gdog3finally"BYU played two more penciled in wins than Utah did.
That's the difference between the red and blue swapping 7-5 for 5-7 the
other way."As has already been discussed on another blog,
that's pure speculation on your part. You have absolutely no proof that
Utah would have finished any better than 5-7 even if the Utes had played
BYU's schedule.Neither BYU nor Utah had stellar seasons, but
it's obvious to any objective observer that BYU has accomplished marginally
more this season, than Utah.The Cougars lost four games by a total
of 13 points to some very good teams all on the road and, the Cougars had a
decent chance well into the 4th quarter of winning every game they lost. In four
of BYU's losses, one play could have turned the loss into a win.btw, be careful not to fall asleep in Boulder - finishing another regular
season with a loss to 10-loss Colorado would be beyond humiliating, it might
even set some sort of "power conference" record for futility.
Meadow Lark MarkIDAHO FALLS, IDI think the Utah Byu rivalery is
over. BYU hasn't been interested in the game for the last 3 years. My hats
off to Utah. They are the only one who took the game seriously. I'm glad
for a couple of years off for the heated feelings demonstrated by some to
hopefully cool off. Honestly I wish both schools the best. This has been a
disappointing year for both schools.It is interesting that Utah
joined an AQ conference yet it was Utah who has come out hungry in this game
since...that said, the game really does have little meaning moving forward
unless you like to fight with your neighbors. For those of you who do, I'm
sorry to see it go.
“Utah didn't beat anybody of consequence this year unless you count
BYU. In turn, BYU beat one team of consequence. That being USU. Sorry but the
Georgia Tech game is no different than Utah beating California. All the quality
teams on both teams schedules were losses this year.”gdog3finally – I’ll applaud the attempted objectivity in that post
however Georgia Tech is playing in their conference championship game. This is
also a BCS AQ conference, something very near and dear to the heart of Ute fans.
Cal? They’re a cut above New Mexico St. and have all of
three wins. Sorry but, this is not even comparable.
The trash talk from BYU fans about Utah's woes is hypocritical. Utah is
labelled the team who only wants BYU to lose. Irony; BYU is having an awful year
themselves, and seeking joy joy in Utah losing. That is not what BYU represents
fellas. BYU and Utah beat nobody of consequence this year except one
other instate foe. Utah beat BYU, BYU beat Utah State, and Utah State beat Utah.
The Aggies, Utes and Cougars went 1-1 against each other. USU is the best
program in the state but their overall record is much better because they play
the softest schedule. Bottom line, looking at the head to head games, each ended
with one play that could have seen all three teams either be 2-0 or 0-2 against
each other. BYU and Utah played tough teams, but lost those games.
BYU played a solid game against Notre Dame (the Irish are lucky their gamble to
rest their starting QB one more week against BYU didn't ruin their magical
season)BYU played two more penciled in wins than Utah did.
That's the difference between the red and blue swapping 7-5 for 5-7 the
pebblesUtah DESPERATEY needs to play BYU; just as during the WAC
era, BYU has once again become Utah's bowl game. Utah's
wins over BYU the last couple of years are the ONLY bright spots in the
otherwise utterly barren wasteland of Utah's life in the PAC.
StGtoSLCReal fans don't simply celebrate successes, but blindly
ignore failures. They objectivey evaluate progress and criticize when
deserved.It's true that Utah did have a couple of breakthrough
seasons in 2004 and 2008, but objectively evaluating both seasons:In
2004, Utah had a very good team that dominated a bunch of weak opponents, but
didn't beat a single "good" opponent during the regular season or
in the Fiesta Bowl.In 2008, Utah also had a very good team, though
in my opinion not as good s 2004, that barely survived beating some very
mediocre teams on the road, and was fortunate to play all of their tough regular
season opponents at home. The Utes finished with a good win over a great Alabama
team, that quite obviously never took the Utes seriously.Unfortunately, Utah has never done anything to prove that they can sustain the
momemtum neccessary to be competitive in the PAC 12. Lots of hype, but no
substance to Utah fan boasting that the Utes were ready to compete on equal
footing with the big boys of the conference.Instead of wishful
chest-beating, I'm still waiting for Utah to DO SOMETHING in the PAC.
No reason for Utah to play the mid major Cougs anymore. Domination by Utah the
last decade and overall leaves Utah nothing to prove. Besides the Utes would
rather play BCS teams this time of year while BYU would rather play their type
of team (WAC). It sounds like congratulations are in order, back to the Mt.
West/Worst is a possibly for BYU I hear; I guess it is a step up from being a
common law member of the WAC.
Personally, I wouldn't care if BYU never played Utah, it's an ugly
hate fest that needs to die. I'm hoping Utah refuses to schedule BYU ever
again and goes 4-6 every year in the Pac-12
Ufan, real fans support their team through wins and losses, trolls rejoice in a
team's failing and deride their successes. You, sir, are a troll,
regardless of where you claim to have graduated from.
CougFaninTX,You make is sound like Nelson wanted to come out of the
game, but his coaches and trainer wouldn't let him. I doubt that's
how it played out.Nelson, as you said, is a "20+ year old
kid." He is 24 years old. That makes him an adult. He probably makes a
lot of decisions without his parents input, and whether to stay in the game or
not was probably one of them.
Who am I sir?LOL!The ONLY "opportunity" that
playing your "bcs conference rival" gives you is another chance to be
thoroughly embarrassed by losing to the same 10-loss team in back-to-back
seasons.Only a completely delusional fan would think that beating
any 10-loss team is meaningful.btw, BYU is headed to the Poinsettia
Bowl; Utah is headed to the Coach Potato Bowl; Utah State is headed to a
conference championship.BYU may have to re-think it's plans to
keep conference bottom dwellers like Utah on its schedule.
Sorrenson still wishing rivalry would continue if it was this Saturday -
Realy?I have a bad feeling maybe ND going to lose to USC and we will
see two SEC playing for NC. Better not happen because ND will go for lawsuite or
I'm not sure who to blame - Mendenhall, Doman or the trainer (all three are
at fault). But it is unconscionable that these three individuals would let a
severely injured Nelson play against Utah, Boise St or the fourth quarter of the
SJSU game. To risk permanent injury to a 20+ year old kid is beyond belief.If I was Riley's parents, I would have been livid to see him
grimacing in pain and have the coaches put him back in the game. We hear rumors
about some college coaches who abuse their players (i.e. Leech and others). To
me, this was beyond abuse. I also happen to belief that any of our
non-injured QBs could have won all three of these games.For his own
good (first and foremost) and the good of the team, I hope Nelson will hang up
his cleats and not risk further injury. I'm hoping to see Lark as the
starter against NMSU and in the Poinsetta.
This week is the week of rivalry games. While it is true if Utah and BYU were
playing it would be a game of local interest and with two evenly matched teams.
However, Utah's game against our conference rival gives us a chance to 1)
get even for last years loss 2) put Colorado firmly at the bottom of the PAC-12
South and 3) give Utah a chance to win against a BCS team. It is a conference
game... I wouldn't trade it for any not conference game at this time of
year. The pre-conference games are for games such as BYU!
I think the Utah Byu rivalery is over. BYU hasn't been interested in the
game for the last 3 years. My hats off to Utah. They are the only one who took
the game seriously. I'm glad for a couple of years off for the heated
feelings demonstrated by some to hopefully cool off. Honestly I wish both
schools the best. This has been a disappointing year for both schools.
It would be nice, atleast one of them would get a win.
Good thing BYU isn't playing Utah this week. It would be another beat down
filled with turnovers, mismanagement of timeouts, penalties, and erratic QB
play. I'm grateful during this time of year that I don't have to
torture myself with another BYU meltdown against the Utes!
Who on earth would want to watch Utah vs BYU this year? Nobody will be watching
either team Saturday. Forget about the "rivalry". It's gone. Nobody
outside of Utah cares. Both teams stink and Utah will be a PAC12 bottom feeder
for years to come.My Cougar Club son-in-law cut off his donations
and will not be attending the Poinsettia Bowl either. I'll probably go to
the the game, since it's is close, but if I see Riley Nelson starting,
I'll have my barf bag ready.No way Riley Nelson beats Rocky
StGtoSLCSorry my crimson glasses wearing friend, but I'm not
only a Utah fan, I'm also a Utah grad. I'm just not a blind red
koolaid drinking Utah fan who refuses to accept reality. Utah simply caught a
lucky break being in the right place, at the right time, with the right
"academics and culture" to snare a PAC 12 invite. If the decision had
been based purely on athletic performance, there's no question that BYU
would have been invited with or instead of Utah, because BYU's overall
football accomplishments make Utah's overall football accomplishments pale
by comparison.I do have to admit that it's nice to see some of
the hot air being let out of some of my fellow Utah fans, although I fully
expect their delusional boasting to begin again soon.
I would have never guessed either team would have struggled like they both have
this year. I think both teams need to look long and hard at their coaches, top
to bottom, to ensure that they have the right people doing the right things to
win. I am not singling out anyone on either team, nor do I want to be negative.
Rather, both teams and their fans deserve better than what we received this
year. If the Utes struggled this year, it is going to be a very challenging
year with Stanford and Oregon on their schedule. Likewise, if the Y
doesn't improve, their schedule next year will be a lot more daunting. I
am happy that Utah State performed well. Go Utes!!
DC,The point here is the SEC seldom plays tough out of conference
games, certainly not on the road. On top of that, they schedule 8 conference
games versus 9. It's a joke if you really think it through. Bottom
line, several of the highly ranked teams you speak of are there out of
conference reputation/affiliation. When an entire conference is highly ranked to
begin a season and then only play each other, it's a no lose situation. I
don't blame the SEC, they know they have a good thing going, why risk
anything by changing? This is exactly why there shouldn't be polls of any
kind until mid-season. If that were the case, teams would get noticed for
quality out of conference wins and their first few conference games. Bias would
still exist, but that system would at least get rid of some of it.I'm
not saying the SEC isn't the best conference in the land, it probably is
... but until I see them playing tough teams on the road I'd rather see
them kept out of major bowl games ... too bad for me.
Get over it, Mike. That ship sailed long ago.BYU_Aggie, Ufan is not
a Utah fan, he/she is a troll that draws constant, unrelated comparisons of Utah
This Thanksgiving, I'm thankful that my Thanksgiving won't be ruined
by my insufferable BYU-loving relatives prattling on and on about how bad BYU is
going to beat Utah this Saturday, how they are the best 6-5 team in the nation,
how they are just 7 or 8 plays away from being undefeated, how next year BYU
will be in the national championship picture, etc. So no, Mike, I don't
agree...I'm glad the annual beating took place in September and soon it
will be gone altogether.
Ufan: Your "new" rival, huh? Just because somebody once said somewhere
during conference realignment that the U and CU are rivals now, doesn't
make it so. Ask anyone in Boulder, and they'll tell you that Nebraska,
Colorado State, or even Northern Colorado are their rivals before anyone
mentions U.I for one will really miss the Utah/BYU game this week.
That, on top of Thanksgiving (and the old Nebraska/Oklahoma rivalry game), used
to make this the best week of the year for my family and I. Even with both
teams having mediocre seasons, it still would have been worth watching, even on
the national scale, IMO.
Like the old saying, "Who is buried in Grants Tomb-nobody". Who would
win this game if it were to be played? Nobody!
MikeWe're closing out ourseason at our new rival, Colorado,
with a chance for a little payback from last season's embarrassment. What
more could we ask for after such a disappointing season?
Did you really just argue that the SEC has it easy because they only play 8
league games? I think that's the first time I've ever heard that.
Never mind that Bama has played 4 ranked teams, two in the top 10, and will have
to play the #3 ranked Bulldogs to go to the championship. Yes, the SEC is a bit
weaker than it was last year, but overall the SEC has 6 ranked teams, 5 of which
are in the top 10. It's a tough league, and even one of their worst teams
won the NC a few years back. And why complain about the SEC getting
to the championship game? Every time they have gone in recent history,
they've won, so arguing that they have an easier path to a game that they
usually win doesn't mean much - they still win.
with the season a huge downer for both schools, the rivalry game would be sweet
if not bitter this week.BYU and Utah are not good football teams.
The head to head game could have gone the other way, but they are equally bad.
If Utah played the same schedule as BYU they would be 7-5 instead of 5-7. Dare I
give Utah the Colorado game? I will give BYU the New Mexico State game
(obviously). So they will finish 7-5. With Utah's schedule I think they
swap with Utah at 5-7 as well. Here is my breakdown. Utah had a
patsy in Washington State but BYU played them as well (wash). Utah has Colorado
and Northern Colorado (bad teams). BYU has four of those (not two). Weber State,
Hawaii, Idaho, and New Mexico State equals four bad teams. Utah
didn't beat anybody of consequence this year unless you count BYU. In turn,
BYU beat one team of consequence. That being USU. Sorry but the Georgia Tech
game is no different than Utah beating California. All the quality teams on both
teams schedules were losses this year.