Published: Monday, Nov. 19 2012 12:00 a.m. MST
Clearly, we have a huge mess. What better suggestion do you have to offer? I am
not in favor of succession, but it is a legal way of registering a protest, and
is not indicative of adolescent behavior. Are you a sore winner?
Its not just silly, its unpatriotic.So much for the
Republican's claim to being the patriots.
Succession is a political statement, not a plan. When bush won there were some
who threatened to immigrate to Canada, etc. Most of the time the US would be
better off if these people got their wish.
Oh good grief.Succession: events happening after each other;
transfer of power; etc.Secession: separating from a union (confederacy,
federation, etc.).What is so hard about vowels? That speaks more
than any silly petition.
Excellent editorial. Well said. Thank you.
You know what makes it even more childish is over the past 30 years
Repbulicans/conservatives have pretty much had their way. Taxes have gone from
70% to 35%, passive income taxes have gone from 35% to 15%, Obamacare is a
Heritage foundation idea, and we have fought three wars. Now with the simple
suggestion that incomes over $250,000 pay an additional 3-4 percent, ruin has
set in. Traditional America is destroyed..bla,bla,bla.
It's being used to get the White house to address issues.
When the Founding Fathers realized England had no interest in working with them
for the good of England, they wrote, signed, and delivered the Declaration of
Independence. When they signed it, they did so as the duly chosen
representatives of the colonists, they knew the majority of the colonists
supported them, and they knew it was an act of treason and they were risking
their homes, their livelihoods, their families, and their lives. The
Founding Fathers are American patriots because they won and the United States
were formed. But they were traitors to England. Secession petitions
are petitions to no longer be Americans. They are jokes or attention getters.
They are serious business. And you should not sign one unless you really mean
it. Anything else is indeed silly.
I suspect that 99.9% of the people who sign secession petitions are just trying
to make a statement. If that's all it is, it's a legitimate exercise
of their 1st Amendment rights to freedom of expression, if not a particularly
intelligent exercise. Most of them will be back to vote in the next election.
I think the left is entirely missing the point on this issue! We are already
seeing a succession in America. Its the innovators, the investors, the taxpayers
and the capitol risk takers backing away, hunkering down and going into a
survival mode; thus a succession from Obamacare, Obamaclaus entitlements and
federal government mandates which we have no hope of paying for! The declining
stock market is one barometer of this massive succession, but there will be many
others! The states where this is talked about have no intention of leaving the
union, they are just trying to survive Obama for 4 more years by succeeding from
Obama's takeover of private property (massive taxes), state's rights
Sorry - my previous comment should say "not a joke."If there
are issues you would like the government to address, petition for those issues
to be addressed. Petitioning for secession is petitioning to forfeit your
Mountanman,I think that you are right. For MOST of the signers,
this is a political protest and not a serious bid for secession.But
secession is serious business and not something to be trifled with. If folks
want to protest, scream, and shout - they should. If they want to try again
next election and maybe even run themselves - they should. But unconstitutional
acts are not the way to save the constitution.If we do in fact love
the constitution, then we must stay within its bounds in order to preserve.
There is no other avenue. Doing things outside of the constitution inherently
damage our republic and the respect we should all have for the document that
The most important statements were made by the voters of the United States of
@Mountanman -- Call it what you want. Rationalize all you want. But truth to
tell, signing such a petition is unpatriotic, or at best, extremely childish.
Keep up the stunts and crazy rhetoric and then wonder why many people are afraid
to vote Republican. Actually trying to start a civil war is one of those things
most people think is nuts. Add that to legitimate rape, doubts about science,
the absolute surety that only white people want to work, the absolute surety
that people born in Hawaii are not US citizens, and on and on, and most people
are just turned off.
"At a time like this, we can't risk partisan bickering and political
posturing. Our leaders have to reach across the aisle to do the people's
work. And we citizens also have to rise to the occasion." and then Romney
followed with the only reason people voted for Obama is because he offered them
lavish giveaways. Hence why Romney is not president today."The
declining stock market is one barometer of this massive succession,"ummm - under Obama the stock market rose from the Bush low of 6,600 to
over 12,000... in 4 years. More selective cherry picking of facts to make some
kind of politically motivated rhetoric. The markets performance is a
documented fact - you can't selectively say this week it is Obama's
fault because it is down, but the over trend doubling in value in 4 years - he
gets no credit for that.This just points to the fact this is just
all emotionally driven talking points. Obama hasn't done everything
perfect. Hardly. But until we get conversations back to rational adult levels,
we will continue to see this over the top media driven hyperbolic pattern of
behavior. Stocks are up 162 today so far... meaning what?
@ Wm Gronberg: Voters in America voted for a continuation and increases of free
stuff from the government! Those fewer in number of Americans who are faced with
paying for it have been seriously disenfranchised. Even worse, Obama ran on a
"balance approach of cutting spending and higher taxes" to solving our
massive deficit and national debt. Now that he has been re-elected, all talk of
cutting spending have vanished and now the people who already pay nearly 80% of
all federal income taxes are faced with the impossible task of paying for it
all! Even if Obama taxed the "rich" 100%, it would only temporarily
bring in about $150 billion/for the first year. Not even considering any of the
other entitlements Obama wants to give away, Obamacare alone is forecast to cost
taxpayers $1.2 trillion/year! Anyone with a brain or a calculator can see that
this is not going to work at all!
yeah, let them protest. Nothing will come of this, other than putting your name
on a list for the NSA/CIA to look at. HEre is a list of potential domestic
terrorists is what they will see. Thank your local representative that gave
powers for the patriot act when this happens.
this movement is NOT about the election. It is about the executive orders
giving our US sovereignty to the UN, It's about NDAA, TSA... carbon
taxes, the federal reserve, federal raids on american factories who aren't
sending their jobs to china. ( see GIBSON GUITAR).It is short
sighted and petty to believe this movement is a bunch of sore losers. I knew MY
candidate didn't stand a chance. I was ready to amass an independence
movement when I realized the press was having a difficult time differentiating
the stands of the two major candidates.At what point will you get angry?
When they come to take YOUR kid away because he is too outspoken about his
contempt for NDAA allowing the army to arrest people without warrant or charge,
to be held indefinitely, possibly forever?We now have amerikan troops
patrolling our streets, illegally. Your fourth amendment is gone, your
FIRST amendment is gone.
Ranchhand"Its not just silly, its unpatriotic."I
guess the whole revolutionary war was unpatriotic seeing as how we seceeded from
Hurleyscope @ 9;50 am hit the nail right on the head. Listen to what he is
saying and not the race baiting mass media. I would've wanted to seceed
even if Romney won. The real reason for secession is the
TSA,NDAA,taxation,war,patriot act,war on drugs, and globalism.
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