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Published: Sunday, Nov. 18 2012 12:00 a.m. MST

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American Fork, UT

Sour grapes much? I agree we need to get the election process out of the clockwork machine age, but it's been a long time since we've had a 'fair' election. Remember hanging chads? The mess that got us into?

Eugene, OR

Doesn't the DN require that its' letters have at least a shred of proof behind them before they're published?

Keep spinning all the conspiracy theories you like, but it doesn't change the facts. Obama won, and Romney lost. Get over it.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Doug says: “If these things go unchallenged, we may have had our last, reasonably fair election.”

My question for Doug is: When was that last reasonable fair election?

If we limit the choices to the federal government elections, was it before the time of redistricting by the party in power to provide an edge for their candidate? Was it before the corporations dominated state and local governments?

Perhaps Doug is using the conservative republican definition of the word fair. That’s the one that defines fair election as being one in which the conservative republican wins.

Bronx, NY

your list is a nice list of conspiracies where is the actual evidence that these things happened? The far right seems to have a problem unerstanind that claiming something specific happened is not the same as proof that it happened.

Mark B
Eureka, CA

I don't know where Doug's information comes from, but, if proven to be true, he would have the scoop of the year, and everyone from Mitt to the RNC to Karl Rove to John McCain, Sarah Palin and Jason Chaffetz would be screaming about it every day. I don't hear them, and would instead remind Doug that Obama got over 60 MORE electoral votes than he needed to win the election.

salt lake, UT

nice list of general accusations doug. the same list that appears after every election and the same list that is always disproved by investigations into the supposed fraud. there have been less then 10 cases of fraud (less then ten votes total) proven over the past four election cycles. Now if you have some specific evidence that proves any of your claims then lets see it.

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

Wo what Doug is alleging is the following:

In Ohio, there were at least 103,481 fraudulent votes
In Florida, there were at least 73,189 fraudulent votes
In Colorado, there were at least 113,019 fraudulent votes
In Virginia, there were at least 115,910 fraudulent votes
In Wisconsin, there were at least 205,264 fraudulent votes

and just for fun, in California, there were 2,291,707 fraudulent votes

That's quite a conspiracy. In all my readings about "fraudulent activity" during this "unfair" election, I haven't come across this many anecdotes.

Orem, UT

Soooooooooo in Doug's view, Mitt Romney really, in fact, did win the election?


A few cases of voter fraud is always going to be the case. There has never been a 100 percent clean and pure election.

But to consider it really much of an issue would have to take maybe over 3 million cases of voter fraud to tip the scales in Mitt's favor. Then Doug might have a point.

But a few cases of voter fraud is to be expected. We are, after all, all humans.

one old man
Ogden, UT

What voter fraud?

Not even Fox News nor any of the radio talk show nuts have made any such claims.

May we see some solid evidence to back your wildly untruthful claims?


Dear DN,

If I write a letter about the little green people that flew here from Mars and voted for Obama, will you publish that too?


Most States that had voting issues were red States where Republicans purposely changed the rules. Shorter poll hours, less early voter time and restrictive (and overturned by the courts) voter id laws. All put in place by Republicans. Still, the peoples choice won. Please turn off FOX news and get out more.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

The facts never got in Romney's way either. There is a segment wrapped up in media frenzy, denial and religious fervor that actually will never accept the election fact that it was a clear, convincing total loss.


There were also reports of vote flipping from Obama to Romney, reports of a Republican voting in two different precincts, reports of Democratic voter registrations destroyed or changed by Republicans, the Ohio Sec. of State defying court orders and the list goes on....

I share your concern about the integrity of our elections. Irregularities and fraud should be investigated. According to Stephen Spoonamore, cyber-security expert, (and Republican) says all voting should be done using paper ballots. No voting should be done without a paper trail. He believes voting machines are too susceptible to tampering and no corporation should be involved in the voting process.

Murray, UT

There were many instances of voter fraud. Most was ignored by the print media. 59 Philadelphia voting divisions had no votes for Romney, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer. And over 500 complaints were made over the votes by people trying to vote. Some were getting error messages when a vote for Romey was cast, some voted for Romney and Obama was given the vote.

Lots of complaints about more votes than people registered in several states.

In a county in Florida 175,500 residents were registered to vote. But when results came in that night, officials counted more than 247,383 votes. voters had submitted their long ballots on two separate voting cards. Each card had been counted once, meaning many of the votes were double counted.

After 2000, it's time we demand voter id laws nationally. If the media had reported all the complaints, would there have been rioting in the streets? People didn't believe Watergate either. They said it was the work of conspiracy nuts.

Danite Boy

The Deseret News does a great disservice to our country and to civil discourse by printing a letter that propogates this kind of unsupported falsehood. The Columbus Dispatch ran an article today listing the actual statistics for the Wood County, Ohio, the county that some of the right-wing websites or emails chains allege had more votes for Obama than registered voters. There were actually 61,967 ballots cast in Wood county, 31,596 of them for President Obama, and 28,997 for Mitt Romney.

Saint George, UT

Voter fraud was rampant... everywhere...

I looked it up on Drudge as well as other R-wing blogs.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

"In a county in Florida 175,500 residents were registered to vote. But when results came in that night, officials counted more than 247,383 votes. voters had submitted their long ballots on two separate voting cards. Each card had been counted once, meaning many of the votes were double counted."

Ha ha ha, seriously? This lil weird conspiracy theory was destroyed a good week ago. Of course, your conservative blog must have forgotten to mention the outcome.

Each voting had 2 pages, one for the Presidential election the 2nd for the local stuff. In many places, these ballots were counted as twice hence resulting in the 175k residents and 247k votes. The problem has since been corrected and it wouldn't have changed the election outcome. Romney would still have lost. Sorry!

Oakley, UT

To respond to comments made about my letter... Our last fair election was before computers, with votes on paoper and there to be counted, re-counted, and verified. A programmer has testified on how easy it is to program a computer to tally false information.
ln the city of Philidelphia, there were 60K plus votes tallied for Obama, 0 for Romney.. does that ring true? Of course, the GOP poll workers were evicted from their jobs and PA has no voter ID requirement...



From the Philadelphia Inquirer:

"Still, was there not one contrarian voter in those 59 divisions, where unofficial vote tallies have President Obama outscoring Romney by a combined 19,605 to 0?

The unanimous support for Obama in these Philadelphia neighborhoods - clustered in almost exclusively black sections of West and North Philadelphia - fertilizes fears of fraud, despite little hard evidence.

Larry Sabato, a political scientist at the University of Virginia who has studied African American precincts, said he had occasionally seen 100 percent of the vote go for the Democratic candidate. Chicago and Atlanta each had precincts that registered no votes for Republican Sen. John McCain in 2008.

"I'd be surprised if there weren't a handful of precincts that didn't cast a vote for Romney," he said. But the number of zero precincts in Philadelphia deserves examination, Sabato added.

"Not a single vote for Romney or even an error? That's worth looking into," he said.

The absence of a voter-ID law, however, would not stop anyone from voting for a Republican candidate."

CHS 85
Sandy, UT

Well, I'm going to allege voter fraud in Madison County, Idaho. Mind you, I have no acual proof, but how can a county that cast over 14,500 votes on have 5.3% vote for President Obama? Does that make sense to you? How about Piute County, Utah that only cast 74 votes for President Obama? There must be something nefarius going on there. After all, if you can't win, just claim the other side cheated - hundreds of thousands of times.

Oh, and nothing fishy happens with paper ballots? Are you serious?

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