Utah 24 FinalBYU 21
to Spokane Ute...You Sir keep telling it like it is.Re:
KamUteAgreed. Riddle me this cougar fans... What would byu be w/o
the Lavell years?@worf 9:14 p.m. Nov. 20"Leading
most of the game, BYU loss by three to the number one team in the
country."Darn those three point loses this yr."Doesn't look like a time machine to me."Its in the
past. Spin that.
@CordonBleuI distinctly remember Utah fans being proud of Utah for
competing with the Trojans in the Coliseum and having a chance to win late in
the game. I don't remember any celebrating or being satisfied with the
loss.You are missing my point in regard to the history. It is a
double standard to deny Utah's last decade, even if it is shorter than
BYU's current run. Whatever else Utah did in its entire history before
that is completely irrelevant in this context.Even more importantly,
In the modern era Utah has shown the ability to get to, and win, on the next
level. Even if BYU finished ranked more consistently, they have less hardware
to show for it.
RockwellI don't ever recall saying BYU was an
"irrelevent" independent. Please don't mis-quote or put words in my
mouth. Just pointing out that as far as the Utah-BYU debate goes, we beat you,
this year, on the field, fair and square. That's where it counts in my
book! Again, have a great Thanksgiving!
Spokane UteThe week of the big "rivalry" game with Colorado,
and you're still fixated on a meaningless game against an
"irrelevent" independent way back in early September?LOL!Welcome back to the 80's, when BYU was Utah's bowl game.
Utah 24 FinalBYU 21
Two For Flinching"Congrats BYU fans. You guys almost beat a good
team. I've never seen a fan base so proud of a loss before."Really!I distinctly remember Utah fans beating their chests last
season for ALMOST BEATING USC, even though Utah never lead during the entire
game and ended up losing by three times as many points to USC as BYU lost to
Notre Dame.The selective memory and inconsistency of Utah fans is
Two For Flinching"So BYU has finished in the top 25, 50% of the
time since 1977. Why do you only credit Utah with two great seasons when they
finished ranked 50% of the time in the past decade?"BYU's
50% is over a 35-year period.Utah's 50% is over a 10-year period.That's a HUGE difference, especially when you consider that Utah
only has ONE other AP Top 25 finish in their entire history.A Top 25
finish isn't necessarily a "great" season, but it is a good season.
And stringing 18 Top 25 finishes together over three and a half decades proves
that BYU has had a good football program for a very long time.More
importantly, BYU has shown the ability to string multiple Top 25 finishes
together in three and four year stretches. Utah has never managed to string
together more than two Top 25 finishes in both polls in their entire history - a
couple of brilliant flashes in 2003/2004 and 2008/2009 and little else.
We almost beat the irish....LOL!Purdue was just as close to beating
them and Pitt was even closer. So I'll put the cougies on the same level as
Purdue and worse than Pitt since this is how you judge your team. We lost to San
Jose St. but hey the irish only beat us by 3 were Awesome...LOL!Jazz
fans good news it's ok we didn't win the title we almost beat Michael
Jordan that makes us good......LOL!
Congrats BYU fans. You guys almost beat a good team. I've never seen a
fan base so proud of a loss before.
Leading most of the game, BYU loss by three to the number one team in the
country.Doesn't look like a time machine to me.
"The Utes have over a hundred-year history of clunkers (not a single AP Top
25 finish until 1994), with only an occasional break through since." Wow!---Someone did "mark it down".
Poor disappointed Spokane ute said..."When's the last time
BYU made "a ripple" on the National scale?"Though BYU
has had nothing recently on the radar as far as national rankings, Heisman watch
and so forth I do seem to remember BYU almost pulling off an upset over ND just
a few weeks ago.It was an event that certainly garnered more
national media attention than your precious Utes vying for a proud piece of 10th
place pie in the PAC 12 this weekend!You poor Utes sure know how to
milk that victim part in the PAC12 drama department.
Anti BCSSo BYU has finished in the top 25, 50% of the time since
1977. Why do you only credit Utah with two great seasons when they finished
ranked 50% of the time in the past decade? That is a double standard. Not only
that but BYU won 12 bowl games in that 35 years while Utah won eight in the
decade, including two BCS bowls. If you credit BYU with three great decades it
would be dishonest to not credit Utah with a great decade these past ten
years.Also, my point was not to compare BYU and Army. It was simply
to illustrate that a great history is nice, but it means very little when
comparing the current state of the programs.BTW, BYU's last top
10 finish was in '96. Utah has finished in the top 5 twice since then....
2BCSWINSOverall undefeated seasons Utah 9Talk about
losers.How does it feel to have 7 undefeated teams that didn't
get a single vote in the polls, and 2 other undefeated teams that only got ONE
1st place vote between them (from their own coach)?How does it feel
to have an undefeated team TIED 6-6, by a mediocre 4-3-2 BYU team or another
undefeated team SHUT OUT 0-0, by an even more mediocre 3-3-1 BYU team?BYU, by comparison, is one for one on undefeated teams winning a National
2ferUtah's program has had two very strong seasons the last
decade, and little else in their entire history.Your example of Army
once being a strong football program MIGHT be relevant if there was any
similarity to BYU.The HUGE difference that Utah fans conveniently
overlook when offering such comparisons, is Army, unlike other teams that had
great accomplishments back in the 40's, hasn't done much since.BYU, on the other hand, has been a perennial Top 25 team since 1977, 18
Top 25 finishes in the last 35 years, including FOUR Top 10 finishes and TEN Top
15 finishes.In fact, Bronco has almost as many AP Top 25 finishes
(four) as the Utes have in their entire history (five).Ancient
history or modern history, on a national scale, BYU is still more accomplished,
overall, than the Utes.
Army has a very strong history in football. Anybody mind telling me how this is
relevant today? Nobody has ever tried to claim Utah has a strong history in
football. The program has been very strong the past decade and hopefully will
continue to grow with the new advantages afforded by the PAC-12. This year
wasn't great but that happens to every team once in a while.
@spokane uteEverything you cling to is in the past as well. utah is
not a bcs caliber team any longer, it's over. You utah "fans" cling
to the ute's basketball finals appearance as if it just happened as well,
please note it was 14 years ago, two decades and a century previous to this
one.BYU won the football National Championship my sr year of HS, I
was 18. I am now in my 40's. It does not seem long ago to me at all. We all
judge "ancient history" by our own frame of reference. utah's
fiesta bowl appearance was 8 years ago, their sugar bowl appearance 4 years ago.
Time flies. But if you are so fixated on living in the present and
truly believe that is all that matters, well today, right now, utah's
football and basketball, frankly their entire athletic program, is abysmal. Just
plain awful. That is the present. That is not "ancient history", that is
not decades or centuries past, that is now, right now, currently, as we speak.
They are truly bad. There you have it. That is the present. I know it is rough
but it is today.
History starts when BYU says it starts? If we are comparing; history
starts when the programs start. If that is the case, BYU has a long way to go to
catch up. Utah has their worst season since McBride was fired yet they still
were good enough to beat BYU. What does that say about BYU? Awards are great but
do they resonate to wins on the field? Nope.
Jealous UThe time machine slant again? I guess if that's all
you got, that's all you got. Pounding on your chest about the season you
didn't beat a single ranked team; and beat poor 6-6 Michigan in your huge
Holiday Bowl game. Talk about embarassing.I wonder how many of these
folks are posting under several differn't screen names? The debate is
always the same and always refers to the good old days.
LOL!post after post from jealous, embarrassed Utah fans, who still
haven't figured out that the Utes have never won a single national award in
their entire history.National ChampionshipsBYU 1Utah
0Heisman TrophiesBYU 1Utah 0National
Individual Award WinnersBYU 15Utah 0National College
Football Hall of Fame PlayersBYU 6Utah 0Top 25
FinishesBYU 18Utah 7Best Finishes EVERBYU #1/#1Utah #2/#4The Utes hold parades for finishing 2ndBYU
holds parades for winning a National Championship-----How embarrassing it must be for U to finish a season "undefeated" and
not get a single vote in the national polls.Even more embarrassing,
to have one of your "undefeated" leather-helmet era teams TIED by a
mediocre BYU team.
@2BCSWINSYes, it seem like the same little group just can't
leave Utah thread(s) alone. Your Screen name really says it all when discussing
Utah Football. Now Thesportsauthority is bragging about a loss. Notice how he
didn't mention the Utah - BYU game "during this down year"? They
always seem to leave that tid bit out. Maybe Thesportauthority can call us when
BYU makes a BCS bowl game. He might as well have his phone service disconnected.
LOL! post after post from jealous cougie fan's. Cougies worry about
actually winning a game against Utah and San Jose St. then come back and
talk....LOL! Ducky/Pheniox you are correct Utah has done twice as
much over the last decade then the cougies have in their entire history.
Undefeated seasons Utah 2 (last 8 Years)...Cougies 1 (ever) Overall undefeated
seasons Utah 9....Cougies 1....LOL!
Spokane Ute"When's the last time BYU made "a
ripple" on the National scale?"Top 25 FinishesBronco
5Kyle 3Top 15 FinishesBronco 3Kyle 1Notre Dame 17BYU 14Even in a down year, with a miserable
offense, BYU was still only one decent throw from Riley to Hoffman away from
beating the #1-ranked team in the country on their home field.It's not BYU's fault if Utah's best is only 2nd best, #2/#4.Call us when U reach the pinnacle; ancient or not, we've been where
you can only dreaming of being someday.
MussingaroundWho has won on the field between BYU the last three
years, and 8 of the last 11?(crickets)There's your
cue to jump in the BYU time machine. Tell us all about the great Fiesta Bowl
loss, from 38 years ago.LOL!
@ Ducky & anymousWhere to start? First off, don't assume my
age, because you haven't a clue. Utah has done well over the last 10 - 12
years. Of course BYU fans get in their time machine because Utah has rolled them
as of late. I've noticed it's basically your only defense. Keep living
in the past, and trolling the Utah threads. I will continue to deal with recent
history and pull for my team. You can continue to discuss ancient history. Oh,
don't recall ever saying Utah had a great program prior to the 90's?
No, just Phoenix putting words in my mouth. When's the last time BYU made
"a ripple" on the National scale? It's been a while; don't kid
your self! It's not my fault if no conference wants your team and you
can't run the table to a BCS game. Live with it!
"Utah has been to a bowl game 11 of the last 12 years, and 14 of the last
18. They have won 10 of their last 11 bowls..."How many times
did one of those amazing Utah bowl-winning teams manage to finish in the Top
25?How many times did the Utes play in a bowl as
"insigificant" as the Las Vegas (remember when Utah fans were claiming
that the Poinsettia Bowl was just as "presitigious" as the Las Vegas
Bowl?), Poinsettia, Armed Forces, Kraft Fight Hunger or Liberty Bowl?How many times did the Utes play a ranked team in one of those bowls?How many of those bowl-winning Utah teams were also conference champions?*crickets*The truth is, alot of mediocre Utah teams played
in alot of meaningless bowls against alot of mediocre opponents, and this
season, the "mighty" Utes weren't even good enough to reach that
low standard.At least U have basketball to look forward to...or not.
Spokane UteThe truth is, the Utes never even made a ripple in the
national college football landscape until 2004. Without the
proliferation of bowls starting in the early 90's, the Utes wouldn't
have even been considered for a bowl during most of the last 15 seasons. The WAC, renamed the MWC when the real WAC split from the bloated
16-team WAC, rarily had more than the conference champion and, occassionally,
one other very good team, invited to a bowl.The real reason Utah
fans whine about BYU fans getting into their time machine is because when
jealous Utah fans get into their time machine it only goes back to 2004; Utah
has no football history on a national scale prior to 2004.
@spokane uteYes it is trolling but that doesn't mean Phoenix is
incorrect, to the contrary he is completely correct. utah does not have much of
a history and this sort of season is far more the norm than not. Yes they have
been respectable for about 8 years and I'm guessing most youngsters like
yourself with a limited time frame for reference think that is an eternity and
the totality of recorded history, sadly it isn't. The truth is
this is what utah is with a less than a decade long exception that now appears
to have ended. While I do not expect any fan of any team to be satisfied with a
season like utah has had it would probably be in your best interest to become
accustomed to it as this will be far and away more common than 9-3 or 10-2.
Those years, and there were very few of them to begin with, are over. Accept it.
It will be much easier on your psyche.
Veracity,You are completely clueless. The Pac 12 is not rethinking,
nor can they. It was a unanimous decision by all Presidents of the conferences.
I looked all over the internet for anything you say. It simply is not true. Site
papers and dates. Sounds like jealousy!
Good to see the commitments coming in. Hopefully, they will be able to help
with next years schedule.
Wow, it really hurts when reality smacks you right in the face...Oh, Utah will
show the big boys in the PAC 10 how to play...Ouch, this must really smart.
Utah better be careful, Colorado thumped them last year as the 'Battle of
the Bottoms' go at it again this year...this is a rival so to
speak...between those wishing not to be the complete bottom of the
conference.According to a recent LA newspaper, the PAC twelve is
re-thinking the additions of Utah and Colorado and are looking at inacting
article 23 of the conference contract that the conference can release any team
which does not play up to a certain level of performance...Hello WAC!
Phoenix,Nice job of getting in your time machine, as usual. Utah has
been to a bowl game 11 of the last 12 years, and 14 of the last 18. They have
won 10 of their last 11 bowls, and beat BYU 8 times over that same time span.
Why do you contantly troll Utah threads, trying to pick an arguement? It tends
me to beleive that you are not a BYU fan, just a Utah Hater. Kind of sad, but
true, when you think about it.
Spokane UteThe Utes have over a hundred-year history of clunkers
(not a single AP Top 25 finish until 1994), with only an occassional break
through since. 2012 isn't an isolated case, it's been the
norm for Utah football for the last half century.If you don't
believe that, review how many bowl games Utah played in from 1962 to 1992.
It's been a dissapointing season to say the least. Every program has a
clunker year every now and then. Let's hope it's an isolated case.
Recruiting has taken a hit, Ammon Barker 6'4 210, runs a 4.4, led the state
in receiving yards, grew up a huge Ute fan, will be playing at UCLA.The
Utes need to figure some things out, and one is they need to keep the top level
Utah kids here.
PAC12Fan"The student section was weak during the last game. I
believe student tickets should not be free. Free means there is no value to the
game."Agreed. Now that the newness of being in the PAC 12 is
starting to wear off, all it would take is a couple more losing seasons with no
bowls, and its very likely that the MUSS would desert the football team just
like they have the basketball team.
As a huge fan, I have come to realize that we are still just a good MWC caliber
team as the talent we are recruiting won't pay off for a year or two.
Coaching needs to be on the same caliber as the talent coming in. We love Brian
Johnson, Shareef Shaw and Dan Finn but they are not ready for their respected
positions. That worked in MWC but you see what happens. Very few times were the
players on the field better than Utah. The penalties, missed blocks, poor qb
preparation has nothing to do with the players. The fans are still
behind the team as most of us are patient. The crowds were over capacity at
every single game this year. The people that paid, all showed up. The student
section was weak during the last game. I believe student tickets should not be
free. I bought two tickets in the MUSS as a student guest. Free means there is
no value to the game. Administration should either sell tickets to the students
or put the student section down to 6,000 tickets so people wanting to buy
tickets can purchase them. Be there next year as well.
Why would the Utes even consider enduring the ridicule and embarrassment of
becoming a prime example of how meaningless bowl games have become when a team
with a losing record is allowed to play in a bowl?
If not for a hike over the QB's head, and an easy Northern
Colorado/Washington State game, the Utes would be 1-8.Actually,
they're a better team then that.Utes 42Buffs 10
Eddie, he's an NFL pedigree Texas high school star who can run 400 meters
in under 47 seconds. Very telling of someone's character when they choose
to belittle an athlete's accomplishments simply because of the school they
chose to attend.
It'll get better next year Ute fans. Wait, Oregon and Stanford are on the
schedule right?I don't blame Utah for jumping at the chance to
be the PAC-10's backup option with Colorado. Who wouldn't have jumped
at the chance? Kudo's to them for being 1)In a position to capitalize on
the opportunity and 2)Not being discriminated against because of religious
affiliation. But I can't help think what might have been if the MWC had
been able to hang on to Utah, BYU, TCU, and Boise State. Sure, the money
wouldn't have been as good as it one day will be for Utah, but those 4
teams would have made some noise every year in the national playoff. As it
stands now none of them, with the possible exception of Boise State, will make
any regular noise.What a disappointing year for both BYU and Utah
fans. Neither in a position to rub the other's nose in anything (except
for Utah's now annual habit of being able to say they won their
'real' (and this year literally only) bowl game against the true
rival).Congratulations to Utah State though. Nice job Aggies.
Of course this last game could never be considered as a bowl game. The Utes
already had one bowl game this year back in September. Can't have two bowl
games in one year.And if the NCAA allows any team with a losing
record to participate in a bowl game then the integrity of that game is nil. If
it takes using teams with losing records just to put on a bowl game then such
bowls are worthless and/or meaningless.
"Absolutely not. This is not a bowl game. It's a regular-season
game," Whittingham said while noting that it isn't his philosophy or
belief to pretend or make something up. "It's another chance, another
opportunity in the regular season to win a game."My, my, my how
the tune has changed. Colorado was supposed to be our new PAC 12
rival, the Rumble in the Rockies, the end-all-be-all of late November rivalry
games, but the way Whittingham and the Utes are talking about it, there's
absolutely nothing "special" about this game, just another regular
season game with a chance for one more win...Utah(4-7) at
Colorado(1-10), the rubble in the Rockies, appropriately played on Black Friday
"Dre'Vian Young, a 5-foot-9, 170-pound running back out of Nimitz High
School in Texas, originally committed to Kansas State."Sounds
like a brusing guy! Did they find this guy at a pee-wee league?
Uh huh... (wink, wink)It's the 'Golden Chip Bowl'.
And you can bet the Utes will be fighting for their very lives to
win this one. LOL
Kyle went to Travis Wilson way too early in the year. It's one thing to
develop the future and another to give up on the present. John Hays
had come a long way. With Utah's O line getting things straightened up
after their September woes, and White IV finally getting healthy, Hays was
booted when Utah was only 0-2 in conference and ready to turn the corner. Whittingham starts the freshman at UCLA (bad timing). Anyone who saw the
two road games @UCLA and Oregon State saw a Ute team that played well enough to
win in both game except for Wilson's awful performances. Utah
was 11-0 the last two years when White IV rushed for over 100 yards. Then they
lose two straight when White IV shined big because Wilson was inept. Utah has
had some skilled WRs the last 3 years but Whittingham has wasted them on Wynn
and now Wilson. I am not even sure Wilson is the future at the QB position. Two seasons wasted to start PAC 12 play. There was a chance to shine,
build momentum in the new league, avoid Stanford and Oregon and increase
recruiting. Chance now lost.