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Published: Friday, Nov. 16 2012 12:00 a.m. MST

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The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

I thought speaking ill of a President during wartime was treasonous? At least, that's what folks like Don were telling me just a few years back. Ha ha ha!

If unity was really Don's priority then Obama was clearly the best option! Mitt Romney lost the popular vote so even fewer people liked him!

If unity was a priority for Don, why did he vote for Bush for 2 terms? I can't think of a more offensive and divisive President in recent times. So Bush was really defending us against Iraq? Because Iraq had such a great military and couldn't wait to bomb Pearl Harbor or something???

How do you know that Obamacare isn't God-inspired?

It was created by conservatives (Heritage Foundation), sponsored by repubs (Orrin Hatch), and implemented into law by a repub governor (Mitt Romney).

Sounds to me that repubs might need to come to the realization that their baby (Obamacare) might be God-inspired. They were the ones that came up with it. Obama just signed it into law. But it was repubs who created it.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

"Obama has split the Nation"

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It is the talk show hosts who have done that, and his being black has made their efforts more successful.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Obviously, history all depends on where you are standing at the time, and the color of the lens in your glasses.

Hate is like writing on a persons character with an indelible pencil. And it seems like it has always been the preferred political weapon of the conservative group. However since the best defense against hate is thought to be hate itself, it’s use is not confined to conservatives.

President Obama’s policies are not much different than if he has been a republican president. Obamacare was mainly a republican creation. It and other policies favored business interests more than people. Faced with inadequate ammunition from his polices, republicans and conservatives had to fall back onto their main weapon of hate.

So, President Obama was branded by such things as socialist, communist, tyrant, anti-god, and all sort of other terrible attributes of a boogie man. But underneath all the smoke, was the indelible writing from the previous times.

Henderson
Orem, UT

I don't think Don and the rest of his ilk are recognizing the real problem.

Stop ignoring the elephant in the room.

Your ideals just aren't popular anymore.

How many more elections do you folks need to lose?

Midvaliean
MIDVALE, UT

Every election in the last few decades comes down to 10%. This is no different.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

Ok liberals, so far you claim that Obama is not a divider.

If Obama is so wonderful, and everything is the fault of the Republicans, explain the following articles that all point to Obama as the polarizing figure:

"Obama: The most polarizing president. Ever. " Washington Post

"Gallup: Views of Obama are polarized" USA Today

"Obama bemoans polarized politics, then adds to it" Washington Post

"Obama Presidency Still Polarizing, Bipartisanship Still Dead" Outside the beltway

"Obama's Approval Ratings More Polarized in Year 2 Than Year 1" Gallup

If Obama is such a uniter, why do the polls all point to him being a polarizing figure?

Henderson
Orem, UT

Enjoy the next 4 years Don!

The world is a wonderful and beautiful place.

I suggest you go outside and get rid of your cranky mood.

Salsa Libre
Provo, UT

Christian 24-7 Murray, UT

If you only understood politics. Partisan division is not new.

" . . . divide and conquer has been effective, of course having the backing of most the media has helped."

Ever listen to Fox News and conservative radio talking heads?

The best strategy is to attack one's political opponent for the same things you are doing but frame it in such a way that they are the "bad ones". And if that doesn't work, make something up. Do you ever wonder why the comments you make here only resonate with like-minded believers? You say it's the "blind Obama worship", the 47% moocher class, and if anyone had half a brain they would accept your position. Do you not see the illogic in writing off half the population and then blaming the oppositon as dividers?

We could have a discussion on the failings and faults of both sides in this political drama, but the rigid thinking of movement conservatives will not acknowledge that they may also be at fault. They prefer to simply block out any discussion with the self-rightous attitude that they are right and everyone else is wrong.

Ali'ikai 'A'amakualenalena
Provo, UT

RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT

"Ok liberals, so far you claim that Obama is not a divider.

"If Obama is so wonderful, and everything is the fault of the Republicans, explain the following articles that all point to Obama as the polarizing figure:

"Obama: The most polarizing president. Ever. " Washington Post

First let's get over the false doctrine that Democratic voters consider "everything is the fault of the Republicans". Such a statement is gross generalization and is insulting to any Democrat or Independent. Republicans can be blamed for a lot, particularly in the last four years, but to say "everything" is irrational.

As for Obama as a polarizing element in today's political world, it can be concluded that he has been the focus of polarizing forces, primarily the efforts of movement conservatives and wingnut extremists to demonize and identifiy him as "the other" and "not one of us".

Fox News and conservative radio had focused their efforts for the last four years solely on identifying Obama as the key figure around which they could develop sufficient opposition to defeat his presidency and keep him from winning a second term. In other words, they made him a "polarizing" individual.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

What would happen in America if the President used a vulgarisms that was so offensive that no father in America would ever utter that vulgarisms in front of his family? What would happen if that vulgarisms was addressed to a six year old girl who was the daughter of a nationally known reporter? Would the news media in a moderate sized market cover things up because that vulgarisms was too strong for their "market", or would that news media report that the President had used crass comments unbecoming a President of the United States.

Apparently, the news media in that moderate sized market would cover up the President's vulgarisms, even though that vulgarisms was printed world wide, rather than reporting the facts.

What happens when the news media abdicates its responsibility? We have a President who returns to power who never would have been elected if the news media did their job to accurately and completely inform its customers of the President's words.

The President has splintered us into a divided nation. His vulgarisms, if foreknown, would have prevented his reelection. The Deseret News failed to report his words.

What a shame.

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

To Counter Intelligence 9:38 a.m. Nov. 16, 2012

@Moderate
Did Democrats not want to make Bush a one term president also? So how is it that you are more of a victim of Republicans now?

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The difference is that the Democrats didn't try to do everything they could to make Bush fail (he did that all for himself). The Democrats tried to work with Bush for the good of the country. That's why we got the unfunded tax cuts, the unfunded invasion and occupation of Iraq, etc., etc., etc. The country would have been better off if they had worked harder to block Bush's excesses, but they went along with him instead.

Way of the Warrior
ANACORTES, WA

If the Republican Party continues on the course they are on, they will self destruct in only a matter of a few years.

wrz
Ogden, UT

@JoeBlow:

"Obama did champion a Republican Health Care Idea and put it into law (much as Mitt Romney did for Mass)"

Obama put government healthcare into federal law... Romney put it into state law. The Supreme court of the land tells us that the federal Constitution does not permit the federal governmnet to require healthcare insurance. The Constitution also tells us that the power and authority of the federal government is listed and limited and that all other power and authority not listed belongs to the state. Obama did wrong. Romney did right.

"And Yes Don, Obama has used "executive orders". (however, at a slower clip that any of his recent Republican counterparts.)"

Obama didn't even bother to use Executive Orders to give amnesty to illegal immigrants, which, buy the way, is a felony. He granted amnesty by simply sending a memo to the Department of Homeland Security.

"Consistency Don, that's all I ask for."

A president loyal to his oath of office is all we ask for.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"The Supreme court of the land tells us that the federal Constitution does not permit the federal governmnet to require healthcare insurance."

You may have missed it, but the Supreme court ruled that the health insurance mandate was constitutional.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"he Supreme court of the land tells us that the federal Constitution does not permit the federal governmnet to require healthcare insurance."

The Supreme court ruling that I saw was that the Insurance Mandate WAS constitutional.

Did you miss that.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

I am not really sure how old the author of this letter is.... but really? We don't remember people chaining themselves to the fences of the White House during the Bush Administration? Were those just really bad collective dreams we had watching the hearings about open coke cans or Monica Lewinski? Do we just pretend we don't remember how divided Carter made the nation with pulling out of the olympics or the "I can't drive 55" generation. Surely does the author think Obama has divided the nation more than during the Johnson and Nixon Vietnam era? Can we even recall Watergate, Iran Contra, Travelgate... or the numerous other "...gates".

If we really want to jump back into the way-back machine, how about the Teapot Dome scandal.

It is this type of over the top rhetoric - saying that this nation is more divided then it ever has been - even considering abolition, makes one wonder. I get you see what you want to see, but really, has our national memory become that bad?

Its either that or people really don't know our own history very well. I am afraid to pick either answer.

boxerdog915
Clearfield, UT

I am taking the next 4 years in stride and sitting back with a smile on my face to see how Obama voters (and our current government really) handle what they has in store and what their agendas really are. This country is extremely divided and whether people like it or not, leadership everything to do with that.

I think the next 4 years will be a lot of "I told you so"....

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

The re election of the president is the most hopeful sign of the existence of 'out of many, one'. The grapes are a little sour if you think you still deserve 'out of many, the one we want'. We've grown up since then.

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