LDS LIBERAL,I agree with you on much of your criteria. You sound
economically liberal but the rest seems reasonable and founded in rational
civics/religion/philosophy. I lived for 3.5 years in Utah during school and my
wife is from Utah. I would call Utah's voters far more informed than in
many of the states which I have lived. I have see many many informed persons
get very involved in Utah Politics. If you take the Utah voting populace and
compare them to Chicago Urban voters or Cleveland Urban Voters or Detroit Urban
voters you'd find less "misinformation" in the most rural or
"presupposed backward rural Utah". I've been in both....I'd
call Minnesota the most perplexing voting state I have ever lived in....
I left the Utah Democratic Party and joined the Socialist Pary - USA because the
Utah Democratic Party keeps trying to be the GOP lite. Utah Democrats - stand
for something or find another hobby.
"The landslide election for Republicans in this state was driven more by the
intense and irrational hatred conservatives hold for President Obama than by any
specific policies embraced by Democrats."Most people in Utah
intensely dislike Obama for his policies. Calling that "irrational" is
a typical left-wing guilt trip - which by the way - is why I have an intense
hatred for "tolerant" left-wing politics, which are often little more
than industrial strength shame and hypocrisy (therefore I am stuck in the
conservative camp by default).
LOL!!!!Now replace democrat with republican on the national level.
Still LOL!!! Funny.
What we need is an abolition of all political parties in the country and term
limits across the board. Then people will vote based on their concience and the
people we elect will legislate based on their conscience and won't sell out
to big corporations and offshore banks like Republicans and Democrats do.
Is it really necessary to call names, as if we were on the playground in sixth
grade, when talking about political issues? Just because someone does not see
things the same way you do, or vote the same way you do, or bases their
decisions on what they accept as their value system, does not make them any less
"informed" than you.
procuradorfiscalTooele, UTRe: "Utah Democrats must adapt to
become a viable political party"It'll never happen.============== Utah was Democrat from 1847 - 1970's.Most of it's history has been Democrat.Brigham Young even
assigned members to be Republicans back in the day because it was so
lop-sided.They way things are going, if they don't change on
their own -- I wouldn't be surprised to see something like that
happening again.2 Nephi 2:11"For it must needs be, that
there is an opposition in ALL things. If not so, my first-born in the
wilderness, righteousness could not be brought to pass."[if you
believe this scripture in the BoM, that would have to include politics as
well.]FYI - Hitler, Stalin, Moa Tse Tung, and Kim Jong Il all
enjoyed thier single-party systems.
Re: "Utah Democrats must adapt to become a viable political party"It'll never happen.Utah Democrats are not free to
adapt. We are held in vise-like thrall by party money and a national party
organization composed entirely of leftist apparatchiks, whose primary function
is to enforce a strict leftist orthodoxy on candidates and elected officials.The best illustration is the way Mr. Matheson acts when he's in
Washington -- completely the opposite of the way he talks in Utah.
This begs the question:Why do we need parties at all?Holding a public office should be about serving the people or your
constituents.NOT about serving a party. Parties do not care about
the people or the constituents, parties only care about power and their own
political agendas.Parties have done more damage to our country and
governance than any good.
What a bunch of bulloney I have just read in above posts. No one has the right
to tell Utah folks how to vote. No one has the right to call Utah folks lazy
and ill-informed. Utah voters are every bit as well-informed as anywhere in the
nation. Just because you don't like how the vote went, get real and
accept the truth: Utah folks are strong in opposition to the Democrat
position on gay marriage, abortion, entitlements, union clout etc. Truth may not
be to YOUR liking. Deal with it!!
I have a hard time believing that this guy is a BYU Prof. His logic that Utah
Dems become Republican Lite & follow LDS leaders, is akin to telling LDS
members in non- LDS majority States(the other 49) to forgo their beliefs &
follow the beliefs of the majority of the population of their States. I
don't think either scenario is plausible.
Utah Mormons for the most part lemmings,who think and feel only ONE party
can be right, and all others are inherently wrong.That is a key flaw
to societies who fall into Totalitarian systems of Government.Strip
away political titles, and vote for the person and on the issues.That said - following my LDS beliefs...I look for candidates who
are:Freedom (aka, Liberalism) 1st, Little Government decision
in my choices as to who, what, where I decide to live, Pro-Life --
- Anti-War, - Anti-Death Penalty, Equal rights,Tolerant of
others,inclusive of others, Pro-Choice (Republicans strip away ALL
choice - even in cases of rape, incest, and life/health of the woman)Allow
others to worship who, where and what they may, Fair and equalitable
wages, Re-Distribution of Wealth, The 99% are the majority - not the
wealthy, above the law 1%,ect.I'm not registered a
Democrat - in fact I even voted for a Republican for President last election (I
wrote in Jon Huntsman Jr.)But a REPUBLICAN I definetely am not!
As long as the LDS's owned newspaper, Deseret News, promotes the Republican
Party and conservative agenda the Democratic Party doesn't have a chance in
UT. There is no room on Deseret News pages for thoughtful examination and
reporting of anything that doesn't further Republican ideas (except
perhaps, immigration). That said, hang in there UT Democrats!
If the democrats become republicans, how does that make a two party system? If
we have a two party system and both parties are the same people, how does that
make a two party system?How about we do away with the misleading,
imaginary, phony nomenclature of Republicans and Democrats. How about we give
new names to the actual demographics of people and simply call the political
parties by their real names, business and ordinary people. Or, how
about we do away with political parties altogether. Maybe we could elect
leaders by their merit rather than by their affiliation. There are many more
desirable courses of action for our government than can be addressed by only two
Just as I don't think Republicans need to stop being Republicans to compete
on the national stage, Democrats shouldn't stop being Democrats. The
landslide election for Republicans in this state was driven more by the intense
and irrational hatred conservatives hold for President Obama than by any
specific policies embraced by Democrats. The tide will turn.
No amount of adapting will change lazy voters and their straight party ticket
The problem for Utah democrats is simple. In Utah: Republicans...Republican
RIGHT! Democrats ...Republican LIGHT! Utah Democrats will never be politically
effective in Utah until they educate a Utah electorate that is woefully low
information and misinformed by a pervasive monopolistic right wing media and a
political lock step religiously oriented social contract. The first step for
Utah Democrats is to act like Democrats and not just pander to the right wing
biases of this state. If they fail to do this they will never be politically
Utah Democrats are basically moderate Republicans. How much more
"adapting" can they do. The only Utah Democrat that could really be
called a liberal is Rocky Anderson. Utah went for FDR, the most radical
president in history, in four consecutive elections. It appears that "Utah
values" are the polar opposite of what they were 80 years ago.