Published: Sunday, Nov. 18 2012 12:00 a.m. MST
Wow, can you say double standard!
When we forget the past, we are doomed to relive it. Nations, in the Americas,
have disappeared when they rejected law. We have their histories. We know
their outcome.We have laws to protect the citizens and those who
hope to become citizens. Keeping those laws protects everyone. Selling
integrity for a vote shows contempt for the law and for the people who are used
as pawns to get office for that candidate.Republicans respect the
law. Republicans respect citizens and those who hope to become citizens. Those
who reject law may feel more comfortable in another political party.
The problem is "how do you put hatred back into the bag?" Once
you've allowed the narrative to spill out that you despise a large segment
of society, how to convince the nation that "we were just kidding"? If
that is the route the Republican Party wants to take (and there is still great
doubt about that), then there must be wholesale changes in leadership.
Probably easier to close it down and start the Hannity-Limbaugh-remains of tea
party radical conservative party. The new Independent party can lose the
It is impossible to honestly appeal to a split community. There are Hispanic
people who support legal immigration and those who support illegal immigration.
Which group do you suppose is voting Republican?Perhaps the
increasing percentage of Hispanics voting Democratic reflects the influx of
'undocumented immigrants' who illegally vote, and their US-born
children who legally vote.
@Moderate:"The problem is 'how do you put hatred back into the
bag?'"It's not hatred. What it is is, obedience to
the laws of the land... specifically immigration laws. A country without
immigration laws, or who refuses to enforce immigration laws is no country at
all."Once you've allowed the narrative to spill out that
you despise a large segment of society..."Those people are not
despised... any more than any other law breaker is despised. Immigrants who do
it right and come here legally are not despised but loved and accepted."If that is the route the Republican Party wants to take... then there
must be wholesale changes in leadership."The change will come as
Hispanics continue to flood into this country when they recognize they will not
be tossed out but will be given amnesty and citizenship. The change from
English as the language of the US to Spanish.
Republicans don't understand that it's not just some legal matter to
many Hispanics. When you say you oppose "illegal
immigration" and no citizenship for babies born here you are talking about
their own beloved family members being sent out of the US in many cases to
countries they have no memory of or have never been to. Just banish them to the
wilderness?? Sounds like the Christian thing to do...Can we send
YOUR mother to mexico if I pass a law that says so? Hey, not just your mother,
10 or twenty of your closest family and friends?It's the law,
sorry buddy. We have to follow the law.And if you don't want to
forget history you may want to read up of the Treaty of Guadalupe and how we
forced Mexico to sell half it's country at gunpoint. "the halls of
Montezuma". President Polk wanted the whole country of Mexico...There's
no statute of limitations on stealing continents BTW, but were lucky Mexico has
been so forgiving about it. We could be fighting like Israel and Palestine.
Always the black and white.Look. I get it. Someone sneaks across
the border today to pick lettuce? Catch them and haul them back. I can
understand that.Now, lets look at reality.18 year old
guy comes across the border in 1980 to pick lettuce. Over time, buys a house
and cars. Maybe starts a business. Brings his girlfriend to the US. Starts a
family.So, now the guy is 50 years old, with extended family all
around.And the GOP wants him to either "self-deport" or
label him as a criminal.Can you honestly say that the reasonable
solution is to deport this person and family?One size DOES NOT fit
JUST Hispanics?What about women, the elderly, small business owners,
middle-sized business owners, students, retirees, single parents, lower-class,
middle-class, much of the so-called upper-class, gays, people with pre-existing
medical conditions....Gaining the trust of JUST the Hispanic
demographic is woefully short-sighted.
JoeBlow, he would of been eligible for the 1986 amnesty. I know many
people that have had to pull up roots and move elsewhere in this economy.
"he would of been eligible for the 1986 amnesty"Yes. The
Amnesty signed by Ronald Reagan which affected millions.Reagan would
not be welcome today in the GOP.
"Reagan would not be welcome today in the GOP"The bill was
bi-partisan. Reagan admitted it was a big mistake in his memoirs. He signed it
for the enforcement part of the bill. The one that was never enforced. America
is still waiting for it and the 1996 promises. 300,000 that became
almost 3 million taught us a lesson. Never again. He learned his
lesson, and would never sign another one. He would be more than welcome, as he
could tell us what went wrong and why we should avoid the same mistake.
They should open a branch office in Mexico City and send to Romney for more
I have no problem with someone who wants to work and take care of their
family.We are a nation of immigrants; the solution is to make it quicker,
and easier to obtain citizenship.Mexicans are not the cause of all the
problems in this country.They did not force people to buy bigger homes
then they could afford, and the bankers to give these people loans.They
did not cause the price of oil and gasoline to go up.They did not start
two unfunded wars in the middle east.Mexicans are used as scapegoats by
republicans to distract us from the real issues.The way republicans talk
the biggest problem in this country is illegal immigrationI disagree
@RichardB -- No, Reagan would not be welcome. He raised taxes when he had to
(several times). That would never fly with the tea party fanatics today.
Today's Rs would not add $1 of taxes to reduce the deficit even if they
could get $10 worth of spending cuts in return. It's 100% of what they
want or nothing. So, no, Reagan's compromises would be totally
unacceptable today. Don't kid yourself.
Wonder, I was talking about Reagan and amnesty???
Today's Republicans would listen to a Republican who had 1. given amnesty
to "illegals" and 2. raised taxes numerous times? Whatever you say.
"For decades, Hispanic leaders have warned of the consequences of rejecting
the legitimacy of the children and parents who have come to reside, work and
contribute..."America accepts those who come here through the
proper application of immigration law. America rejects those who don't."After the election, the Republicans... are still hesitant to allow
the injection of life-saving, strength-giving transfusion — immigration
simplification, amnesty...Reagan tried that in 1986 and what did it
get us? Floods of more illegal immigrants looking for the same."We oppose illegal immigration and all forms of amnesty, or legal status,
for illegal immigrants."We support legal immigration and
immigrants who value and adhere to our laws."We support
suspending automatic U.S. citizenship to children born to illegal immigrant
parents..."Bring forth your 'illegal' children. Fill
out the proper papers... and get in line. Stop hiding in the bushes."And it came as a surprise that Latinos didn't feel the love from the
Republican Party?"How can you be loved when you support
disregarding our national laws? A nation whose immigration laws are ignored
ceases to be a sovereign nation.
The problem is not a lack of love on the part of Republicans toward Latinos. The
problem, instead, if we are to believe Ms. Quesada, is a lack of love on the
part of many Latinos for the United States. The utter contempt for this nation,
its sovereignty, its constitution, its borders and its laws, on the part of Ms.
Quesada and apparently many others, is unmistakable. Ms. Quesada
speaks of the American Dream. She understands nothing concerning it. The
fruits of this nation -- which she and others like her and illegal aliens enjoy
so much, and feel entitled to -- do not exist independent of those principles.
Instead they are the result of FIDELITY to those principles. Prominent among
these principles is respect for the rule of law.The problem is not
Republicans. The problem instead is the flagrantly anti-American assertion that
the United States should surrender its values -- indeed its very sovereignty --
for the so-called "Latino vote." Doing so would undermine the unity,
integrity, and well-being of the nation.The solution is for the
Latino culture in America to assimilate to American culture -- by wholeheartedly
adopting the principles and values upon which this nation was built.
Just curious about how many of the Latino's voters this year were actually
"legal" to vote?Sorry, but I think anyone that violates the
laws of the land should be punished, wheather it robbing a bank or coming into
our country illegally...
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