Why not just join the Big 12Or the Pac 12?
Honest assessment here:You guys won't go to a BCS(or
"significant" bowl once the official BCS goes away) game as a member of
the WAC, MWC, or independent.So why not stay independent and at
least get more money from ESPN?
Confererence will continue to shift, but regardless of what happens, 2 things
will be constants from here on out:1)Utah will be "IN"2) byu will be "OUT"
We have our choice of conferences because evryone wants us but will remain
Honest assessment here:Chris B has no lifeIndependence is a
tough schedule and I miss most (not all) traditional rivalries - but unless the
entire national college football structure is rewritten to go back to
traditional regional rivalries - there is no reason for BYU to go back to the
MWC. It would be better to do what they did previously, when creating the MWC,
band with others to start their own new conference.
Chrissy BU should worry more about that bunch of misfits on the
hill,especially when1) BYU 2012 bowl - IN2) Utah
2012 bowl - OUTbtw, your predictions of BYU never playing in a
"significant" bowl (or never playing in a playoff game) are about as
meaningless as your constant "mark it down" predictions; in fact, your
prediction of "never" is practically a guarantee that it will be soon.
I would rather continue as an indepedent with a "scheduling arrangement"
with a few MWC institutions. @ Chris- Utah is what Rutgers will be
in the Big 10 family. The akward, slightly ugly relative with poor hygeine
everyone avoids speaking with at family reunions.
If realignment really does mean that four 16-team superconferences are
inevitable, than the B12 needs 6 teams and the PAC needs 4. There simply
aren't that many viable candidates within their current geographic
footprints. The B12 will try for Florida State and Clemson, maybe Louisville
and Cincinatti...then what? They would still need to find 2 more teams.
Besides, the SEC can pick up FSU and Clemson any time they want. My point is, if
it comes to that, BYU will find a home. They might not be full members, maybe
just football-only additions. If it doesn't come to that, then
there's really no reason to go away from independence.
@ Chris BNice to know BYU is still relevant with you.And
what exactly is utah in? They are in a rough rivalry with fellow basement
dweller Colorado. They are in for a longer Christmas break. They are in with
fellow non-bowlers like Wyoming, New Mexico, Idaho, etc., etc. They are in the
pac10.2 like the Washington Generals are in games with the Harlem Globetrotters
or how Angola was in the game with the '92 Dream Team. Oh, and utah was in
two BCS games coming from the MWC, so basically you're biting the very hand
that fed you.BYU is better served by maintaining independence unless
provided an opportunity to join a stable situation like the BIG 12, which
isn't a guarantee.Oh, and Chris B, the utes are in one more
thing: last place in the nation for basketball!!
Chris I'm being honest here. Why the hate? I really do just want to
understand. I can be completely honest in saying I wish Utah the best. You guys
are down this year and that's too bad. I don't care that you're
"in" and we're ''out'' as you say. The PAC-12
is great for you guys! Really! I'm enjoying independence and have faith it
will work out. So why can't we both just wish the other the best and let
the other work towards their own personal goals?
So . . . How's that 'In-ness' working out for you, Chris B?
Remind me again - where is your team going 'bowling' this year?Never mind.
BYU won't return to the MWC. They can't win that conference with USU,
SDSU and Boise State in it.They'll stay independant where they
have to compete with ........no one.
Ah, Brad, why play New Mexico at all? They are as bad as Wyoming in the
win-loss column. True, they are in a warmer area than UW in Laramie, but my
gosh---New Mexico? If you were really into some good competition in the old MWC
you'd want BYU to play Air Force occasionally. They have a better record
than Utah in the MWC over the course of all the years everyone belonged. And if
you've ever attend a game in Colorado Springs, they are a class
act----unlike Fort Collins where they are just another state school, only
wearing green instead of red. AFA needs some good competition, too, so I think
they'd go for it. (There has to be a reason Whittingham said he was glad
they would never play Air Force again...the cadets were just too good too often
for the Utes.) And UNLV? You must want to frequent Vegas. While warmer there,
too, their stadium isn't up to much----although it is covered with red
paint so maybe that's why you want to go there.Interesting
points of view that you expressed.
re;Chris B. I feel sorry for you. You have the first three posts on
BYU and you are a...Utah fan. And somehow your digs always make it past the
d-news board regulators...I don't know which is more confusing.
phoenix,Apparently Utah may sneak into a bowl after all.
C'mon Rock, this is old news now. I didn't even read your story
because you're just trying to stamp your brand on it. Stick with Chris B
and the losing Utes. BYU will not join any conference. They like
@ Chris BHonest assessment here:Your beloved Utes
won't ever:1) Go to the Rose Bowl2) Win a National
Championship3) Produce a Heisman Trophy winner4) Get over bashing
BYUUtah will:1) Finish at the bottom third of the PAC 12
almost every year, or lower2) Follow Arizona and compete (?) for decades
before going to your first Rose Bowl (they haven't gone yet)3) Go
years before ever getting into another BCS Bowl---if there is such a thing
thenYou will:1) Keep bashing BYU every chance you get2)
Continually harp on belonging to the PAC 12 as being better than sliced bread3) Get older without ever growing up4) Always try and post first on BYU
articles (see #3)
If BYU wanted to win games as badly as Chris B wants to blog on BYU articles, we
would be number 1. Undefeated.
Reasons for BYU re-joining the MWC:(I can't think of any)
I see no reason that BYU shouldn't be getting into the BIG 12 soon. But
if that weren't an option then there would be one more reason to join the
MWC, conference championships, conference rivalries, and full season motivation.
I can imagine Utah fans are getting a good laugh out of this article. Going back
to the MWC? That's like returning to high school three years after
graduation. Utah moved on and up to the PAC 12. TCU moved on and up to the BIG
12. BYU tried independence and .... well... after watching Idaho and San Jose in
the month of November every year a few hard core fans would rather just cancel
November football and go on to basketball. I suspect BYU would fill up the
stadium even if they joined up with Dixie State and Snow College ....most fans
could care less about football nor do they watch it other than an occasional
Saturday afternoon in Provo ...and for that they get a fun family outing and
some good nacho's and caffeine free coke. BYU football is about as exciting
anymore as 2 week old funeral casserole so maybe it's time to hang up the
shoulder pads and enjoy the memories.
After watching the San Jose State game (which I predicted would be a loss for
BYU), I believe it is time to get rid of Doman as offensive coordinator (his
whole scheme is offensive to watch, it is predictable and ugly). Why he thinks
he needs to be on the sideline is ridiculous. If he has assistants upstairs,
then frankly, he's not calling anything; he's the middle man. BYU
needs a taller, stronger, in the pocket QB. Riley was good, but not good enough
and definitely NOT a closer. It has been an ugly year. Bronco should step down
as head coach and become the defensive coordinator; the pass defense has always
been weak and it showed against San Jose. So basically, BYU has beaten patsies
all season long. Until things change, we are wasting our time watching them
Rock this is old news now. BYU is remaining independent. Why do you use the
Cougars to draw attention to yourself? Because the Utes lose all the time
rather than most of the time like BYU?
Uh, Rock, there would be a chance to go to a big bowl as a member of the MWC.
The highest ranked of the "other 5" conferences gets an AQ bid to one of
the big, but not playoff bowl games. Other than scheduling issues, it is the
only reason BYU would go back to the MWC, and a fairly legitimate one since BYU
would be in the hunt for this spot on a regular basis, which would give it
exposure. If they went undefeated as a member of the MWC and scheduled 3-4
"BCS" teams, it would still have a shot at the playoffs. Case in point
is this year, if BYU were undefeated, it would probably be top 5, and surely top
BYU, Boise and SDSU need the MWC...especially BYU. Have you not been watching
the past few weeks of BYU football....ESPN has been! As soon as they realize
this is not your fathers BYU teams, ESPN will buy out the constant 6-6 cougars
from their contract. Mark that down!BYU should negotiate their
rights, which is easy because The Mountain is gone, and sign with the MWC. If
this happened I guarantee BYU would be in a major bowl before Utah! Which would
be more embarrassing to Utah than BYU!The New C-USA with Cinnci, and
South Florida will be weaker than the MWC in coming years....Uconn will replace
Maryland in the ACC, Louisville will be in the BIG 12 soon! Go Back, win the MWC, and play in Phoenix, Dallas (New Game), or Pasadena! Its
not that hard of a decision!
Independent is the place to be. More money. More exposure....but a few less
wins. But more money for sure. and BYUTV isn't HD, so I'm dependent on
The match up with SJSU "boring"? I guess it was kinda "boring"
since byU was never really in the game.
Chris B"Apparently Utah may sneak into a bowl after all."That would more embarrassing than an accomplishment.
BYUTV is HD. But DirecTV won't broadcast the channel in HD.
patriot"Utah moved on and up to the PAC 12."Yet
here you are, three years later, still jealously trolling BYU articles, and
trying figure out how BYU is still able to accomplish things that you no longer
can, like finishing in the Top 25 and going to a bowl game every year.------utahcountyute"The match up with SJSU
"boring"? I guess it was kinda "boring" since BYU was never
really in the game."At least not after Riley's final
incomplete pass in the final minute of the game.
The cable and satellite companies are simply shooting themselves in the foot by
not carrying channels like BYUtv HD. The channel is offered free of charge so
there's no legitimate reason for DirectTV not to carry it.Streaming will eventually send these dinosaurs packing to the land of
It seems that some Utah fans comment so much on BYU articles, that they repeat
the same comments from the last BYU article, hilarious! At least be original,
and come up with something new to say. Since I have no interest in anything Ute,
and know nothing about them, the very least a Ute fan who obsesses over BYU
could do is at least share some kind of news about the Utes that anyone cares
about. Nevermind, no one cares!
No gain at all for BYU to join MWC. BYU is wise to wait this one out, until
further expansion makes PAC12 and BIG12 need more teams. Look at
what's available to the PAC for expansion to 16 teams, BYU will have to be
in that mix. Would the PAC really look at someone like Idaho? No. Hawaii?
Maybe. SDSU? Probably, but USC and UCLA wouldn't want a neighbor
competing for recruits. BYU, Boise State would have to be two of their top
targets.BIG12 to expand might limit BYU a little since they can go
North, East, and West to expand. But BYU is a major player in more sports than
just football.So BYU should stand pat for now and see what happens.
It'll get to the point that BYU will be in demand. And by then BYU will
attract better talent, with the schedules they'll play in the future who
wouldn't want to play here?
I can think of another reason to join the MWC - no other conference of
significance will take us.Its going to be a rough road ahead for BYU.
Without question their scheduling will be tough in the future. With conferences
expanding, schools will drop more agreements to play BYU. And its
not all bad in the MWC. And I think it would be good to have Boise St & SDSU
BYU should stay independent and play this schedule:1) Utah State,
2) Air Force, 3) Army, 4) Boston College/Harvard, 5)
Duke/Vanderbilt, 6) Navy, 7) Northwestern/Notre Dame, 8)
Southern California/Stanford, 9) Utah, 10) Hawaii
Old ball coach"Have you not been watching the past few weeks of
BYU football....ESPN has been!"ESPN watches the ratings, not the
games, and the bean counters at ESPN have said on numerous occassions that ESPN
is thrilled to have BYU as a partner.Despite your BYU-hating
predictions, BYU's contract with ESPN is rock solid, as evidenced by the
fact that ESPN has picked up every available BYU game during the first two years
of the contract, even though the Cougars had a less than stellar schedule.With much better schedules beginning next season, it's laughable
that anyone would predict that ESPN is even considering not picking every
available BYU game next year, and the year after that, and the year after
that...btw, you should consider joining forces with Chris B on your
predictions - you two would make a great team... comedy, that is.
no conference championships for UWith conference expansion, and
conferences like the ACC reducing their number of conference games from 9 to 8,
and with more and more teams looking to schedule quality out of conference
opponents to better position themselves to be included in the upcoming playoffs,
BYU's scheduling difficulties could easily vanish. In fact, BYU could
easily find itself in the position of having to turn down scheduling requests in
a buyer's market.Of course, that would be really tough on Utah
trolls like U, but at least U can console yourself with being a relevant
punching bag in a big boy conference.
Well, at least we agree on one thing here that BYU went independent for the
money. The exposure thing is something different. After last year and then this
year, independence has done nothing for their once great respect as a football
program. Many non-LDS football fans that once were eager to watch BYU football,
could care less now after the games they have seen this year. Do you really
think that football fans want to watch games with Univ. of Idaho and New Mexico
State? Until the AD makes some changes to this program we will see less and less
TheSportsAuthority did you know that BYU is now 6-10 all time against San Jose
St.Really its true.The Spartans own BYU!
WACPaddingOurScheduleYou've already posted that comment three times.
As far as competition goes, if AFA, SDSU. and BSU were to stay, it would be very
challenging for BYU. Add those teams to USU, Nevada, San Jose and the
occasional strong seasons from the remaining teams, The Cougars would need a
very good season to take the conference title.
Can't beleive all you people thinking that being independent is the best
for BYU. Why not have all the teams at BYU in the same conference. The MWC is
a great conference and if Bose and SDSU would reunite it could end up being a
great regional conference. A conference where fans could travel to easy.I
bet the A.D. at BYU spends half of his time or more trying to come up with a
schedule for just football. What a waist of time and engery, being in a
conference would be so much better.
It seems the only attraction that the MWC offers is security - but at what
price. Sure, Fresno State is there, now, but so is Wyoming. Boise State was
average this year (yes, they beat BYU - barely - but BYU was a bad team this
year), and San Diego State has had one good season since Marshall Faulk
graduated. The elephant in the room that has not been mentioned yet
is the mountain network. That alone and in-and-of-itself should kill the deal
It is only a matter of time before BYU gets into a major conferance as those
conferances will continue to build their empires and BYU, although not one of
the big boys on the block, is certainly more appealing than most of what is
left.Big 12 and ACC are in a world of hurt right now and Lousiville
is likely headed to the ACC as a Maryland replacement. That leaves the Big 12
to either raid the ACC for Florida and Clemson, making the ACC obsolete like the
Big East, or grabbing BYU,possibly both. With the Big 10 at 14 and SEC at 14
and PAC 12 at 12 the Big 12 and ACC need to change their plans quickly or go the
way of the Big East. PAC 12 could raid the Big 12, like they almost did a few
years ago, making Utah even more obsolete, if that confeerance does not wake up!
Big 10 may be after Kansas as well. Big 12 could add SDSU and BYU opening up
the S CAl and Salt Lake markets.This is far from over and the MWC is
not the anwer for BYU.
OsgrathThe MTN no longer exists. It went dark over the summer.
@ the duceDo you think Norte Dame fell on hard times for a few
years? Or Michigan or Ohio State? What about Florida or USC? Did they lose
their fan base because of a few bad years? BYU will easily regain any fan
losses as soon as they start winning again, which could easily be as soon as
next season. One bad season does not break a program, even though you may think
it should. If you want another example, look at once-proud and dominate
Georgia. Or Auburn. BYU's brand may not have the luster right now that it
had in former years, but the potential is there and once the victories start to
roll again, look out. Many schools that have storied and national programs
would want to schedule them.
@PhoenixYou wrote;"Chrissy BU should
worry more about that bunch of misfits on the hill,especially
when1) BYU 2012 bowl - IN2) Utah 2012 bowl - OUT" That is just silly. BYU will finish 7-5 and Utah 5-7. The difference in
those records would be the opposite if schedules were reversed. BYU played some
marquee teams as did Utah, and they lost those games. The wins from both sides
came against weak teams. That is except Utah beating BYU and BYU beating Utah
State. That is a triangle. Both Utah and BYU beat Washington State easy. Other
than the common opponent (WSU), Utah has Northern Colorado and Colorado on their
schedule (two awful teams). But BYU has four of those in Weber State, Hawaii,
Idaho, and New Mexico State. Their is the difference in one school going bowling
at 7-5 and the other missing out at 5-7. If BYU stays independent
and somehow manages to schedule eight tough games, all they have to do is go 2-6
in those and finish 6-6 with four easy wins against BIG SKY and WAC teams. Trash
talk when your team is bad is weak.
Back when I was a BYU Football season ticket holder, and BYU was part of a
Conference, I used to travel to as many away games as I could. It wasn't
too difficult. I knew well in advance where they were playing because of the
regular conference schedules, and it was easy to plan ahead for the trips. I
enjoyed the conference competition, and BYU typically leading the conference,
and receiving Conference honors. Young high school athletes I associated with
also knew if they played for a team in the Conference, they would likely play
against other athletes they played with and against in high school. There was a
camaraderie there, and a pride in the Conference and the relationships it
created.But now, who knows who will be on BYU's schedule, much
less in enough advance to be able to schedule trips like we used to do? There
are no Conference honors to be proud of. There are few relationships maintained
and developed.Yes, BYU gets lots more money and "exposure"
(although the "exposure" SDSU gave them was of the wrong variety), but
I'm not convinced it was worth it.Get back into a Conference,
San Jose is "boring?" You mean the same San Jose who just gave BYU the
smackdown on Saturday?
@toosmartforyouYou don't like sound like "too smart for
you" or anyone when BYU fans do the same bashing and are every bit as weak
as Utah is this year. Records are not comparable with different schedules. In
the years from 2005 t0 2010 when Utah and BYU played comparable schedules, Utah
and Whittingham finished with one more win overall in that span. One
win tells me that basically the teams are even except Utah beating BYU head to
head more regularly. Since 2010 though, Bronco and BYU have gained 3 wins on
Utah in the overall record. So Bronco and BYU are up in the overall record since
Bronco and Kyle took over in 2005. that said, the difference there is that since
2010, BYU has played more automatic wins than Utah has despite some of the PAC
12 teams being below average. Remember Utah has beaten BYU head to head in that
span and before as well. Utah has won 8 out of 11 and 13 out of 20 against the
Cougars. That is the greatest barometer of all is it not BYU fans?
I hope BYU can get into a major conference. It will make recruiting tougher for
the red and blue, but it would show BYU that losing seasons would be relatively
normal as well. Despite the tough opponents, BYU had four easy wins, which
without them, BYU would have the same losing record as Utah.
@ 54-10"They'll stay independent where they would have to
compete with.....no one"You obviously haven't looked at
BYU's 2013 schedule.
gdog"BYU will finish 7-5 and Utah 5-7. The difference in those
records would be the opposite if schedules were reversed."Frankly, you have no proof that would be the case. A team that lost to
Colorado last season, could easily lose to anybody on BYU's schedule this
season, and Utah has already proven that they aren't good enough to beat
Utah State, which makes your claim that Utah could have beaten Boise State,
Oregon State (oops, we know you couldn't beat them), Notre Dame, Georgia
Tech, and San Jose State highly suspect. Best case scenario is Utah would have
finished 6-6 with BYU's schedule, and it's highly likely, given
Utah's penchant for losing games to much inferior teams, that the Utes
would have suffered another unexpected loss, leaving the Utes at 5-7, exactly
where they're expected to finish IF they manage to get past the Buffs.Final rankings tell me that, overall, Bronco has been more successful
during the last 8 years, than Kyle - three Top 15 finishes for Bronco, versus
only one for Kyle; five Top 25 finishes for Bronco, versus only three for Kyle.
Y ask Y: It's really not that difficult to plan trips in June for the
coming Fall. High school kids also like the idea of playing other national
recruits on ESPN. I, for one, was able to plan a trip to Atlanta in October
(planned it that week) and took my kids to watch BYU beat Georgia Tech. I
wouldn't mind seeing BYU in the Big 12 but until then the Independent thing
isn't all bad.
I like independence. In the WAC you knew that BYU would beat Wyo, CSU, UNM,
UNLV, SDSU, and AFA every year, usually by blowouts. Those were not good games
and did not help BYU get respect, even with very good seasons.I
traveled to Ole Miss last year. Great fun. Woud have gone to ND this year but
had a conflict.I also like the WCC for hoops. Plenty challenging for
the Cougs and I can get to all SoCal games with ease.What's not
Don't go back to the MWC. I'd miss all those 8:40 p.m. kickoffs!
These "what if" articles are great. They allow fans to think about
future years and to be hopeful that glory days could return under the right
circumstance. We don't have to focus on the present failures and
embarrassing results of the current regime.
When you lose to San Jose, who will be in the MWC next year, I guess it's
convenient to think you're better than the MWC.
If it goes to four 16 team super conferences BYU will get invited to the b10,
b12 or pac
@Y ask Y - "But now, who knows who will be on BYU's schedule, much less
in enough advance to be able to schedule trips like we used to do?"BYU's schedule for 2013 is announced; only one game remaining. Start
your planning. P.S. Virginia, Indiana, Texas, etc. are more interesting places
to visit than the Super 8 in Laramie. Next years schedule is exactly what I
hoped indepence would bring. Now it's time to start winning.08/31/13 at Virginia Cavaliers Scott Stadium, Charlottesville, VA09/07/13 Texas Longhorns LaVell Edwards Stadium, Provo, UT09/21/13 Utah Utes LaVell Edwards Stadium, Provo, UT10/04/13 at Utah State Aggies Romney Stadium, Logan, UT10/12/13 Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets LaVell Edwards Stadium, Provo,
UT10/19/13 at Houston CougarsSite TBA, Houston, TX10/26/13 Boise State Broncos LaVell Edwards Stadium, Provo, UT11/09/13 at Wisconsin Badgers Camp Randall Stadium, Madison, WI11/16/13 Middle Tennessee Blue RaidersLaVell Edwards Stadium, Provo,
UT11/23/13 at Notre Dame Fighting Irish Notre Dame Stadium,
Notre Dame, IN12/07/13 at Hawaii Warriors Aloha Stadium,
I would love to throw out some insults about the Y joining the MWC but frankly
don't believe there is any truth to the story. Sure there is a report that
the MWC has interest in BYU but have a hard time thinking the Y would go down
that road. I will save up all the trash talk until it actually happens. I
think Rock did a good job putting the correct spin on this rumor.
re:TrollPoliceWould you rather watch the Y play Arizona or Idaho at
home? USC or Weber State? I could go on but you get the point I hope. Playing an
entire season of big time opponents at home is light years ahead of playing cup
cakes like Idaho and Idaho State - win or lose. I would a thousand time rather
watch my team lose a competitive and close game to a USC at home than blow out a
Idaho. Before going independent - the Y used to have at least 2 great home games
such as Florida State or Texas A M. No more. As far as the bowl games go... the
Armed Forces Bowl is bottom of the barrel. Even the Vegas Bowl was a big step
up. Being content with mediocrity is no fun and to be honest the U vs Y game
will never be the same going forward unless the Y gets into the Big12 someday.
@PAC manYou say "I have no proof". None of us do when
dealing with speculations on these posts. I am dealing with was reality. You
lack proof for your inductions as well. Use common sense. To say
that because Utah lost to Colorado last year that "they could lose to
anybody on BYU's schedule" is extreme. Utah and BYU would beat Colorado
8 times out of 10 in my opinion. But as bad as Colorado is, they are not Weber
State, Hawaii, Idaho or New Mexico State. Realistically, Utah and BYU beat those
teams every time."Utah has already proven that they aren't
good enough to beat Utah State". What? They lost to USU in overtime in Logan
(first time in 15 years). USU beat BYU two years ago and BYU barely beat them at
home the last two times. As for this year, Utah lost in overtime and BYU beat
USU at home 6-3 (9th inning). Does that make BYU better? Utah beat BYU head to
head.I never said Utah would beat the teams BYU lost to. I said they
would beat the teams BYU beat. Exception, Utah beat BYU and BYU beat USU.
@Pac manWashington State is bad. Both Utah and BYU spanked them.
Oregon State was another common opponent. Both lost by the same margin (one a
shoot out, the other a defensive game). Other common opponents; BYU beat USU
(Utah did not). But that is evened out if not more by Utah when they beat BYU
head to head. All three instate games were decided by a fraction anyway. Utah
beat a bad Cal team. BYU beat a bad Georgia Tech team. The comparisons all tell
me that these two (Utah and BYU are bad and mostly equal). Utah's weakest
opponents are Northern Colorado and Colorado. Those two are bottom of the
barrel. BYU has not two, but four of those (Weber State, Hawaii, Idaho, and New
Mexico. You say I have no proof Utah would beat those teams. Of course not.
It's not proven unless on the field. But if you think Utah loses any of
those games (the difference between 5-7 and 7-5), then you are off. Losing to
Colorado last year is not the same thing as Idaho dude.
Deep blueFirst off I am not hating on the cougars, so back off
paranoid Cougar fan....Looking at your schedule next year, your
season will be over in the second week of the year. Texas beats you in Provo,
and BYU becomes irrelevant for the rest of the year. Because the best you can
do is finish the season in San Diego....even if you win 9 games after, upset
Wisconsin and the Irish you still end up in San Diego.If your fan
base is happy watching games on Friday nights at 8pm, competing with high school
football, or playing meaningless games in late November with 8pm starts in 25
degree weather. That's fine by me. I am just saying , stay
independent and watch Fresno, Nevada, and San Jose get to places you will only
dream of....in Pasadena, Dallas, or Phoenix.....then ask yourself was BYUTV
worth it when your 6-6 looking up at the other schools.By the
way....enjoy Las Cruces this weekend!
gdog3finallyUtah, and more especially Whittingham, has a history of
losing to teams the Utes have no business losing to - see New Mexico, Colorado
State, Wyoming - but even uglier, 10-loss UNLV and 10-loss Colorado.To say that Utah is capable of losing to ANYBODY is not just speculation,
it's a proven FACT!You're the one who claimed that if Utah
and BYU had switched schedules, that the final records would also have been
reversed, yet when you were called to task to prove your pure speculation, you
whine that none of us have any proof when "speculating". Then, you
launch into a fresh diatribe expecting us to still accept carte blanche that
Utah would have finished with the same record as BYU IF Utah had played
BYU's schedule.Sorry, but the only thing you've really
proven is that Utah is no longer good enough to qualify for a bowl even with a
Big Sky, a WAC, an irrelevant independent, and a couple of 10-loss PAC 12 teams
built into the schedule.
Old ball coach"First off I am not hating on the cougars, so back
off paranoid Cougar fan."Who do you think you're
kidding?Hating on BYU is exactly what you're doing with your
doomsday predictions of failure before the first kickoff next season. It's
what Utah fans love to do. Predict undefeated, Rose Bowl winning seasons for
Utah every year, and season-ending losses for BYU in September every year.It may help you sleep at night thinking Utah is still relevant after
suffering an early season loss to USC every year, but the truth is, the Utes
haven't been anymore relevant in the PAC 12 than BYU has been as an
Independent. In fact, it could be easily argued that with no Top 25 finishes and
no bowl game this season, Utah has been significantly less relevant than BYU
that last two years.btw, have you actually looked at the television
mess CT has created for the MWC.BYU's partnership with ESPN and
BYUtv is head and shoulders better than anything the MWC could offer, both in
nationwide coverage and in revenue.
Someone got it wrong:BYU will be IN a bowl game this year!Utes are definitely OUT. No bowl game for all their big talk and no show!So much for the bottom of the PAC 12. That's where the U will
always be. Get used to it~
Two comments. Is there really a Chris B? I believe he is a DN ploy to generate
comments. Why, because he continually tries to trash BYU and build up Utah but
fails so miserably with his predictions.Comment 2. There is no MWC
anymore, at least as we knew it. There is a a group of leftovers from previous
versions of the old MWC and WAC who have married with very little fanfare and
very little TV money. Perhaps a good basketball conference will emerge from
this marriage. Maybe even as good as the old MWC with exciting battles between
SDS, UNLV, NM and BYU on the hardwoods.If a new football conference
could emerge with the likes of Boise State, BYU, LVille, Cincy, and others, that
would be interesting.
Makes no sense for BYU to consider the MWC. Less exposure, less money, more
Laramie, more Fort Collins, etc. Isn't Craig Thompson still running the
MWC show? Enough said. I've been impressed with the future
scheduling Holmoe has lined up, so I give credit where credit is due. I think a
lot of people overreacted about the WAC teams on the schedule in the first two
years of the independent schedule, not understanding how difficult it is to
build a schedule on short notice. BYU's schedules for the next couple of
years are full of quality programs.Still wish the Utes and Cougs
were in the PAC-12, but returning to the MWC is not the answer for BYU in my
@MUSSing with UYou are right in the first paragraph. From there,
slow down.Yes, Utah and Whittingham have lost to the teams you
mentioned above. That has long been an issue for me. But even Wyoming, CSU and
UNLV who are traditionally bad, still are far superior to Idaho, Idaho State,
Weber State, and New Mexico State. Have you looked at these teams sites and
schedules? Idaho is 1-10 with a laughable schedule . They lost to
Eastern Washington and Texas-San Antonio, and Texas State beat them 38-7. Moving
on, New Mexico State is 1-9 with the same soft schedule. Hawaii is 1-9. Their
only win was against Lamar (didn't know they had a football team). Weber
State is 2-9 with losses to McNeese State, Eastern Washington, UC Davis, Cal
Poly, Sacramento State, and Northern Colorado (who Utah beat 41-0). Idaho State
(2011 opponent) is 1-10. Their only win came against Black Hills State. Who?Overall, BYU's four patsies have a combined record of 5-37, and
that is with a Big Sky and WAC schedule. If you and Pac Man think Utah could
lose these games you lose all credibility.
Brad Rock Des News "boredom: New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado State and San
Jose State in the middle of BYU's schedule? Please, get me some No Doz and
a Mountain Dew."Really? That is worse than our current November?
Two other reasons to re-join the MWC...1. It's fun to fight for conference
position even if you can't go undefeated. 2. Boise StateIf the
MWC gets back San Diego State and Boise State, I say get BYU too.
gdog3finallyBYU and Utah played two common foes this season, Utah
State and Oregon State.BYU finished 1-1 against them.Utah
finished 0-2 against them.Best case scenario for Utah playing
BYU's schedule would have been a 6-6 finish.Most likely scenario,
with Kyle's propensity for dropping games he should have won, would have
been 5-7, with a loss to a team like Hawaii.------------patriot"Would you rather watch the Y play Arizona or Idaho at
home? USC or Weber State?"I would rather watch BYU play Texas
rather than UCLA at home. Boise State rather than Oregon State. Georgia Tech vs
Arizona State would be a toss up. Virginia rather than Colorado or Weber State.
And Utah rather than Washington.Idaho, Idaho State, Weber State and
New Mexico State don't appear on ANY future BYU schedules so you can drop
those irrelevant comparisons. Instead you can substitue Notre Dame and
Wisconsin, for now, with many other similar teams to be added to future BYU
With all our exposure and $4,000,000 to $6,000,000 per game payout from ESPN,
other leagues should ask to join us.
Cowboy DudeThe flaw in your logic is BYU is already scheduled to
play Boise State for the next 10 years, and BYU could easily add Air Force and
San Diego State to its future schedule without ever having to play another game
in Laramie.btw, BYU's November schedule in 2013 includes
Wisconsin and Notre Dame.Regardless of whether BYU is in the MWC or
Independent, BYU would likely still have to run the table or at worst finish
with 1 loss to another very good team, in order to finish as the best of the
"other 5".If the only advantage to rejoining the MWC is a
slightly better chance of getting into one of the "bcs access" bowls,
then there's really no reason to sacrifice ESPN and BYUtv and more
television revenue, to be stuck with whatever lousy television contract Craig
Thompson has agreed to since BYU left the MWC.
Hey Brad, after last Saturday, tell us again how boring San Jose is! And Buffet
music is for dreamers and wanta bes not doers, so yeah that would be the perfect
music. However BYU is in about as good a situation as they could possibly be in
until such time as a conference of religious schools could be established. That
could be the number one conference in the country.BYU should go to work
trying to make that happen. They darned sure wouldn,t have a problem with
finding competition in that conference. Do a series of articles and get it some
I guess the news coverage in Fillmore is different than what we get along the
Wasatch Front. I must have missed the reports listing all of the conferences
wanting byu to join, but the cougs decided to remain independent.
Well said, Brad!
Why would BYU want to hurt its SOS by rejoining a subpar conference?Do these teams put the fear of losing into you:Air ForceBoise StColorado StFresno StHawaiiNew MexicoSan
Diego StSan Jose StUNLVUtah StWyomingHow
'bout these teams (scheduled next two years):VirginiaTexasUtah (yup)Boise State (still haven't beat'em)Georgia TechWisconsinNotre DameNebraskaMichiganCincinnatiIndependence is MUCH better than the MWC, even with
Boise St back in it. We get them every year for awhile, anyway. Same with Hawaii
& Utah St.MOST IMPORTANTLY, it'd take the same number of
wins/losses in a year to make a big-time bowl game with either scenario, with
the higher independence-scheduled SOS doing a better job of elevating BYU's
"With all our exposure and $4,000,000 to $6,000,000 per game payout from
ESPN, other leagues should ask to join us."Ernie my dear boy,
your comment about byu receiving money from espn is exactly why byu is currently
a team without a league. They want to keep all of the money from the world wide
leader and do not intend to share with any member of a conference should they be
invited. So, while you want other conferences to come courting,
unless they learn "to share and play well with others", it wont'
happen anytime soon.Oh, and that Sunday play thing might have a bearing on
an invitation, as well.
For BYU football, it's either put up or shut up.I'd rather
see BYU put up (schedule tough opponents as an independent and learn to win
those games) than shut up (fade into a fetal position in the MWC and pretend to
TheNunAre you seriously arguing with well-known Utah troll, ETB,
about the validity of another one of his random posts?
Take some No doz for the San Jose state game? Didnt SanJose just beat BYU? I would like to see BYU and BSU in the same conferance. It would become
a great rilvary. However I wish it wasnt between the Mountain West or Big East
conferance. Maybe these 2 schools could break out on their own and start a new
conferance. If BYU and BSU were to do that others would surley follow.
We are to assume that what ESPN said is actually true. According to official
sources at SDSU, they have had no talks with the MWC. If anything is to be
assumed, it is that BYU hasn't talked with the MWC except to say,
"Don;t call us, we'll call you-not!"
BYUBoise StateUtah StateAir ForceUNLVSan Diego
StateNew MexicoFresno StateHawaiiNevadaWould
be a good conference for both football and basketball.It would be
especially intriguing for BYU, if the new conference could sign a contract with
ESPN that would allow BYU to retain television rights to home games not
televised by ESPN, and to allow BYUtv to rebroadcast BYU games televised by
ESPN.Other than that specific scenario, BYU is better off remaining
an Independent, playing Boise State and Utah State every year, and scheduling a
couple of those other teams home-and-home every year.----------Notre Dame is already voicing concerns about the long-term stability of
the ACC. The ACC better act quickly to stabilize their conference, or we could
see the ACC ripped apart just like the Big East was - the SEC, Big 12, and Big
Ten are already casting ravenous eyes on the ACC as the next target to decimate.
It makes you wonder who Mark Schlabach's "sources" were (the guy
who broke the "story"), now that San Diego State and Boise State have
both denied having any recent contact with the MWC, and BYU's only
statement concerning the rumor was to characterize it as "speculation",
which BYU has always refused to comment on.
This, or replace Fresno St. and Nv with SMU and Houston as Fresno St. stabbed
BYU in the back a couple of years ago and the ability to play in Texas every
year and possibly get a bigger tv contract make it more viable. The
ability to play 3-4 name brand out of conference teams each year, play for a
conference championship and then in the Cotton, Fiesta, Peach, etc bowls every
year, and if lightning strikes in a bottle end up in the playoffs is a
no-brainer vs independent.
@ScottWrong again with common opponents.Yes Utah was 0-2
vs. Oregon State and USU and BYU was 1-1 there. But those are not the only
common opponents. BYU and Utah played each other. Who won that one. And both
blew out Washington State. Common opponents = 2-2 for Utah and BYU. Does head to
head ever carry weight for the BYU fan who uses inductive logic to justify them
being superior.Bottom line, BYU and Utah are both down. Why talk
smack on Utah when the only difference in record is the schedule. I am not
talking about the good teams BYU played. Don't forget all those games were
losses. Utah lost to their solid opponents as well. Neither school beat anybody
of consequence except Utah beat BYU and BYU beat USU. I am not sure that is all
that impressive either way. USU is having a great year. But they would have more
than two losses with BYU or Utah's schedule. Who did BYU beat?
Outside of USU, Georgia Tech is the only other win outside the patsies. Utah
beat a bad California team, but Georgia Tech is no better.
gdog3finallyYou obviously don't understand the concept of
"common opponents".BYU and Utah State will be bowling this
year. Utah will not.Spin away if that helps you sleep at night, but
nobody besides jealous Utah fans cares.Bottom Line: The
"mighty" Utes, who only a few short months ago were beating their chests
about being able to compete with anybody in the PAC 12, are now whining that
they too would be bowling if only they had played enough creampuffs. Pathetic!
gdog3finally"Utah beat a bad California team, but Georgia Tech
is no better."Do a little research instead of just spouting
off.California(3-9) just fired their coach after finishing the
season on a 5-game losing streak.Georgia Tech(6-5) will be playing
Florida State in the ACC championship game.
@oppositionMaybe this makes more sense to those threatened by my
statements of record swapping with schedule. Look at the bottom 5 opponents in
Utah and BYU's schedule.BYU's bottom five:IdahoNew Mexico StateWeber StateHawaiiWashington
State Utah's bottom five:Northern ColoradoColoradoWashington StateCaliforniaBYUGet it
finally? There is no way anyone reasonable can dispute the bottom five. Look at
both schedules. BYU is in Utah's bottom five. Who else would be there?
Arizona, Arizona State, Washington, UCLA, USC and Oregon State have better
records and schedules than BYU. On the flip side, there is no way you could put
Utah is BYU's bottom five. Utah beat Washington State (like BYU did). Then
you have the 4 patsies listed over and over. Utah, as bad as they
are, would NOT lose to Weber State, Hawaii, Idaho, and New Mexico State. Those 4
teams are 5-37 against a WAC and Big Sky schedule. Hawaii's only win was
against Lamar (Who?). Idaho's only win was against New Mexico State. New
Mexico State's only win was against Sacramento State. And Weber
State's only win was against Southern Utah. This is reality.
Utah and BYU would have identical records with the same schedule this year. Utah
has lost to many teams they shouldn't in Whitt's tenure. But UNLV,
Wyoming and Colorado, as embarrasing as those losses were, are still teams who
are far superior to Idaho, Idaho State, Weber State, and New Mexico State. BYU's 4 weakest teams played this year are 5-37 against the WAC and
BIG Sky. Utah and BYU both beat these teams every time regardless of who is the
QB or anything else. Utah beat BYU head to head (AGAIN) and would be bowling
with BYU's schedule. It's that simple. To say otherwise is just not
realistic.Is it possible Utah and BYU could lose to the bottom 4 on
the Cougars schedule? Yes. Is it reality? No. BYU could lose to New Mexico
State, BUT they won't. I could win the lottery, but I won't (I
don't gamble anyway) and for good reason. Gamblers never win. Look at Weber State, Idaho, New Mexico State, and Hawaii's web sites.
Their records and opponents are so bad that Bingham high school might win 1 out
of 5 against these colleges.
@Truth machineI do my research every time. We may have different
views But my opinions are not just to justify Utah. I admit when Utah is on the
short end. I just get tired of BYU fans saying Utah only finds joy in BYU's
failures when these posts show the same attitudes on your end. California is bad. You could argue GT is better. My main beef is with any BYU
fan who thinks that Utah could lose to Idaho, New Mexico State, Weber State, and
Hawaii. AGAIN look at these teams and their schedules and records. BYU
couldn't have played any easier teams in the country.Bottom
line, regardless of BYU's tough opponents (and they have them/storied
programs), they still have 4 penciled in wins. That is the difference in Utah
going bowling or not. Utah has one penciled in win and that was Northern
Colorado. The other Colorado (Buffs) should be an easy win (like Washington
State) but an upset there is always possible. With the amount of
patsies between Utah and BYU, are you telling me Utah wouldn't be bowling
with the reverse schedule? Don't be biased.
gdog3finallyYou just don't get it do you?You
haven't proven ANYTHING will all of your schedule comparisons and weak
analysis based on nothing but your own biased opinion of what would have
happened IF...The ONLY thing the Utes have proven this year is that
they aren't competitive in the PAC 12 and they aren't good enough to
qualify for a bowl playing a PAC 12 schedule.BYU and Utah State will
be bowling.Utah will not.Cry us a river, and then stop your
The problem with BYU has always been an ego problem and that will never change.
Pride cometh before the fall.
@ Sports FanYour second and third paragraphs are correct. That is
reality.I am not jealous though (paragraph four). I just am
defending the Utes from unfair criticism. I respect BYU and certainly don't
have jealousy wrapped into their program. Read my comments on your BYU sections.
I often give compliments where I see them. My beef has been with the
bottom four on BYU's schedule, and some Cougar fans saying Utah could lose
one of those games. NO WAY! Do you think Utah would lose to Idaho, Weber State,
Hawaii, and New Mexico State? If you haven't already, look at those teams
schedules and records. Honestly, any MWC team would cream these guys. Their only
wins were against teams that are lucky to have football programs. Those four
teams have 5 wins total with a WAC and Big Sky schedule. Hopefully Utah will
have that same total (five wins) on their own with a PAC 12 schedule, if they
beat Colorado that is. If Utah loses to the Buffs then I will be embarrassed,
and you can gloat in Utah's sufferings. You know, the Christian way.
Make that third and fourth paragraph that is.
@phoenix I agree with you that I am being pathetic for focusing on
Utah being in a bowl game if they played more creampuffs. I also think it's
pathetic BYU played so many creampuffs on their schedule, only to see some of
their fans gloat about their Mickey Mousse bowl game they have. Why mock Utah
when you kust lost to San Jose State? Read all of my posts. I often
defend my Utes from attackers, but NEVER demean BYU or make fun of them like so
many of you do towards Utah. It's these same posters that are offended by
my opinions. i represent the BYU way more than you do.
BYU could not really be blamed for not going back to the Mountain West
Conference after the short shrift they got from the Mountain West Sports Network
during their last season in the MWC. The mtn. did previews of all new recruits
except BYU's and they played post-season football reruns instead of live
BYU basketball, including one game against a nationally ranked team.
This is crazy talk, Brad. I seriously think most of the Y fans out there have
gone nuts.Brad: I can think of just two reasons why BYU should consider
going back to the Mountain West Conference: Hawaii and San Diego.Me:
Really, because BSU and a top 16 USU program or a top 22 SJSU is worthless as
opponents? Because the MWC had just as many teams in the top 25 as the PAC this
year?Brad: Otherwise, they should treat their old league like a pair of
high school pants: something they outgrew.Me: But outgrowing your old
pants isn’t exactly a good thing, especially if it means you have gotten
lazy.Brad: The impetus behind leaving the MWC was money and exposure. Me: And...taking a shot at getting into a aq bid conference, which invite is
Brad: How much could that have changed in two seasons since BYU became an
independent? Me: Considering that the MWC had just as many ranked teams
this year as the PAC – and four teams ranked higher than the Y…a lot
has changed.Brad: BYU gets four times as much money, and at least that
much more exposure from its contract with ESPN.Me: Correction…DID
get four times the money and exposure. In the new MWC, BYU would be having their
cake and eating it too as far as both money and exposure are concerned. Plus,
they would have the stability of a good conference. Brad: Tough as life is
as an independent, rejoining the MWC isn't a measurable upgrade.Me:
Because a sure-fire losing season next year is an upgrade as an independent?
Come on...have you looked at the 2013 schedule?
Brad: After a relatively quiet autumn, an alarm sounded on Monday when it was
reported that Maryland and Rutgers were moving to the Big Ten. Looks like more
realignment. Meanwhile, the battered Big East has been relegated to one of five
conferences that will vie for a single-access bowl slot. According to an ESPN
story, San Diego State, Boise State and BYU have talked with the Mountain West
about a reunion, since that league is also in the "Group of Five"
conferences.Me: Exactly, and the alignment is going EAST not WEST.
Indeed, both BSU an SDSU are ABOVE BYU on every aq bid conference short list. It
is wishful thinking that more realignment will bring an invite for the Y if it
already hasn’t brought one for BSU, SDSU, SMU, or Houston yet. Besides,
the “group of five” is just lingo for the “best team from the
best conference of the group of five,” and that conference is solidly the
MWC at this point.
Brad: The thinking is that as long as both the Big East and MWC have the same
(minor) access to the national playoffs, why travel halfway to France to
compete?Me: Wrong and this is irrational thinking, Brad. The CORRECT
line of thinking is that the MWC WITHOUT BYU had just as many teams in the top
25 this year as the PAC. The CORRECT line of thinking is that the MWC is already
now the second or third best conference in the nation for basketball. The
CORRECT line of thinking is that the MWC is shaping to be the ONLY relevant
conference in the group of 5 and, 3 years from now, will be the last of the aq
Brad: On the bright side, a return for BYU could mean a return to playing games
in Hawaii and San Diego. Football road trips don't get any better than
that. Balmy breezes, lapping waves, warm sun ...Me: Now you are just
being delusional and saying nothing about competing annually against 4 football
teams and 4 bb teams on an annual basis that are better than the state of
BYU’s current programs. If the Y wants to join a powerconference so badly,
then they first need to PROVE they are better than the likes of BSU, SDSU, SJSU,
and USU, because right now we are not better than any of those programs, in both
football and BB.
Brad: BYU would have little reason to return to the Mountain West.Me: Because competing in the best football conference outside the aq bid
conferences and the second best BB conference in the nation is a bad thing?
While at the same time keeping the lion’s share of your TV revenue? Ok,
Brad. I guess scheduling New Mexico State, Idaho State and getting our fannies
kicked at Camp Randall and South Bend next year is much better option?Brad: Been there, abandoned that. Me: Correction, been there, and
prematurely abandoned that
Brad: I can't picture BYU showing up, hat in hand, asking for readmission
to a mid-major conference any more than America asking to rejoin the British
Empire.Me: Now we get to the real issue and the ONLY rational thing
you have said. Translation: it is about pride and ego…simple as that. BYU
would rather shoot itself in the foot and cut off the arms of its sports and BB
program before we return to ANY new MWC. Brad: At this point —
and every other point until it's a done deal — this is all
speculation. Me: Thank goodness, because if this is really the line
of thinking with the athletic program in Provo and not just the ramblings of a
journalist, then they all need to be replaced.