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Published: Thursday, Nov. 15 2012 10:33 a.m. MST

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Mike in Sandy
Sandy, UT

Really? I would tend to be careful about any association with a precariously dishonest man like Romney.

rafinsure
Elk Grove/U.S.A., 00

I actually think Romney's candidacy hurt the LDS Church. He came off disingenuous since he had to seem more conservative than he really happens to be in the primaries to win his party's nomination, and then had to go back to the middle during the general election. Second, his comment about the "47%" made him look prideful. Third, his lack of willingness to release more tax returns made him seem secretive and cultish. Finally, Romney's aides ran around behind him having to change or clarify statements that he made in public. Also, it seemed rather sad when he couldn't take any responsibility for his campaign losing during his phone conference this week with campaign staff, and blamed his loss squarely on Obama. That proved to more people that he's very narcissistic. Jon Huntsman would have made a much better example to the nation of a presidential candidate who happens to be LDS. Huntsman perhaps is too moderate though and too much of a stateman to make it out of the Republican primaries.

Mike in Sandy
Sandy, UT

Separation of Church and State?
Where is this magical place that subscribes to this notion?

byufan1993
Provo, , UT

bobdc6

Okay then that's fine if you say all organized religion should. I agree with that statement. I think the problem is that you are posting an article about the LDS Church and thereby implying that you feel the LDS Church is too involved in politics. And yet the LDS Church is completely neutral besides asking its members to vote for whichever candidate they feel is the best. There has never been, nor will there ever be, an endorsement from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for a particular candidate.

Counter Intelligence
Salt Lake City, UT

@pragmatistferlife

"Talk to the 51% who didn't vote for Romney who thought he was dishonest, elitist, and had no moral center except to obey the teachings of his religion. Chances are that reputation didn't do Mormons any good at all"

%49 did not vote for Obama; many of those also find Obama to be condescending, hypocritical, patronizing, dishonest, manipulative, passive/aggressive, amateur, class/race/gender warfare sponsoring, incompetent and just plain mean. But they don't transfer those feelings to the entire black community like you suggest Obama voters do to the Mormon community (which I am not a part of). SO apparently Romney voters are more tolerant than Obama voters.

byufan1993
Provo, , UT

Counter Intelligence

I like you.... You ever do debate? :P

Mormoncowboy
Provo, Ut

What is strange about all of this talk is the complete absence of any discussion on Mormon theology. In other words, sure Mormon's are on the map now in a way that is different than any time before. But...are people in the mainstream embracing The Book of Mormon, The Doctrine & Covenants, The Pearl of Great Price, the First Vision, the Apostasy and Restoration, the Priesthood, Modern Prophets & Apostles, literal Prophetic revelation, The Three Degrees of Glory, Celestial Marriage, etc, etc, etc, the same way they are mainstreaming the people and culture of Mormonism generically?

Of course not!

Can Mormonism capitalize on this new acceptance without also addressing it's theological fundamentals?

Me thinks not!

very concerned
Sandy, UT

@IMAN

*Is the LDS church main concern "winning"? Is faith a game to the LDS church?*

Respectfully, I say no to both questions. What The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints wants to *win* is conversion of people to the gospel of Jesus Christ, the only thing that will truly save us and bring us lasting happiness. I imagine there are some, as in any religion, who focus too much on material things.

But the church itself uses its money to help its members (and others) and teaches us to do the same. It also teaches self-reliance, staying out of debt, paying tithing (a great blessing to those who do), being prepared for the unexpected, etc. THESE are some of the things the church teaches about material issues.

And no, faith is definitely not a game to the church. It may be so with some individual members, but they - along with everyone else - will eventually have experiences that will try and test their faith to its limits. Faith in Jesus Christ is a central doctrine of the church. It is the essence of the gospel and dedicated discipleship.

Mike in Sandy
Sandy, UT

I would want no association with the likes of Romney.
He lost because the majority didn't believe him....for some reason.

Jared
Average, SE

There was a prophecy about a stone rolling forth to fill the earth - that stone is rolling forth. (Note: filling the earth isn't as much about numbers as it is about presence and influence). No unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing.

pragmatistferlife's comment is interesting given the choice of screen name. Romney is the paragon of pragmatism (he's a true centrist candidate; yes, right of center but still centrist. Centrist candidates are always blasted by people with more ideological beliefs). The fact that "51%...didn't vote for Romney [because they] thought he was dishonest, elitist, and had no moral center except to obey the teachings of his religion" goes to show that Pres. Obama's campaign against Romney was successful - it successfully painted him as dishonest (he's not), elitist (he's not), and has no moral center (that's not true - faith, family, service, doing good are all part of his moral core).

If Romney had won, it would have helped the LDS Church; because he lost, it helped the Church. What helps the Church is not always apparent in the short-term. The Church is about eternal progression and works on eternal timelines.

Hubble65
Sandy, UT

I don't think that Mitt Romney is a model or a light that the LDS people want illuminating to the world. Actually the name that they should be illuminating is the middle of the Church's logo, Jesus Christ. Romney is flawed, like all of us and it is easy to see the flaws especially in others. What LDS members of the Church need to do is to focus on living a Christ centered life and let that light, that example speak of itself. Besides doing ward callings get out and volunteer in the community at a homeless shelter or at another program or institute that could use you. Volunteer to help kids read at a school. Bottom line, the LDS people do a wonderful job at service and that and Christ should be the light that they hold up, not a man. It is unfair to Romney and unfair to the Church to hold a mere mortal man as an example. Too bad we can't get someone flawed, who has overcome real problems to run. They'd be like the rest of us are in reality.

Tiger5
Cache county, USA

Let it fly!
I think I have come to another decision as well.
I think I will leave these comment areas for good. There seems to be a certain attitude building in these things, that really is unhealthy.
Extreme views on both sides of the isle.
Good luck all!

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@ SS
"And why would Romney's comments show that the LDS Church is more focused on profit, money, and white males?"

Many people that aren't familiar with the LDS church would associate their views of Romney (that he's out of touch and only cares about rich people) and ascribe that view to the LDS church. Don't forget, people don't like the idea of tithing being required for temple access and many have issues with an all-male priesthood.

This'd be like how Prop 8 increased church standing to conservatives and evangelicals, but rapidly dropped it among liberals and the increasing percentage of people who support same-sex marriage. I had plenty of friends out east who were neutral to the church before Prop 8 but held strongly negative views of it afterwards (which was a bit awkward since I was LDS at the time though of course I opposed Prop 8 so I faced no backlash from people outside the church, all the attacks directed at me came from members).

"Was JFK the face of Catholics?"

There are many more Catholics than there are LDS members. Out east the most prominent LDS members are Romney and Glenn Beck.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@germanygator
"I am very pleased that there was so much support across the Southern "Bible Belt" for Romney. We didn't really see that in 2008 when Huckabee and Romney were running against each other. "

You're comparing a primary to the general though. Do they really like Romney or just begrudgingly voted for him because the other main choice was Obama? Romney had a three-way slugfest in Alabama and Misssissippi with two Huckabees (Santorum and Gingrich).

@CounterIntelligence
"But they don't transfer those feelings to the entire black community"

I disagree. There are a lot of conservatives who take statements like Romney's about Obama giving "gifts" (says the guy who offered a 20% across the board tax cut) and his statements about the 47% not wanting to take personal responsibility, and Gingrich and Santorum's statements about welfare and ascribe that to the black community. Thinking they just want handouts and are lazy. Consider how they view Katrina victims.

TMR
Los Angeles, CA

I am a LDS member, a registered Democrat, and an Obama supporter. Romney's campaign provided the opportunity for me in countless conversations with friends and associates to explain the principles of my religion and to dispel the notion that the orientation of LDS people to the Republican party is an extension of their religious tenants. I think it has more to do with a history of insularity and geography. In my travels around the world, I have found LDS who live in concentrated urban areas to be more liberal in their political orientation. I suspect over time, as this segment of the church grows, that church members will be more diverse in their political affiliations. Reverting back to the topic at hand, however, kudos for Romney and for other LDS members who enter the public arena, no matter one's politics.

Diet-Mormon
Cache county, USA

I agree Tiger 5
Life's to busy for these forums.
See ya

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Jared
"it successfully painted him as dishonest (he's not)"

Romney said timetables are wrong to give to the enemy. At the foreign policy debate he proposed a 2014 withdrawal, agreeing with the president on the timetable.

Romney told Huckabee he'd support the personhood amendment and would support a ban on all abortions no exceptions. He later reverted to the standard three exceptions position.

Romney said his tax plan (20% cuts across the board) would be paid for by closing loopholes in such a way that the middle class wouldn't see a tax hike, nor the rich would see a cut. That's mathematically impossible.

"elitist (he's not)"

Nah, just thinks that 47% of people don't want to take personal responsibility for their lives because they don't happen to be in a position where they are paying income taxes and reiterated it by suggesting Obama won because he was handing gifts out (and a 20% across the board tax cut isn't a gift?).

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

Not so fast. Remember who the president is - Barack Obama the socialist. Now in most socialist countries around the world freedom of religion is frowned upon and in all communist countries it is banned. Let's project a few years down the road in the direction America is headed now - the socialist road. I can see a day where our freedom of religion is gone in this country - in the name of fairness of course and not to offend anyone - and things like tax exemption status and banning homosexual marriage and abortion etc... for the LDS church will be gone. This is just a tid bit for those who care to look ahead a bit. Oh yes I know - America will never abandon freedom of religion or the right to bare arms and America would never ever elect a socialist president either. Darn conservative extremists anyway - always looking to scare folks.

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

@ Patriot:
You wrote: " Darn conservative extremists anyway - always looking to scare folks"
For the first time we are in agreement :)

We say that Obama won with a 51% of the vote. Chances are that with the state of the economy, a more credible Republican candidate could have won by a wide margin.

People trusted President Obama, the majority of the people support the end of Don't ask don't tell, droping the Defense of Marriage Act, of course, the Health Care Plan, a higher tax for those who extract higher benefits from society, increase revenue to reduce the deficit, and in general President Obama is perceived as a decent and caring human being.

Yes, I do agree with the headline, I do believe the LDS Church was one of the winners in this election. But, I believe the nation as a whole came out ahead.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

Ok follow me now Counter..I said..his reputation didn't do the Mormons any good. No where did I say, or insinuate, that because someone considered Romney dishonest that meant they considered all mormons dishonest. It simply means it doesn't do the mormon church any good (the point the article was trying to make) when a member of such high profile is seen as not posessing or portraying the principles the church professes. I would also ask you to provide specific evidence that Romney voters don't transfer their negative feelings about Obma to the entire Black community. I would suggest..as long as your suggesting..that the Romney voters do in fact transfer their negative impressions of Obama to the entire Democratic community.

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