I'm glad Romney ran, it takes a lot of guts to get out there and stand up
for what you believe is the best thing for a country like ours. Good for him,
and may God continue to bless him. I may not agree with most of
Obama's policies, but I feel the same way about him. He's doing his
best, and our country's not an overly appreciative place. So
ConfusedSandy, UTFury199,Would you please use your own
thoughts instead of the proganda machine of the Chicago politics that ran Obama
campaign...they distorted, lied and twisted what Romeny was
about....============== You really are Confused.You are kidding us, right?Mitt Romney was a caricature.He stood for nothing.The GOP ripped him to shreds during their own
nomination process, Obama just stepped back and let the Flip-Flopper do
the only thing he knew how.He himself, was all over the map.He
was for this one day, against it the next.He showed no Integrity
what-so-ever.53% of Americans could see through it, 47% did
not.The rest is history.
Fury199,Would you please use your own thoughts instead of the
proganda machine of the Chicago politics that ran Obama campaign...they distorted, lied and twisted what Romeny was about....but then
the left really has never been one to do their own research to come up with the
Sorry Mountainman you just cannot make up facts. Please see Furry1993's
comment. Millions of us did not vote for Romney for many reasons - one being
his lack of association with the truth; another being his statements on being on
more than one side of any given issue - how would you know who you voted for?
Why did he want to be part of the federal government when he has such disdain
for the federal government?
@mountainman. A lot of people in Utah pay no income tax and voted for Romney. It
doesn't take a CPA to know someone who makes 35k a year and has a stay at
home wife with two kids doesn't pay any federal income taxes. My taxes help
someone so their wife can stay home and that is okay in a lot of people's
mind but if someone has fallen on hard times and needs some food stamps that is
wrong.I'm sure some abuse the system but turning truly needy
people away because of that is wrong in my opinion.
@ Eric- really? what were the President's policies? The ACA that he signed
but never mentioned during his campaign? The Lilly Ledbetter act aka "sue
Walmart" act? 47 million Americans on food stamps (success or failure?) The
Dodd-Frank "way too big to fail" legislation. What policies exactly do
you refer to? Or maybe it was the way he he brought us all together by telling
Americans to "vote for revenge" or the way his VP told a black group
that "they going to put ya'll back in chains". Or maybe it was that
slick pamphlet he finally released in the last 3 weeks of his campaign outlining
his second term agenda that was oddly enough a regurgitation of his 2008
campaign. Oh yes indeed, the Obama campaign won the battle of ideas. What a sad
state of affairs in America circa 2012- brokest nation in history with a
President who had a slogan "forward!" Forward to what? The abyss?
@ Mad Hater. I completely disagree with your suggestion that redistribution of
wealth happens in normal commerce or voluntary contribution to my church as you
suggested. Re-distribution is when someone takes what you earned by force and
gives it to others whom they deem more worthy to receive and you end up with
nothing in return. Re-distribution is when one person gets nothing and the other
person(s) get something for nothing! Normal commerce is when both persons
benefit! If I steal your money, am a thief? What if I steal your money and give
it to someone I think deserves it more than you, am I still a thief? So many
takers and so few makers in this country and the national debt keeps going up so
now the takers are stealing from our grandchildren! It has nothing to do with
"compassion" for others, it all about controlling people and getting
elected and it cannot be sustained because eventually, the government runs out
of other people's money they can confiscate (re-distribute). Look at
western Europe.. that's where we are headed!
Mountanman Hayden, IDThose who complain about others receiving
"free stuff", whatever that is, don't like to acknowledge the
"free stuff" they receive. The whole "income redistribution"
ruse is directed at people these people don't like. It's that simple.
If they were taxed for only those things they liked, from which they
benefitted, there would be no complaint. However, if others benefit, they are
up in arms complaining about "income redistribution".If you
really consider how the economic system works, every purchase made, every tax
dollar spent, every donation given, every gift given, is a form of "income
redistribution. You give money to your church and that money is
"redistributed" by the church. Similarly, money spent to purchase any
item or service is "redistributed" to pay for costs and wages of the
company providing the item or service.The whole reality of the
complaint is nonsense. One might argue that a returned, wounded veteran
receiving diability payments is one of the notorious 47% moocher class receiving
"free stuff". Those who resent their "hard-earned" money taken
from them to give "free" VA benefits to those wounded in war as the
ultimate in hypocrasy.
To Truthseeer 12:19 p.m. Nov. 24, 2012You said "Too bad Mitt
wasn't more like his father." You're right. George Romney was an
honest, honorable, rational man. Mitt was . . . well . . . Mitt. It's too
bad Mitt couldn't be the man his father was.
Too bad Mitt wasn't more like his father.“Dogmatic
ideological parties tend to splinter the political and social fabric of a
nation, lead to governmental crises and deadlocks, and stymie the compromises so
often necessary to preserve freedom and achieve progress,” George Romney
wrote, explaining why he didn't support Goldwater's candidacy.
Losing Presidential candidates are not martyrs. Romney lost because the
majority of the American people disagreed with his policies, and agreed with the
policies of the President. Both sides engaged in negative campaigning, and both
sides spent huge amounts of money. Ultimately, it came down to policy, and
Governor Romney's policies were found wanting.
@ Shaun. You are wrong. Do you really think people who pay no federal income
taxes and the ever growing segment of the population that is getting free stuff
would vote for Romney? Really? Romney lost because people who are not getting
free stuff and still pay federal income taxes are now in the minority!
Romney owed allegiance no one other than the citizens of the US, not
corporations, not unions, not personal enrichment, not any special interest
group. Thanks Mitt for your personal sacrifice. You are a man of integrity and
ahead of the times. Hopefully the country will learn something from the issues
you raised. As time passes and jobs stagnate, entitlements ensconce a culture of
dependence, our debt rises and crony capitalism rewards the in-crowd, the we
will wish we had chosen differently.
Mountainman and John spring your attitudes against the people who voted for
Obama is the reason why republicans lost.
I'm glad Mitt Romney ran also.Just proved an eternal priniple -
Honesty is the best policy....and Flip-Flopping may win in business deals,
but it looses elections.I guess it surprises Republicans that there
are so many;Women,Minorities,Young People, Working
Poor, Elderly, and Scientists in America.Keep excluding
them and it will never matter who the GOP nominates - they will loose
everytime.[Remember when Michelle Bachmann and Donald Trump were leading
Mitt Romney?]Like the GOP said itself in the analysis after the
election --The GOP keeps getting older, whiteer, and more and more
male.51% of America just can't be Archie Bunker.
Romney agreed with Obama on the patriot act and NDAA. He was really a poor
candidate. I personally saw no difference between him and Obama. They seemed to
agree on everything. Their debates were poor. Romney was even talking about
keeping provisions of Obamacare. It figures because he is that man who invented
Obamacare in the first place.
To Mountanman 9:11 a.m. Nov. 24, 2012None of what you allege is true
or accurate. None of the things you mention are "free" to the
recipients. The health care comes through paid-for insurance. No abortions are
public-funded unless they are to preserve the life or health of the pregnant
woman, if the pregnancy was the result of rape or incest, or there is a fatal
fetal deormity (the same circumstances the LDS Church finds acceptable for
abortion). There is a work requirement attendant to all unemployment insurance
payments. Recipients of housing subsidies are required to pay their share.
There is no amnesty for millions of illegals and, not being citizens, they are
unable to vote. Student loans are not "free" - they have to be paid
back. The people who do not pay net income taxes are senior citiens who paid
their share through their lives and are now on social security, people serving
in the military, and those who do not earn enough to pay net income taxes.Someone has really sold you a bill of goods. Real FACTS negate your
" The decline in income concentration in the U.S. over the great recession
was due to cyclical capital losses, not a structural change in the underlying
factors driving the trend. This can be seen quite clearly by a) taking capital
gains out of the income data, revealing a steady upward trend, or b) by noting
the increase in inequality (share of income going to the top 10% of households)
in 2010, a return to trend.- The fact that different countries hit
by the same globalization and technology advances show different inequality
trends suggests an important role for political economy -- policies that affect
the distribution of market incomes -- in these outcomes. In France and Germany,
for example, the top 10% holds about 35% of national income; in the US,
it's about 50% . I think in an economy where a) inequality
steers growth away from the broad middle, b) credit is cheap, under-regulated,
and securitized such that there's distance between originator and final
borrower, and c) as the boom progresses, risk become underpriced -- well,
that's a recipe for the shampoo cycle (bubble, bust, repeat) with
inequality at the core of the model."(Jared Berstein: Inequality and
As a 73 year old conervative who feels disenfranchised by the Republican Party,
I am totally amazed that there are as many right wingers who didn't get the
message of the last election, but then again I do live in Utah! First we had the Birthers, Rev. Wright, socialist, we"re going to be the
next Greese, legitemate rape, endless gerrymandering, alledged voter fraud and
voter suppression laws, now we are off on the 47% takers and free stuff , bought
the election and on and on! All these endless diatribes will do nothing more
than provide grease for the skids of Hillary's campaign in 2016.The Republican party literally needs to take a leaf from the Dems campaign
plan and make some real "Change and Move Forward" .
More nonsense from JCS.There is no sensible way to reply to that.
If we try, it simply feeds his paranoia.
@ Utah Dem: You have to be kidding, right? How about "free" taxpayer
subsidized health care insurance for millions (Obamacare),"free"
taxpayer funded abortions on demand, all time record number of people on
"free" food stamps, "free" contraceptives, "free" 11
months of unemployment checks with NO work requirements (what an incentive to
look for a job),"free" housing subsides" "free" amnesty for
millions of illegals (all of whom voted for Obama, go figure),hints of
"free" student loans, and last but not least, "freedom" for
about half the population from paying any federal income taxes?
Mountanman:Romney promised free stuff, but he promised it to those
who don't need it. Romney promised 12 million jobs. So what. The experts
estimated that no matter who became president, the economy, barring a major
recession, would add 12 million jobs during the next four years. So Romney
really went out on a limb there, didn't he. And if you knew anything about
economics, you would understand the difference between our situation and
Greece's. Get over it. Obama won. Thank goodness. Romney ran a campaign
that appealed to rich old white men. He lost. Maybe now we can get down to some
compromise in Washington in order to deal with our economic challanges.
Mountanman is absolutely right. THe only reason Obama won is because he bought
huge numbers of voters by promising to give them the hard earned money out of
other people's pockets.Those who support Obama do so because
they want to live off the hard work of others. They oppose the idea that a man
must work to provide for himself and his family. Instead, they believe that they
are entitled to have the government provide them with every want and need,
simply because they exist.Obama has put this great nation on a
course to becoming just another European-style socialistic welfare state. This
is a recipe for complete disaster, which is why all truly patriotic Americans
voted for Romney.
Mountainman - I keep reading about free stuff - exactly what free stuff did
Pres. Obama promise?
The headline right below the letter told the real truth. Romney lost because of
a misguided campaign and his own misguided comments. Whether one believed in
Romneys message or not once you listen to the debriefs Romney had a terrible
campaign strategy and probably staff. Who thinks they can offend half of a
voting population and then get 51% of the vote? You can believe in small
government low taxes, the immorality or americans, the evil of the liberal
press, bla, bla, bla..and you still can't think you can win a national
election committing those errors. The irony is Romney was the business
executive who was soundly organizationaly defeated by a community organizer.
Shame shame shame.
Romney promised more jobs and Obama promised more free stuff! 3.5 million more
Americans voted for more free stuff than for jobs! America certainly isn't
the country it used to be (fundamentally transformed). We deserve what's
coming because there is no way we can afford all the free stuff! Mitt Romney was
the last exit off the Obama highway to Greece!
I want to thank Barack Obama for running for President. He had to run in a
difficult race against a dishonest man pushed by Republicans, a large number of
wealthy special interests, Fox media and several AM radio
“entertainers” who have forgotten what the Constitution and common
American decency and fair play stand for.I totally agree with the
real reasons why he lost. I feel bad that so many of our fellow Americans are
becoming victims of a growing number of so-called conservatives who have
forgotten how important it is that we keep America a land of opportunity for all
Americans and not just a chosen, wealthy few. What we have witnessed recently
at Hostess was just one more glaring example of Mitt’s vision for America.
An America in which wealthy people use their power to push others down so they
may send even more money and jobs overseas and stuff their foreign bank accounts
to dodge taxes. I know I am not the only American who witnessed the
worst example of human behavior that we ever had in the GOP debates leading to
this last election.The silent majority did speak up.
The silent majority did speak up - they just didn't agree with you. No one has forgotten what the Constitution means. Some people interpret
it differently than the way you do. Even as the Constitution was being written,
it was being interpreted differently by different people. That does not make
some interpretations right and some wrong - it just makes them different.