Amy this is a great article. Open enrollment in Utah appears to be Open
without supervision. At least until someone screams on the other person. A
District, a Principal or a School AD should be totally embraced over the
problems on eligibilty. The ones we know about are ususally brought to
light by other students having to comply or get caught not complying. Utah we
need to clean up our act on all eligibilty requirements.
Worst offenders: Timp View, Bingham, Cottonwood, East. Solution? Mandate
players play where they live. If they want to play somewhere else, they sit out
a year and lose that years eligibility.
Play where you want, transfer once per year, get the uhsaa out of students
lives, penalize coaches that recrute, school is for the kids not the coaches,
fans and NOT the uhsaa.
I know this family and they are wonderful people. They had 3 kids that graduated
from Provo High in '09 but they rented their home out so they could move
away from Provo High. You don't know why they left, so who are you to judge
the fact they should have gone back to Provo? And when they moved back, their
youngest son went to Timpview instead of Provo High. None of this would have
come to light if an envious player hadn't said anything. Take
the story for what it is, it's laid out in plain facts. No one is asking
for sympathy because they are basically telling it the way it is. There was no
recruiting involved and there was a hardship that need not be said.
If you have a hard and fast rule you could end up make life difficult for those
who aren't trying to break any rules. Humans aren't predictable robots
who have control of their environment, surely this mom/aunt or friend had no
intention to break rules, the coaches had no way to know a rule was being
broken, the school should not have been punished or had to forfeit any
victories. From a court standpoint having open enrollment but for varsity kids
is a conflict that at some point is going to get shoot down. This is really
about is envy, as written a kid who WASN'T granted the right to transfer
"ratted out" the player because he was jealous. If Timpview wins and has
good parental involvement rather than trying to tear it down and having jealousy
for their success why not work for the same thing at other schools? If you see a
clear case of a fake divorce so a kid can live with dad in the "good"
schools boundaries deny it, but in this case leave it alone. Is the activities
assoc trying to punish teams for winning?
@Cache - Maybe so but I do recall Mountain Crest having to forfeit 3 games last
year for an ineligible move in player regardless of that situation. Mountain
Crest is a 5A school that petitions to stay in and play in 4A you should have no
trouble beating smaller schools with your large base of home grown talent.
I have honestly reached the point where I am tired of hearing about these
stories. The UHSAA has rules in place, it isn't their duty to make sure
someone understands English! The UHSAA needs to be strict on these
"living with uncle so and so" stories. For every legit case there are 50
that are bucking the system. Play where you live. Problem solved.
CTJ Fan:I was wondering about that statement a little myself. I
wonder if Beaver has any players from Milford. I hear Delta is robbing Millard
blind of quality football athletes. I hear North Sanpete is losing players to
Manti.It might be an issue in urban schools but most schools in Utah
are actually rural and PLAY with their own players from their own communities.
I think even some 4A/5A schools in more isolated areas, and Cache
Valley would qualify for that, are in the same boat, playing with their own
players. Now would these players in question up there "wash
out" at Provo. What is meant by wash out? Being familiar with both schools
in the district, both have excellent, caring teachers. The football coaches at
Provo might not have the winning program that Timpview has but they are caring
individuals that have high expectations of their students in the community and
classroom. Whether they washed out or not would be entirely up to them. But
perhaps they could have been invaluable cogs of building something that needed
building rather than just being cogs in the wheel of a football machine...
The state has an open enrollment law that allows parents to send their children
to any school they want — for any reason. You don't have to live in
the boundaries of West Jordan High to benefit from the programs offered at that
school.If my kid was food at band, he would go to the best band
school. If academics at school A was a 2 out of 10....and nearby school B was a
10/10...I would send him to school B.Just like the Lone Peak QB that
came from Jordan because he wouldn't see the field. It is perfectly fine
to give your child the best scenario possible to succeed. Every school has out
of boundary kids MC!
"" Every school has out-of- boundary kids" said Mr. McKee. This is
just not true. Not ONE single kid on the Mountain Crest football roster lives
outside the school boundaries........ Not one. Check with officials at the
school if you do not believe me.
The bottom line the high school association needs to adjust and change some
rules. There's a lot of kids living with reletives nowadays and they need
to adjust to that. But the fact that they don't take into account the whole
situation is a shame, and too punish a whole team because of that is ridiculous.
You can switch for hardship but not for sports, so basically they file a piece
of paper this is all right, that doesn't stop kids from going to other
school to play sports that just punishes the ones who don't know how to get
around the system. Doesn't make a lot of sense too me. Especially when they
allow public schools different rules where they can recruit but others
can't yet they have to play each other, that makes not sense at all either.
Why does Juan Diego reload every year, they have an advantage over every other
3A school. Someone with some common sense needs to take that over and change
Open enrollment. If any school or individual has an issue with it they can speak
to their local representative and work on getting that changed. Until then the
arguments of community and how other schools feel is a waste of time. Regardless
both these boys are done with Timpview football and obtained their goal of a
successful season. In my opinion they would of washed out at Provo.
I agree with eagle . . . And between Provo and Westlake you have Lehi, AF, PG,
Lone Peak, Timp and Orem and they happen to pick Timpview, how very convenient.
Funny how you don't hear about transfers to Juab, Delta, Cyprus, Murray,
Uintah, Grand, etc. Part of high school sports is about participation. What
about those who don't make these teams because kids and parents
"shop" programs and take valued roster spots? It is sad that the
community spirit is lost on these kids and how they end up car pooling and
spending more time on I 15 than in the towns that support the various schools
through the years. It's fine that these adults care about their own and
others to take them in and give them homes and loving support but if they would
commit to schools locally, volunteer in class rooms and show caring support at
any school, these kids will do just fine. Why don't you do an in-depth
look into the rosters of the top teams and see where some of these kids and
their families really live because of "hardship".
So it seems like the family knew they were in Provo High boundaries. Did I read
that right? And other family members attended Provo High? But the one that was
really good at football ended up at Timpview? As did the other young man in
question? I wonder how Provo High should feel all about this.