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Published: Friday, Nov. 16 2012 12:00 a.m. MST

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JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

What it appears that Mr Crippen does not understand is that raising the debt ceiling allows the govt to pay for things previously purchased.

But, stick with your erroneous narrative, if that makes you feel better.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

Cell phones and food stamps..what a misinformed rant. The "Obama" cell phone, where did that come from? It came from a government program that gives certain low income people basic access to telecommunications. Where did this program come from..who started it..wait, wait drumroll..Roland Regan. Yup, it's a Roland Regan progam that has morphed over the decades from land line access to cell phones.

Bad mouthing food stamps who's use increased in the middle of the worst economic downturn in 70 years is just immoral. Especially when the downturn was caused by an internal failure of the very economy that is suppose to provide food and shelter.

Mike in Sandy
Sandy, UT

Seriously...I can't believe some of the letters that get published here.

Makes for lots of laughs though.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ Pragmatist. Roland Regan? Who is Roland Regan? If you meant Ronald Reagan, why are they not called Ronald Reagan phones instead of Obama phones? Ronald Reagan never, I repeat, never offered free phone for anyone! Come on man, stop lying to yourself!

Whatever
Springville, UT

Its scary that people actually believe stuff like this.

L White
Springville, UT

Can Mr. Obama really blame the House Republicans for his financial problems when he could not find a single friend in the Senate to support his budget. Are we to believe that all one-hundred Senators are complete simpletons because they would not vote for his budget?

The House is the only part of government that has kept us from bankruptcy. The House is the only part of government that seems to know anything abut economics. The House refuses to let Mr. Obama bully them into destroying this country.

If Mr. Obama wants change, maybe he should change his attitude. The only people who agree with him are those who want some "rich guy" to pay their way through life.

Let him rant. He's just proving that he cannot negotiate and that his budget has no merit. Wise people will ignore his tantrums.

Noodlekaboodle
Millcreek, UT

@Mountanman,Pragmatist
Try doing a little research, Regan did offer free phones to low income people. Why isn't it called a Regan phone? Because the republicans are trying to use it against Obama and it wouldn't look good for them to brand St. Regan as a guy who give away free stuff. It's called the LifeLine program. It was started in 1984, under the Regan administration. However, it's not paid directly with tax money. If you look at your phone bill and see the USF(universal service fund) fee that is where the money comes from. Initially the plan only covered land lines, but in 2008 the Bush administration extended the program to include cell phones due to the increase in their use and the decrease in landline use. All Obama did was have the FCC look into tighter regulation and an overhaul of the program due to a spike in costs after cell phones were approved for the program. All of this info is available if you search Obama Phone on the Snopes website.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

Keep it up, Republicans. This kind of bitterness and mendacity is ensuring future Democratic election victories.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Mountainman writes "Ronald Reagan never, I repeat, never offered free phone for anyone! Come on man, stop lying to yourself!"

Unless of course one takes the time to look into the "lifeline program" signed into law by Ronald Reagan.

one old man
Ogden, UT

What is most frightening about our country today is how many people, for whatever reason, make no attempt to learn the TRUTH before writing letters or starting to shout.

Doing so is nothing but sheer stupidity.

Unfortunately, stupidity seems to be highly contagious.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

The phones Ronald Reagan promoted to the poor had to be paid for by the recipients! Therefore, while they were accessed at a discount,they were not free! Do some research before you bloviate!

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

Just another example of a GOP program or idea that gets blasted the minute Obama touches it.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Obama has no friends in Washington. The Senate handed him his hat as they embarrassed him in front of the world when they told him that his budget wasn't worth even one vote. He publically denounced the Court. The House thumbed their collective nose at him.

So what does he do? He flies around the country telling us what fools we are for voting for our Representatives.

Some Democrats cheer him on. Did they go to school together? Did they listen to the same extremist professors? More importantly, do they realize that they are going to get the biggest tax increase of their lives if Congress lets him increase taxes by $1.6 trillion. Raising taxes on the rich will only raise raise taxes by a measely $60 billion a year. Go ahead. Cheer him on, but first open YOUR wallets. Get used to being poor.

Eric Samuelsen
Provo, UT

Mountanman
Sorry, but no. The free phone program is called Lifeline and was originated in 1984. And no, recipients do not pay for it, nor does the federal government. It's paid for by telecommunication companies; essentially it's a tax on them. So this letter is factually wrong, in addition to being insulting.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

Not raising the debt ceiling would've crashed us into another recession and the Republicans would've been squarely to blame for all the ensuing carnage if they didn't immediately reverse position and agree to raise the debt ceiling. No, doing what the letter writer suggests would've given Democrats the House.

@Mountanman
"If you meant Ronald Reagan, why are they not called Ronald Reagan phones instead of Obama phones? "

Obama is typically given the credit/blame for the auto bailout but that was started by Bush. Things aren't always ascribed to who started them. The reason they're called Obama phones is because this was a conservative attack directed at Obama to try and portray Democrats, and particularly black people, as lazy moochers. The fact that Reagan started it or that it turned into cell phones under Bush... well that's just an inconvenient detail that's ignored by those who want to use it as an attack on Obama. Then people pass along the incomplete information they were given.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ Eric Samuelson. I looked into what you said and you are correct! My apologies to everyone!

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

This letter is a perfect example of the class warfare being waged by the righties.

It's downright scary and not the kind of America I want.

Which is why I was so grateful that they were denied power! The majority of the people from this great country placed the hate, the rhetoric, and the class warfare from the right wing in the garbage.

Which is exactly where this letter deserves to be thrown into.

Pathetic.

Christian 24-7
Murray, UT

Mountanman, way to own up! We know that the libs would never do that.

By the way, Obama phones are the perfect Democratic plan, in that they follow the Demos' MO.

Take someone else's idea and someone else's money, and use it to buy votes for you guys.

Christian 24-7
Murray, UT

Noodlekaboodle quote:

"Regan did offer free phones to low income people. Why isn't it called a Regan phone? Because the republicans are trying to use it against Obama and it wouldn't look good for them to brand St. Regan as a guy who give away free stuff."

Really???? That makes no sense.

Now, for the sake of argument, I will just assume it was a Reagan program as you say.

Consider this:

Someone gave those people phones. Those people were told that the phones were from Obama.
Who would tell them that lie?

Not the republicans, because that lie would give Obama and democrats more votes.

Democrats? Yes, that makes sense. Democrats would benefit from telling that lie. They would win votes, many votes.

Is it so hard to see the truth?

silo
Sandy, UT

"Mountanman, way to own up! We know that the libs would never do that." Christian 24-7

What a pompous thing to say. When you present facts, regardless of your political leaning, you are never in need of 'owning up'.

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