The only move that would make sense for BYU is a move to the Big 12.
Independence is far better than ongoing return trips to football
'meccas' like Laramie or Ft. Collins. I love seeing the games on BYU
TV and we are doing just fine in the WCC for basketball.
C'mon post my comment!Thank you Jeff Call for debunking this
bogus story. Boise and San Diego are still moving to the Big East. Not BYU nor
the other schools have talked with the MWC about going back. Nice
cheap shot Shumway!
Why would I expect the news to report "news" and not pick up every bit
of gossip, inuendo and speculation? (Because I grew up respecting what
journalists wrote and what they wre taught in the nation's schools of
journalism.) Times seemed to have changed in the 'news business.'
Rutgers and Maryland to the Big 10UConn, Louisville and USF to the
ACCFlorida St and Clemson to the Big 12That's
it.....BYU....Stay Independent or form a new Continental
Conference with the "Best" of MWC, Big East, C-USA.BYU must
keep it's ESPN deal, and rebroadcast rights. (Minimum)
MTN West has moved on.They may not take the Band of Aids back? Let
'em stay independent!
Maybe i'm a little too hing up on meanings, but how does San Diego state
join the big east. Is Hawaii next to join the big east?
College football is plain insane. The Big East with Boise and others is just
silly. I wish the Big East had remained a basketball conference with the 8 teams
in the northeast. But thanks once again to the BCS, the landscape of this great
sport is a mess.
Only two options to consider:1- Big 12 or other BCS conference2- Stay independent - only until #1 happensDon't even think
about the MWC!!
Example that the BCS is still alive and bossy. They will drop the name but still
have exclusivity to the big bowls. Time is running out, let's get a Big 10
or Big 12 conference.
The only way we should go back to a conference is it we create a new on and if
they sign a new tv deal AND the teams are:1. Utah2. BYU3.
TCU4. Boise St5. UNLV (because of basketball)6. San Diego St
(because of basketball)7. Fresno St - 8. Hawaii (for recruiting
purposes)That's it - do not add UT St. they have no tv market-
get rid of New Mexico, Colorado St, WYO, and Air Force - they too have no tv
markets and I'm tired of hoping they can win any out of conference
games.Then add Gonzaga and St Mary's for basketball only.An 8 team league would allow BYU to schedule several top non-conference
teams and travel around the country.
In a few years, I think the conferences are going to learn what the WAC learned
years ago when it expanded - large conferences don't work. There are too
many mouths to feed. The travel costs, for the school and the fans are too
high. The natural rivalries are lost.There will be a move back to
10 team conferences. With a ten team conference, every school can play each
other once in football and twice in basketball. Why be in the same conference
with someone, if you only get to play them occasionally?
The jockeying circus amongst the college teams continues.
I think that it would be cool if BYU joined the ACC, or shared 1/2 of Notre
Dame's ACC schedule (BYU and Notre Dame = full ACC team). Not likely to
happen, but still fun to think about.BYU should not join the
Big-Least or rejoin the MWC. They can provide nothing but weak teams.
I have some questions as to how BYU is run. It has an enrollment of 30k plus,
one of the 10 largest basketball arenas, a 60k plus football stadium, and a
built in fan base (at least a couple of million) through association with the
LDS church...and they're bowl access is similar to that of Army? Hate to say it but, if I'm LDS and have a kid who is a top notch athlete
I'm probably telling him to go to Utah until BYU gets their stuff
Blah blahBlah blah blahBlah blahBlah blah blahTalk
is cheap and speculation is worthless
It is a rumor... conference expansion is a "hot" subject that grabs
headlines. Look at the 2013 schedule, BYU is fine. The MWC would have to sell
BYU on the idea. Who would listen to Thompson? No one.
"Much ado about nothing." Somebody please poke me when something
actually real and factual happen about this topic, otherwise, I'm going
back to my nap. I'm just tired of all the nonsense.
WON84,If I live anywhere outside of Utah and have an LDS son or
daughter who is a top notch athlete, why on earth would I send them to the U?
Utah is a commuter school for people living on the Wasatch Front. BYU is above the U academically and our kids meet a larger LDS peer group
there that aren't all living at home. If they are really good academically
or athletically, then consider Stanford, USC or an East Coast school that
propels them into what they are looking for.
I really don't care - MWC, Big East, Small Ten. It is all pretty much the
same to me. The only thing I want for Christmas is an offense.
Be the best of the 'other five' (conferences) and you are
automatically in an access bowl. How is this espn supported 'rumor' a
bad thing? WAKE UP deseret news readers/commentors! The BCS is OFFICIALLY dead
in 406 days. How many of those days will need to pass before you wake up to that
reality? Stop with the stupid already! As for you Jeff I hope this article
isn't an open mouth insert foot type thing. The press these days is
perfecting that absurdity!
Just so everyone understands, I AM a BYU fan, but BYU is proving they are at
best a middle of the road WAC team, why would the MWC take this mis-guided,
ill-performing misfits into their conference? Sometimes you just need to start
over and that time has come for BYU...from the coaches to the bench! I was so
mad and embarressed with the game Saturday, I actually changed channels to watch
Utah...then when it was over, I switch back to my team and watched Riley fumble
the ball for another should-have-won loss...graduate Riley now!
JustTheTruthManIn order to be the best of the "other five"
conferences, BYU would have to run the table or, at the very least, have only
one loss against another quality team.As an Independent, BYU
wouldn't have a guarantee, but to be considered as an at-large selection,
BYU would also have meet the same standard.Does anybody doubt that
with teams like Nebraska, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Boise State, and West Virginia
on BYU's future schedules, that BYU wouldn't be ranked just as high,
if not higher, as an Independent than the Cougars would be as a member of the
MWC?In reality, BYU would have just as good chance of playing in one
of the 'bcs access" bowls as an Independent, as the Cougars would as a
member of the MWC, and probably a better chance, with a stronger SOS, of
finishing high enough in the playoff rankings to qualify for a 4-team and
certainly an 8-team playoff.
JustTheTruthMan "WAKE UP deseret news readers/commentors! The BCS is
OFFICIALLY dead in 406 days."Wake up justhetruthman. Officially
dead is not really dead. The same conferences have exclusivity to the big bowls
and the National Championship. We should have jumped to a big
conference three years ago. Might be too late now. But, I still want to hear
that BYU is talking and showing interest rather than just playing it cool.
Every conference in America wants us.
eastcoastcoug - While that's true there are a lot of LDS church members who
think they've got to get their kids to the "holy land" even if they
cannot get into BYU. I was raised LDS in Houston of all places. Quite a few
from my seminary class went to Utah and USU for this reason.That
said, the main point is it's apparent BYU is not committed to competing at
the highest level in football.
BYU wants the money grab and all of those South American football fans. They
aren't interested in having a competitive football team that competes for
WON84,I agree with you - and am also disappointed at the level of
play by both our football and basketball teams. This talk about which conference
we are in is academic since we would not win in ANY conference. Have the best
record in all 5 non BCS conferences? Not a chance!!I still would
never send my kids to the U...I love them too much!!
Veracity,BYU is NOT 'at best a middle of the road WAC
team'. I too am frustrated with their dysfunctional performances. But lets
WON84"it's apparent BYU is not committed to competing at
the highest level in football"Sorry, but I totally disagree with
your assessment.BYU has already scheduled games with Texas, Notre
Dame, Wisconsin, Nebraska, West Virginia, Michigan and Boise State. If that
isn't conclusive evidence that BYU is committed to competing at the highest
level in football, I don't know what evidence you're looking for.Nobody is confusing Independence with being a member of the Big 12, but
it's certainly MUCH better than joining a crumbling conference like the Big
East. "Cultural" roadblocks ensured that the PAC 12 was never a viable
option. BYU's move from the MWC was the inevitable result of the MWC's
inept leadership and unwillingness to address serious concerns about its lame
television contract and broken promises.Independence or membership
in the Big 12 are the only viable options available if BYU wants to compete at
the highest level of college football.
Unless the MWC can come up with a BCS bid, and a lucritve TV deal; why in the
world would BYU want to go back? They are better of as an independent, or to
wait for a invite from a BCS conference.
BYU won't join the MWC, even if they begged. If the MWC can't keep
their promises before, why would BYU trust them this time? The MWC could have
been a very good conference with BYU, Utah, Boise St., TCU, and later Utah State
(in hindsight). However, they cheated their members and gave them no incentive
to stay when other opportunities arose.
JmThmsOk, I'll back off of saying at best...they are a middle
of the road WAC team.phoenixSceduleing of games is one
thing, but showing up to play at that level is another...and they are not and
appears in the future will not be at that level...sorry.
Cougars won't go back to the MWC. They couldn't win that conference
with Utah State, Boise State and SDSU in there.
I too doubt BYU's return to the MWC, not unless they could keep their TV
deal. But you have to admit, it would be a lot better than playing the likes of
Idaho, NMSU and Weber State in November. And if you cannot find enought teams
to schedule late in the season, I guess you can always do what NMSU and Idaho
are doing next year and just play them twice in the same season. BYU to the Big 12 wont happen, I think most of you guys know that already. I
dont' have a dog in this fight, I personally don't care if Boise or
SDSU rejoin the MW. I'm fine with the conference the way it is! I'm
sure the big east will pluck up a few more CUSA schools and Boise and SDSU keep
their pride and stay put. Have fun!
eastcoastcoug:Liked your comment. I believe I sufficiently scared my
teenage daughter recently with the likelihood of having to settle for the U if
she doesn't get her grades up from the 3.5 GPA she just earned in her first
quarter in high school. . . .
Negatives: Games in Laramie, Albaquywhatever, Ft. Collins with perennially lousy
teams. Hair Thompson. Limited exposure, low-paying bowl games (like now). Lots
of crappy teams to play that pull down recruiting.Positives: If the
conference has 1- BYU, 2-Boise State, 3- San Diego State, 4- Air Force; that
gives some limited stature. 5- Utah State and 6- SJSU are just starting to do
well. 7- Fresno State and 8-Nevada are okay. 9- UNLV is weak in football but
good in basketball. CSU is a real stretch. Forget including Wyoming,
New MexicoBYUtv must be part of the deal.ESPN would be
hard to drop and compensation must result to make up for this, although
it's hard to replace the exposure.
I think that this is a tempest in a teapot. While the independent experience
has certainly been a little "interesting" at times, I don't think
that the school is ready to throw in the towel after two seasons. The CFB
landscape is just too unsettled right now. And crawling back to the MWC
conference is the last thing we'd want to do.But in the off
chance that we *DO* head back, at the top of my list of demands is getting rid
of Craig 'Hair' Thompson. No negotiation on that point. How that man
still has his job is bewildering to me.
Cougfanintx"In a few years, I think the conferences are going to
learn what the WAC learned years ago when it expanded - large conferences
don't work. There are too many mouths to feed. The travel costs, for the
school and the fans are too high. The natural rivalries are lost."Hmmm, how many multi billion dollar tv contracts have been signed recently?
54-10Salt Lake City, UT"Cougars won't go back to the MWC.
They couldn't win that conference with Utah State, Boise State and SDSU in
there."Coming from a fan of the team that won how many MWC
championships? U can at least be grateful UNLV isn't on your list. But U
DO still have to worry about Colorado.
"eastcoastcougDanbury, CTWON84,I agree with you -
and am also disappointed at the level of play by both our football and
basketball teams. This talk about which conference we are in is academic since
we would not win in ANY conference. Have the best record in all 5 non BCS
conferences? Not a chance!!I still would never send my kids to the
U...I love them too much!!"Regarding basketball, Dave Rose gets
a pass to have one down season every seven! There is nothing to worry about
there.As far as football, BYU's only access to the postseason
will have to come through a conference. It's a moot point right now but,
let's say they run the table playing the equivalent of 2013's
schedule. They will still not get in because that is revenue that would be
"taken" from one of the five primary conferences. There is a selection
committee being put in place to ensure that playoff participants come from five,
and only five conferences.
Phoenix – BYU has scheduled games with Texas, Notre Dame,
Wisconsin, Nebraska, West Virginia, Michigan and Boise State however many of
those are road one and dones or road two for ones. BYU is primarily interested
in playing in front of fan bases in other cities for exposure for the LDS
church.Unfortunately the only viable option for BYU to remain
competitive at the highest levels of college football is within an AQ
conference. They’ll never be a part of the playoff as an undefeated
independent / member of a non-AQ conference no matter how tough of a schedule
they play. The selection committee’s job is to ensure the revenue from
the high dollar playoff games stays concentrated within one of five (probably
four as the ACC is headed the direction of the Big East) conferences. Teams not
from one of said conferences will not EVER be playoff participants.Also, there are a lot of schools with far less to show than BYU in AQ
conferences. I’m surprised more people aren’t questioning
BYU’s leadership as a result.
WON84"BYU has scheduled games with Texas, Notre Dame, Wisconsin,
Nebraska, West Virginia, Michigan and Boise State however many of those are road
one and dones or road two for ones."Home or away doesn't
really matter. As BYU showed at Texas last season and at Notre Dame this season,
BYU is not intimidated playing road games against big name opponents. Winning on
the road, in fact, would give BYU even more credibility."Not
EVER" is a long time and a phrase that was uttered frequently about the
prospects of an "outsider" ever winning a major college football
national championship...until 1984!Be honest, where
would BYU be ranked today, if the Cougars had run the table beating #1 Notre
Dame(10-1), #22 Boise State(8-3), Georgia Tech(5-6), and their rival Utah(3-8),
on the road, and #16 Oregon State(7-3) and #25 Utah State(9-2) at home.Undefeated with at least three wins against Top 25 teams, including at Top 10
Notre Dame.Anybody who says that BYU(11-0) wouldn't have a VERY
realistic chance of being ranked #1 TODAY, is simply being a homer.