

hamrdown,

Keep on believing that the PAC wanted Utah for the TV market if you want. If that was a factor in their reasoning they were sorely misguided. BYU has always dominated the Salt Lake TV market. Maybe that will change in the future but smart money says BYU will continue to dominate the advertising dollars. (See theMtn.)

JohnInSLC
Cottonwood Heights, UT

"I wonder if the original PAC10 are talking behind closed doors now?"

Yes, sam, they're laughing at the fact that poor old Utah this year was still able to beat a then-ranked team (which never resurfaced), but byu couldn't. It is so amusing to see byu's fans talk and act like they have maintained relevance on the national scene. Hah!

Levin
Hightstown, NJ

@Whoa,Nellie, the Pac-12 decision was probably less about advertising dollars now than subscriber fees. The Pac-12 didn't need two Utah teams to get on a lower cable tier (i.e. more fee income). Out of the two teams that could get Pac-12 games on SLC TVs, UofU was the better fit for the conference. They made a fine choice picking a state university, with a medical school, world-renowned graduate programs, recent BCS success, and, yes, fewer accommodations than BYU.

Now, if they need to expand for the sake of getting quality football teams to compete with other "super conferences", it's really hard for me to see them not taking BYU.

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

OHBU said:

"Sunday play is a non-issue. Fact is, the super conferences are for football, that's why you're seeing more and more "football only" members of conferences. Should the PAC feel the need to expand to 16, as many think they will, this will likely be the loophole that keeps them relevant in football, while also retaining certain ideas as a conference. It's very plausible that they invite BYU, Boise, SDSU as football only members. Football is never played on Sunday, so there's no problem there......"

Uh you might want to look at this seasons scheduling, and even a few years back. There were games played on Sunday. Not a lot, but games were played on Sunday.

Solomon Levi
Alpine, UT

JohnInSLC

"they're laughing at the fact that poor old Utah this year was still able to beat a then-ranked team"

Nope, they're crying in their sauce wondering how BYU came so close to beating #1-ranked Notre Dame in South Bend, when mighty pre-season #1 USC looked so pitiful in failing to score with seven chances inside 10 at home.

BYU at Notre Dame 14-17
Notre Dame at USC 22-13

OHBU
Columbus, OH

re: NightOwlAmerica

Wow, you got me. There were two games played on Sunday, out of over 720. I'm sure this means it will be a problem. Let me amend my statement so you can sleep again.

In football, Sunday play is not an issue, since only about 0.3% of games are played on Sunday.

In other words, my entire point still stands, if BYU is invited as a football-only member, then the only details that need to be ironed out are TV related.

ItrustNo1
La Grange, TN

It amazes me how Utah fans, whose fan base consists of an area about 30 miles wide around their University, thinks being in the Pac 12, which by all accounts is the weakest conference among the Big 12, Big 10, ACC, SEC, and Pac 12, makes them suddenly something special. Maybe if Utah could win a few Football, Basketball and/or Baseball games in this very average conference they could expand the tiny fan base they have. If it weren't for Oregon, Stanford and USC, no one would even talk about the Pac 12. I would think it wiser if Utah fans would stay still until there teams started to win once in a while. Saying yes to a Pac 12 offer to join their conference does not make Utah or any other University great until they win something of substance.....like a few games. I know the next move for you Utah fans will be to bash BYU....Well, I am not a fan of either school so knock yourself out. I am just observing the obvious. BYU has a fan base that fills stadiums everywhere they go.. why do you think ESPN gave them their own contract?

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

anti BCS - we'll just disagree. I don't buy the "religious persecution" theory. It doesn't hold up now that we know more about BYU's bargaining style. They walk in the door with a stake in the ground of "we need to retain television rights". That's a hassle, and there are plenty of other teams that don't have the hassle.

Look at TCU joining the Big 12. What is the major difference between TCU and BYU (other than TCU's dominance over BYU on the football field)? TCU was willing to turn over their television rights to the league, and BYU was not.

Now, it's easy to understand what REALLY happened when BYU talked with Larry Scott. Larry Scott had several teams to choose from. Utah and Colordao didn't demand television rights. BYU and Texas had those demands, and they got passed over.

Solomon Levi
Alpine, UT

upinthenight

How many regular season PAC 12 football games have been played on Sunday in the last 10 years?

Anybody trying to argue that no-Sunday play for a football-only member would be an issue is simply grasping at straws.

BYU has been competing in men's volleyball in the MPSF (which play games on Sunday) against UCLA, USC, Stanford and other California schools since the 90's with no problems whatsoever.

Since the NFL plays on Sunday, there's not even a remote possibility that the PAC 12 would ever consider playing a regular Sunday schedule of conference footbal games.

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

Just stating the obvious OHBU.

You specifically said "Football is never played on Sunday, so there's no problem there......"

I simply responded to that comment. Take it any way you want.

In addition, with the NFL looking at scheduling more games down the road during the week. Don't be surprised to see the NCAA play more games on Sundays.

Solomon Levi
Alpine, UT

upinthenight

You're only fooling yourself if you think the PAC 12 would ever be dumb enough to try to compete head-to-head with the NFL on a regular basis.

2 games out of 720 is proof that you're still grasping at straws.

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SoonerUte

"I don't buy the "religious persecution" theory."

Whether you buy it or not, the religious bigotry of some of the member institutions in the PAC 12 in not wanting to be associated with any religiously-based school is a matter of record; it's the reason the PAC 12 anxiously invited Colorado before the PAC 12/Big 12 South merger was finalized, to lock Baylor out of the deal.

News For U
Sandy, Utah

@ ItrustNo1

"It amazes me how Utah fans, whose fan base consists of an area about 30 miles wide around their University, thinks being in the Pac 12, which by all accounts is the weakest conference among the Big 12, Big 10, ACC, SEC, and Pac 12, makes them suddenly something special".

Well this week according to ESPN (BYU's sugar daddy) the Pac-12 and the Big 12 were tied as the second best conference in college football behind the SEC. Do you really believe the ACC and the Big Ten are better conferences this year than the Pac-12? Typical Y'ner desperately trying to find something to belittle Utah and the Pac-12.

#utesnation
Centerville, UT

@solomon Levi

So I see you're still bragging about your LOSSES huh? If the U is so bad why can't the cougies beat'em? 3 peat, 8 of 11 baby!!

JohnInSLC
Cottonwood Heights, UT

"wondering how BYU came so close to beating #1-ranked Notre Dame in South Bend, when mighty pre-season #1 USC looked so pitiful in failing to score with seven chances inside 10 at home.
BYU at Notre Dame 14-17
Notre Dame at USC 22-13"

No, Levi, they're now laughing at your breathtaking logic taken to its final conclusion: Since Notre Dame only beat BYU by 3 then San Jose State (who beat the Y by 7) should be in the NC game!

If one could put that reasoning to music, it would sound like "Rise And Shout, The Cougars Are Out"!

Turtles Run
Missouri City, TX

Even though BYU and U of H are in down years I would love to see these two teams hook up on an ongoing basis. The programs are both high mid-tier teams that play solid football Plus cougar versus cougar is too hard to resist.

A1994
Centerville, UT

Leaving independence for the Big East would be a lot like leaving an iceberg to get on a sinking ocean liner.

Louisville just left the Big East for the ACC today. I'd be surprised to see BYU jump into that kind of conference. They might as well just join C-USA.

It will be VERY interesting if the Big 12 ends up getting Florida State and Clemson. The PAC 12 probably doesn't want to sit still at that point. Who do they get? Ultimately, I would like to see BYU in the PAC 12. If just to make Utah fans absolutely crazy.

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