Published: Monday, Nov. 26 2012 12:00 a.m. MST
Education, K-12 and beyond is not addressing real needs:I had a
student at a local universality, who told me that in her HS health class she had
to put a condom on a banana! Great. We have students that can't write a
complete sentence but, glory hallelujah, they can put a condom on a banana!A friend of mine called his daughter's school to ask that she not
be involved in the Harvey Milk assembly. When the principal told him she
doesn't have a choice, he said he'll just keep her home. The Principal
told him that she'll need a signed doctor's excuse!We
spend thousands of $ on interschool sports that have absolutely nothing to do
with education.My son received his masters degree as a prominent
eastern university. His complaint: They had to water down the courses so that
the "affirmative action" students could pass the classes.Unless a teacher is sexually involved with a student, you can't get rid
of a poor teacher.20% of entering college students have to take at
least one non credit remedial class.The list goes on and on and on.
Bob, you lost your last election because you don't understand that nation.
If you want to get more people to enter into math and science related fields,
you have to change people's attitudes. Unfortunately in today's
society when somebody likes science or math they are labled a "geek" or
"nerd" or some other deragatory term. Meanwhile on television the
programming glorifies lawyers, doctors, businessmen, singers, actors, and
non-science related jobs. Ask most any teenager if they want to sit behind a
desk doing math and science, or if they want to do one of the jobs that they see
on TV and most kids will do the popular thing.So, the challenge is
this, how do you change society's attitude about people in Math and
Science? You couldn't make a TV series because the science would bore
people, and there are few science and engineering jobs that could be marketed as
exciting to the general population.
Mr. Bennett, consider this:Job creation has been lackluster since we
lowered tax rates during the Bush Administration. As wealth has become
increasingly concentrated at the top, fewer jobs are being created.One factor:"The financial sector, which includes lending,
stock brokerage, complex securities and insurance, among many other services,
derives enormous profits from collateralized debt obligations. These new
products require such sophisticated engineering that the industry now focuses
its recruiting on new master’s- and doctoral-level graduates of science,
engineering, math and physics, and pays them starting wages that are five times
or more what they would have earned had they remained in their own fields.“Because these new hires are often the very individuals who otherwise
would have comprised the most robust pool of prospective founders of high-growth
companies, the financial services industry’s steady rise has had a
cannibalizing effect on entrepreneurship in the U.S. economy,” said Paul
Kedrosky, Kauffman Foundation senior fellow and one of the paper’s
authors. “Excessive financialization exacerbated and distorted the flow of
capital in the economy, potentially suppressing entrepreneurship by drawing away entrepreneurial talent.”(Has the Growth of the Financial
Sector Harmed the Economy?" )
Blame business.When businesses short change a PhD starting wages at
$40K - Why should someone invest 8 years of lost earnings, and $100K
in-debt to earn barely 2X minimum wage?When I worked at Boeing, we
hired Engineers from India and China because $20/hr was a King's ransom
back home.They rented apartments in America, while buying huge
mansions to move back to later.Unions stop this from happening, Government can't, Businesses won't.
Blame the state Legislature. They're the ones preventing
educators from educating. They're the ones constantly interfering with
things they have no idea on.
Our whole society actually villifies intelligent people, especially engineers,
scientists and the like. Education is delivering basketball and football
players, which is exactly what we want it to do.
Re:Redshirt""Unfortunately in today's society when somebody
likes science or math they are labled a "geek" or "nerd" Nothing new or recent about that.The "jocks" and
"popular group have long viewed the science/math students as geeks/nerds.
Whether that affects the choice of major comes down to the individual's
personality, and perhaps it also has to do with the school environment and
population. I would say neither of my engineer sons suffered socially.
Aptitude also plays a role. Engineering is a very demanding major requiring and
not everyone has an aptitude for the math/science skills required to be
successful. The elementary school my sons attended started differentiating
kids according to math skills, in 3rd grade. Strong, medium and those students
who struggled with math attended class with students of similar aptitude (for
math only). Did this help? I don't know. The school district was in a
relatively affluent community where many of the parents had college degrees. We are failing poor and lower middle class children. We need to figure
out how to help these families and the schools that serve them.
No, Red, Mr. Bennett lost the election because he carries Common Sense in his
head and tries to use it.
To "Truthseeker" that is a nice story, but how do you change
society's attitude towards math and science?
Higher Ed (College and beyond) is the biggest pyramid scheme in America. People
put a ton of money in, with no guarantee of return...but I digress...There
are so many problems with our antiquated education system. What we have worked
great in the early and mid 20th century. What we need is a reboot of the whole
system with a complete redesign of how we approach everything. We need some
leaders to make this happen. The piece meal approach of current government just
makes it worse. There are a lot of great ideas how to make it better; we need
action and a new system in which to perform them.I do agree with Bob, we
can do it...Just need everyone to work together and be willing to compromise
instead of criticizing and complaining.
I have seven daughters and two sons. I am very much for women getting higher
education. However, with by far a majority of college students being female, you
are not likely to see very more science and engineering degrees pursued.All my life, I have tried to interest my daughters (and wife) in things
that interest guys, like those subjects. But have largely failed. The reason?
Science and math, etc, though my girls are good at them, don't keep them
fascinated.Programs that have promoted women in college,
unfortunately, have made men, especially white men, but ultimately all men, less
able to compete against women. In K-12, women do better being quiet and sitting
better AND getting homework done. Males do better standing, moving, and learning
by doing. Our education system is dominated by females, and is much more female
friendly, and less male friendly.Teachers' unions prevent
paying math and science teachers more than other teachers. This means they lose
the best to the private sector. Without good teachers in science & math in
K-12, you won't have young men ready to pursue college degrees in those
areas. No amount of programs can change the nature of genders.
Aren't these the same legilators who constantly cut and cut education andvillify and cut funding to these very same Scientists and
Engineers when they make mention and warn us about Global Warming or Stem Cell
reasearch?Then we wonder why no on goes into those already low
paying jobs.And YES - this is a shot at the Republicans and their
6,000 year old flat earth anti-progressive thinking.
To "LDS Liberal" but the studies out there show that over the past 30
years Utah has doubled its spending on education (adjusted for inflation), and
the test scores are about the same.So, if we are spending more than
we have in the past, and have not seen any improvement, why should we throw more
money at the system?(FYI, it is the flat earthers who are joining in
on Progressive thinking.)
Mr Bennett hints at a fundamental problem - the misalignment of jobs and
degrees. One way to address this is to require schools to be completely
transparent in reporting graduation and jobs obtained statistics (so a lawyer
who now works at Starbucks would not be counted as "employed").
For-profit schools are notorious for their abuses in this regard, and should
face dis-accredidation for these tactics.
What law school will eschew new students? Their business is churning out new
J.D.'s, whether there are jobs in the law for them or not. But, having so
many lawyers as legislators, certainly they will do what they've done so
well for centuries, muddle the law more so you need more of them to untangle the
messes they help create. ObamaCare may become part of that boon and boom!And, on the 'flat-earther' commentator, may I suggest that we
give the parents of children a voucher worth just 90% of what we pay for them
now in public education. I guarantee you, they'll be much better educated
for a lower cost.But, of course that effort would be thwarted again,
as it was before in this state, by the education complex. While many public
school teachers do their best, the education complex, which pays very high
salaries comparatively, still can't deliver better results. Of course, the
breakdown of families is much to blame. Still, true choice would still bring
overall much better results. I guarantee it.
Dave,According the 2011 census the population of the US is
approximately 311591917. Of that number 23.7% are under 18 and 50.08% are
female. That makes 311591917*0.237=73847284 female. Of those
73847284*0.508=37514420 girls under 18 in the US in 2011 (approx.).In your family there are 8 females and 3 males. Your assumptions on what
girls like and what boys like are based on a sample size of 8/37514420 =
2.1325*10^-7 or 0.0000213%. Your statement on girls like to sit and
boys like to run also ignores selection effects such as the girls you are basing
your assumption on all come from the same cultural environment; they're
your kids. So given that the commonality of having the same father is probably
more of an effect than 'all girls like to sit'.But then,
what do I know? I'm just a girl.
Education needs to be more focused on what students need and not union
politics.Charter schools, vouchers will give parents more choice. Minorities and
poor will not be stuck in poor performing schools. More open-minded,
out-of-the-box thinking will help our children maximize the use of their talents
and abilities instead of simply passing them along from one grade to another.
For those who pay attention to education spending and student performance, they
will see that excellence in education depends on HOW money is spent, not just
HOW MUCH money is spent on education.
An argument I hear a lot is that executive pay is high because companies need to
be able to attract the best talent. And yet I hear teachers get demonized for
demanding a livable wage. Don't we want to attract the best teachers for
In Alberta a teacher who has been teaching for 5 years averages $74,000 a year
in wages. The teaching positions are highly sought after, and if a teachers
class does not perform academically they are replaced as there are many good
teachers waiting to take their place.A high school graduate from
Alberta who attends university in USA and takes business as a major has all
their math and science requirements waived as these are all high school
requirements there.Do you think the higher level of learning and the
much higher teacher salaries are accidental? (Canada ranks 3rd in world
education)In the Tribune today a headline notes that Utah ranks in
the bottom half of the country for high school graduation rates.When
the teachers position in Utah is paid what it should be and what it is in other
places the students will benefit, the teachers will excell or be replaced and
education will be put in the right place.Mr. Bennett the title of
the article should be "what Utah needs to fix is education" we
don't need to look outside out own state until we have a higher level of
To "Doug10" you realize that even if we wanted to replicate what is
being done in Canada, the teacher's union would stop it. Just try and get
an underperforming teacher fired. You have a better chance of winning
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