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Twinkies likely to survive sale of Hostess

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  • rnoble Pendleton, OR
    Nov. 20, 2012 1:23 p.m.

    All my "snack cake" purchases are made on price alone so Hostess usually loses to the Little Debbie equivalent.

    I have opinions about unions in general and this union in particular. 1) Got the job on my merits; could have kept the job on same but "the union" required that I join-- 2) Existing employees protected their own benefits by agreeing to inferior conditions for new hires; "class" conflict-- 3) Union agreed to individual pain when revenue could not continue group benefits at same levels allowing for lay-offs instead of a general reduction among all employees--demonstrating that staffing levels in negotiation had been based on lies and proving that unions really aren't unions at all.

    If management and unions would act honorably in distribution of income so that labor, management, and stockholders all had appropriate shares related to productivity, then the business involved would continue indefinitely. That means all three groups participate in the bad just like the good. This type of relationship requires no single group to stockpile resources and provides for individual asset allocation in preparation for any bad times. It also encourages direct recognition of productivity.

  • Article-Reader Spanish Fork, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 11:19 a.m.

    Where LDS Liberal sees jobs, I see money being wasted. Business owners, and product inventors have every right to line their pockets. It is their hard work that created those businesses, and now its time that they get paid. Getting paid when you OWN the business is NOT Vulture Capitalism. It is Unions requiring overpayment into 40 different types of pensions and benefit policies isn't creating jobs. It's creating confusion, its wasting money, and now. . . it is KILLING jobs.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 11:08 a.m.

    John, it was a joke? Don't ever try stand up, dude. And no GM was not nationalized, no matter what you would call it. And neither was Citigroup. Perhaps you would care to read up on what nationalization is, and also learn what happened with GM and Citigroup.

    It's just twinkies you say? No, it is a continuation of attacks on labor and President Obama by conservatives. You think it is funny that labor is made the scapegoat for the actions and mismanagement of vulture capitalists and management? I don't.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Nov. 20, 2012 10:22 a.m.

    Over a hundred fifty thousand lay offs since the elections, and much more to come.

    Maybe a government take over of twinkies is in order.

    May liberal friends get what they voted for.

  • ruraljohnboy Duchesne, UT
    Nov. 20, 2012 7:05 a.m.

    @Mark--It was a joke. I would call what President Obama did with GM " nationalization." And his actions with Citigroup are at least partial nationalization. But really, Mark, it's Twinkies! Lighten up :-)

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 5:00 p.m.

    Ruraljohnboy, can you name for us one industry that President Obama has nationalized? And, no, he did not nationalize the auto industry. So why would you think he would nationalize the bakery industry?

    Article-Reader you said, "Americans must realize that foreign cars are cheaper . . ."

    Where in the world are you getting the idea that foreign cars are cheaper then domestic? I mean that's funny.

    John20000, you would rather negotiate without the union? You really think a company the size of Hostess would have negotiated with individual bakers? It would never happen. Their "negotiation" with you would consist of them telling you what they would pay you. End of negotiation.

    ". . . Union work rules usually required cake and bread products to be delivered to a single retail location using two separate trucks. Drivers weren't allowed to load their own vehicles, and the workers who loaded bread weren't allowed to load cake. On most delivery routes, another "pull up" employee moved products from back rooms to shelves."

    "Rational", you make it sound like this is unreasonable. I used to work in a warehouse in my youth (very efficient, successful, non-union warehouse) This is basically how we ran things.

  • John20000 Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 3:38 p.m.

    If I was a manager at Hostess (going through bankruptcy), they would have to increase my pay for me to stick around. Managers can leave with two weeks notice. They can take another job. Why would they want to stick around a failing company? Of course, they were given raises. How else is HR suppose to fill those positions?

    If I was a unionized baker, I would feel trapped by my union's bargaining. I would want to negotiate my services without the union's overhead and ultimately keep baking stuff.

    The real failure is not being able to produce baked goods at a price people would buy them. Who is to blame? Everyone in the company contributed to this failure.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 12:17 p.m.

    Rational
    Salt Lake City, UT

    "...Union work rules usually required cake and bread products to be delivered to a single retail location using two separate trucks. Drivers weren't allowed to load their own vehicles, and the workers who loaded bread weren't allowed to load cake. On most delivery routes, another "pull up" employee moved products from back rooms to shelves.

    7:44 a.m. Nov. 19, 2012

    ===============

    In other words --
    Union work rules created JOBS.

    Inefficient IMHO, but created JOBS none-the-less.
    You can't argue that fact.

    meanwhile --
    A Corporations still making a huge profit will leave us with;
    Corporate exec's getting $ millions
    Venture Capitalists will be getting $ Billions
    and those workers making $10 - $12 an hour will now be unemployed while losing their retirement, adding to our national deficiet,
    Meanwhle -- those greedy 1% will bank in off-shore bank accounts.

  • deseret pete robertson, Wy
    Nov. 19, 2012 12:10 p.m.

    Let the union buy them out.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 11:15 a.m.

    This has little to do with Unions - where were simply trying to save their retirement pensions

    and everything to do with venture/Vulture CAPITALISTS --
    Who will over-pay the executives to cave and give into their demands,
    then bankrupt the company (in name only),
    and who will come out on the other side of bankrupcy debt free,
    by cutting and gutting the actual workers who end up LOOSING their entire life-long pensions.

    I like business,
    I dis-like greedy, cut-throat business men who make $ Billions for doing nothing more than buy and sell company names at the expense of the workers who actually PRODUCE something.

  • OnlyInUtah Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 11:02 a.m.

    Another example of poor management and Labor Union decisions combining to hurt the people they are supposed to be looking after.

  • Article-Reader Spanish Fork, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 10:10 a.m.

    As an avid twinkie devourer I must my two cents. First of all, those backing the unions in this debate, go ahead, keep backing the unions. Maybe soon you can form an "Unemployed Union" and President Obama will allow members of the UU to collectively bargain for better unemployment benefits. Keep dreaming. Second, those backing the owners, get off your high horse and realize that there is plenty of blame to go around in this. Hostess allowed the unions to have their way back in the heyday, and now they are paying for it. Owners can not have the mindset that their product will always be in demand. Ever hear of "Little Debbie", well, it's soon to have a name change to "Big Debbie" as she'll be the only one selling snack cakes.
    Hostess allowed the fat cat unions to have too much control, now we're all suffering. Much like the UAW is trying as hard as they can to bankrupt Detroit, Americans must realize that foreign cars are cheaper because the people making them pay for their own retirement, rather than their retirement being paid for by an $$ add-on to each car's price.

  • Wasatch Al South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 8:50 a.m.

    Don't worry. Obama will save Twinkies. I hear Michelle loves them!

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    Nov. 19, 2012 8:13 a.m.

    I was amused to see all the Hostess products fly off the grocery store shelves within hours of this news hitting the airwaves.

    Don't panic, people. Twinkies, Ding Dongs and HO-HOs brands are far too valuable. Someone will buy up these brands, and the recipes, and continue to put out this product.

    Of course, I wish they would go back to the old lard-laden recipes, yum. But then I live in Texas, home of the deep fried snack cake........

  • ruraljohnboy Duchesne, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 7:58 a.m.

    I'm waiting for President Obama to step in, name a Ding Dong czar, and nationalize the Twinkie industry.

  • SL Rexburg, ID
    Nov. 19, 2012 7:51 a.m.

    These "treats" symbolize all that is wrong with the American diet and food production system. I'm sorry for the loss of jobs, but good riddance to this "food."

  • Midwest Mom Soldiers Grove, WI
    Nov. 19, 2012 7:44 a.m.

    Tom and BYUalum appear to approve of the trend; full-time, ever-declining, poverty-wage jobs as the wave of the future for American workers. If there is a class war going on, it's not coming from those at the bottom of the pay scale. They're too busy trying to survive.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 7:44 a.m.

    rvalens2, the Union negotiator for Hostess unions makes $254,000 a year. How does that fit in your analysis.

    From the Wall Street Journal, "The Twinkie, a Suicide"

    Hostess's 372 collective-bargaining agreements required the company to maintain 80 different health and benefit plans, 40 pension plans and mandated a $31 million increase in wages and health care and other benefits for 2012.

    Union work rules usually required cake and bread products to be delivered to a single retail location using two separate trucks. Drivers weren't allowed to load their own vehicles, and the workers who loaded bread weren't allowed to load cake. On most delivery routes, another "pull up" employee moved products from back rooms to shelves.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 5:58 a.m.

    Tom, Sad but true!

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    Nov. 19, 2012 3:57 a.m.

    I doubt this was preplanned because the company has been struggling for years to keep its customer base and loyal consumers. The craze is some trying to take advantage of others who like them has bought out all the shelf supplies in hopes of making a buck on out dated and spoiled leftover bricks.

    I wondered how long they would last, since they changed their recipes for all their products and all taste like congealed bricks of Canola and Corn oils it has been their downfall and why they can't pay their employees or suppliers anymore. They tried to sucker their employees to work for half pay poverty but they didn't fall for it this time.

    Go Unions, and if American's don't organize they will never have more than what they have now. Disorganization and socializing workers is what destroys a nations wealth and power, and the living of today are the witnesses of our destruction.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Nov. 18, 2012 10:52 p.m.

    Its all part of the fallout of Obama economics and job creation. Get used to it, there will be a lot more to follow. This country deserves what it will get, and it won't be too good.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    Nov. 18, 2012 9:00 p.m.

    Massive pay raises for executives even as the company is on the downward spiral?

    "Hmm ... I guess we better get all we can before we close the doors." Hostess Executives

    Preplanned? It sure looks that way.