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Published: Monday, Nov. 19 2012 12:00 a.m. MST

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Nan BW
ELder, CO

Clearly, we have a huge mess. What better suggestion do you have to offer? I am not in favor of succession, but it is a legal way of registering a protest, and is not indicative of adolescent behavior. Are you a sore winner?

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

Its not just silly, its unpatriotic.

So much for the Republican's claim to being the patriots.

Hemlock
Salt Lake City, UT

Succession is a political statement, not a plan. When bush won there were some who threatened to immigrate to Canada, etc. Most of the time the US would be better off if these people got their wish.

Claudio
Springville, Ut

Oh good grief.

Succession: events happening after each other; transfer of power; etc.
Secession: separating from a union (confederacy, federation, etc.).

What is so hard about vowels? That speaks more than any silly petition.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Excellent editorial. Well said. Thank you.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

You know what makes it even more childish is over the past 30 years Repbulicans/conservatives have pretty much had their way. Taxes have gone from 70% to 35%, passive income taxes have gone from 35% to 15%, Obamacare is a Heritage foundation idea, and we have fought three wars. Now with the simple suggestion that incomes over $250,000 pay an additional 3-4 percent, ruin has set in. Traditional America is destroyed..bla,bla,bla.

RichardB
Murray, UT

It's being used to get the White house to address issues.

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

When the Founding Fathers realized England had no interest in working with them for the good of England, they wrote, signed, and delivered the Declaration of Independence. When they signed it, they did so as the duly chosen representatives of the colonists, they knew the majority of the colonists supported them, and they knew it was an act of treason and they were risking their homes, their livelihoods, their families, and their lives.

The Founding Fathers are American patriots because they won and the United States were formed. But they were traitors to England.

Secession petitions are petitions to no longer be Americans. They are jokes or attention getters. They are serious business. And you should not sign one unless you really mean it. Anything else is indeed silly.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

I suspect that 99.9% of the people who sign secession petitions are just trying to make a statement. If that's all it is, it's a legitimate exercise of their 1st Amendment rights to freedom of expression, if not a particularly intelligent exercise. Most of them will be back to vote in the next election.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

I think the left is entirely missing the point on this issue! We are already seeing a succession in America. Its the innovators, the investors, the taxpayers and the capitol risk takers backing away, hunkering down and going into a survival mode; thus a succession from Obamacare, Obamaclaus entitlements and federal government mandates which we have no hope of paying for! The declining stock market is one barometer of this massive succession, but there will be many others! The states where this is talked about have no intention of leaving the union, they are just trying to survive Obama for 4 more years by succeeding from Obama's takeover of private property (massive taxes), state's rights and freedom!

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

Sorry - my previous comment should say "not a joke."

If there are issues you would like the government to address, petition for those issues to be addressed. Petitioning for secession is petitioning to forfeit your citizenship.

Twin Lights
Louisville, KY

Mountanman,

I think that you are right. For MOST of the signers, this is a political protest and not a serious bid for secession.

But secession is serious business and not something to be trifled with. If folks want to protest, scream, and shout - they should. If they want to try again next election and maybe even run themselves - they should. But unconstitutional acts are not the way to save the constitution.

If we do in fact love the constitution, then we must stay within its bounds in order to preserve. There is no other avenue. Doing things outside of the constitution inherently damage our republic and the respect we should all have for the document that created it.

William Gronberg
Payson, UT

The most important statements were made by the voters of the United States of America.

Wonder
Provo, UT

@Mountanman -- Call it what you want. Rationalize all you want. But truth to tell, signing such a petition is unpatriotic, or at best, extremely childish. Keep up the stunts and crazy rhetoric and then wonder why many people are afraid to vote Republican. Actually trying to start a civil war is one of those things most people think is nuts. Add that to legitimate rape, doubts about science, the absolute surety that only white people want to work, the absolute surety that people born in Hawaii are not US citizens, and on and on, and most people are just turned off.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

"At a time like this, we can't risk partisan bickering and political posturing. Our leaders have to reach across the aisle to do the people's work. And we citizens also have to rise to the occasion." and then Romney followed with the only reason people voted for Obama is because he offered them lavish giveaways. Hence why Romney is not president today.

"The declining stock market is one barometer of this massive succession,"

ummm - under Obama the stock market rose from the Bush low of 6,600 to over 12,000... in 4 years. More selective cherry picking of facts to make some kind of politically motivated rhetoric. The markets performance is a documented fact - you can't selectively say this week it is Obama's fault because it is down, but the over trend doubling in value in 4 years - he gets no credit for that.

This just points to the fact this is just all emotionally driven talking points. Obama hasn't done everything perfect. Hardly. But until we get conversations back to rational adult levels, we will continue to see this over the top media driven hyperbolic pattern of behavior.

Stocks are up 162 today so far... meaning what?

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ Wm Gronberg: Voters in America voted for a continuation and increases of free stuff from the government! Those fewer in number of Americans who are faced with paying for it have been seriously disenfranchised. Even worse, Obama ran on a "balance approach of cutting spending and higher taxes" to solving our massive deficit and national debt. Now that he has been re-elected, all talk of cutting spending have vanished and now the people who already pay nearly 80% of all federal income taxes are faced with the impossible task of paying for it all! Even if Obama taxed the "rich" 100%, it would only temporarily bring in about $150 billion/for the first year. Not even considering any of the other entitlements Obama wants to give away, Obamacare alone is forecast to cost taxpayers $1.2 trillion/year! Anyone with a brain or a calculator can see that this is not going to work at all!

Midvaliean
MIDVALE, UT

yeah, let them protest. Nothing will come of this, other than putting your name on a list for the NSA/CIA to look at. HEre is a list of potential domestic terrorists is what they will see. Thank your local representative that gave powers for the patriot act when this happens.

hurleyscope
rockledge, FL

this movement is NOT about the election. It is about the executive orders giving our US sovereignty to the UN, It's about NDAA, TSA... carbon taxes, the federal reserve, federal raids on american factories who aren't sending their jobs to china. ( see GIBSON GUITAR).

It is short sighted and petty to believe this movement is a bunch of sore losers. I knew MY candidate didn't stand a chance. I was ready to amass an independence movement when I realized the press was having a difficult time differentiating the stands of the two major candidates.
At what point will you get angry? When they come to take YOUR kid away because he is too outspoken about his contempt for NDAA allowing the army to arrest people without warrant or charge, to be held indefinitely, possibly forever?
We now have amerikan troops patrolling our streets, illegally.
Your fourth amendment is gone, your FIRST amendment is gone.

Anti Bush-Obama
Washington, DC

Ranchhand

"Its not just silly, its unpatriotic."

I guess the whole revolutionary war was unpatriotic seeing as how we seceeded from the British.

Anti Bush-Obama
Washington, DC

Hurleyscope @ 9;50 am hit the nail right on the head. Listen to what he is saying and not the race baiting mass media. I would've wanted to seceed even if Romney won. The real reason for secession is the TSA,NDAA,taxation,war,patriot act,war on drugs, and globalism.

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