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Published: Thursday, Nov. 15 2012 12:00 a.m. MST

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RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "pragmatistferlife" please go back and read my post. The question is for the liberals to decide. Is Obama incompetent or did he do it on purpose. Either way, should a person like that be supported and be the President?

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Democrats have never had to wipe off the chalk dust from the classroom. [Teachers and Academia tend to be Liberal – aka, mostly Democrat]

They've removed themselves so far from reality that they actually admire Obama and his policies.
[as opposed to close to reality Republican policies such as;
Conspiracy Theories, Birthers, GlobalWarming denialism, tobacco doesn’t cause cancer, the earth is only 6,000 years old, and God intended legitimate rapes…]

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Face it -
Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck and all the other ultra-far-right-wingers lost this election for the Republicans.

Take some personal responsibility for it.

For the life of me --
I can't tell which is worse --
Your saying Obama blamed everything on Bush --
or
your hypocracy blaming everyone and eveything else but yourselves for your own loss.

L White
Springville, UT

Don't we have an interesting turn of events. Mr. Obama lost 9,000,000 voters but some of his followers here think that he has a mandate and that he should have the right to boss the House around. Why doesn't he start with the Democrats in the Senate? Why doesn't he boss them into voting for his budget? They kicked him out, empty handed those two times that he thought that he could boss them around. They'll kick him out again. So, like most bullies, he decided to pick another target instead of realizing that HE is the problem. He's throwing his weight around, but it's not working. The House has already seen that he is unable to do anything except fume and threaten. They're not stupid. They won't let him pin his failings on them.

Nothing has changed. Obama has no plan. He still knows nothing about business. He still knows nothing about the economy. He still thinks that yelling and calling names will get the job done.

He's got a lot to learn and very little time to learn it.

KJB1
Eugene, OR

L. White:

Even in this year's election, more people have voted for Obama than ever voted for Bush. If Bush was able to boast about his "political capital" after he was re-elected, then why cant' President Obama do the same?

As I recall, Obama isn't the one sending a sham bill called President Obama's Budget to the Senate just so Democrats can vote it down. He's not the one shouting, "You lie!" on the floor of Congress. He's not the one claiming that Republicans faked their birth certificates. That would be your side.

You have a choice: You can either try to learn from last week's defeat or you can keep throwing tantrums and go on losing elections. Your choice...

VST
Bountiful, UT

@KJB1 said, "Even in this year's election, more people have voted for Obama than ever voted for Bush."

You are correct, but not by much.

2004 (George Bush) – 62,040,610
2012 (Barack Obama) – 62,604,610

That is less than 1% difference. Be careful about using that difference for "bragging" rights.

Meanwhile back at the ranch, everyone is still slinging around their mud and spouting off their meaningless (non-productive) accusations.

Guess what? We are still headed full steam towards a fiscal cliff and nothing is changing.

Feel better now, everybody?

L White
Springville, UT

Mr. KJB1,

Are you one of the few who thinks that the House is just an extension of the White House? Are you one of the very few who have decided that the President is a legislator? Tell us again how many votes the President got for HIS budget in the Senate. Tell us why the Senate turned him down without a single vote. Was it because they couldn't not stand the man or was it because his budget would bankrupt the country?

As far as being called a liar, isn't that exactly what the State Department, the military, the CIA and foreign government leaders are telling us about Bengazi? As far as that goes, who's lying about the head of the CIA, the President, who claimed that he had heard nothing or Eric Holder, his attorney general, who knew about the affair in early summer?

Surely you can see that Mr. Obama and truth are not often seen in the same sentence.

Just who was it who spent $6 TRILLION more than he took in? He can't blame that on the Republicans.

Mad Hatter
Provo, UT

Romney has been defeated. He's on a "blame the minorities" tour to shift responsibility away from himself and his campaign as a dodge to divert criticism by the social conservatives who wanted a "genuinely, severely conservative" candidate rather than the one they settled on.

Many Republican govenors and congressional legislators want him to go away, vamoose, and disappear. George W. Bush is still persona non grata within the Republican Party. Now Mitt Romney will join him in obscurity.

We'll just have to see how the blood flows with the Republican base and their reactionary enablers wanting to get even more ideologically partisan and others in the leadership lobbying to adapt to the new electorate and avoid irrelevancy.

Those here writing in defense of the Republican message continue to repeat old, tired talking points and have no worthwhile suggestions going forward. They continue to be angry about losing and would probably like to exclude anyone who voted for Obama from future elections. Many of their simplistic excuses for failing in this election exemplify the alternate universe they inhabit.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "LDS Liberal" if the political commentators lost the election for Romney, explain why only 2% less people voted for Romney than McCain, yet Obama had 8% less people vote for him this time.

What that means is that fewer people came out to support Obama this time than 4 years ago.

Conservatives were able to do a better job keeping their base excited and voting. Meanwhile, Obama kept riding his rockstar image, changing his story to reflect what the audience wanted to hear. For example, on energy, he has cut off more oil producing areas than he has opened up, yet he claims to be pro-oil. Obama's lies and hypocrisy were so outrageous combined with complacancy from the media that you essentially had Benghazi in the political arena. You had 2 seals fighting off the Obama army. What would you expect to happen when there are only a few voices telling the truth in a crowd with a socialist adgenda.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

Red Shirt, again it was done on purpose by both the President and the Congress as a tatic to force a compromise in the future..should someone be elected President who uses such a tatic..apparently so, he was..and guess what the tactic seems to be working. Both sides are now talking about posssibilities, wasn't happening before. Oh by the way it looks like the tactic could qualify Obama as a uniter..go figure.

wrz
Ogden, UT

@JoeBlow:

"Even Bill Kristol (hyper conservative) said this week - 'You know what? It won’t kill the country if Republicans raise taxes a little bit on millionaires. It really won’t, I don’t think."

Republican should allow the Obama tax increase on millionaires so that, when unemployment climbs and the economy tanks again as a result, Republicans will have something to point the finger at for the mid-term elections.

Also, Republicans must insist that any tax increase must be applied to the obscene national debt... but Democrats will find a way to use it to grow the government instead.

wrz
Ogden, UT

@Mike Richards:

"All budget bills originate in the House. (Article I, Section 7)..."

Not anymore. It was that way back in the day when the Congress paid heed to the processes outlined in the Constitution. Any bills can originate in either house... differences to be worked out in a joint House/Senate committee.

Actually the way it works these days is... the president starts the budget process... sometime in the Jan/Feb/Mar time frame, he asks his agencies to identify and compile funding needs for the coming fiscal year which begins 1 Oct. The Office of Management and Budget (OMB) collects the data, hands it to the president for review which is then forwarded to the Congress for legislative action. Both the House and the Senate get copies and either agree to the package or make changes. If there is disparities the packages from the House and the Senate go to a joint committee to resolve differences.

The problem is, the president has reportedly not sent a budget (request) package to the Congress for several years.

mark
Salt Lake City, UT

"Tell us again how many votes the President got for HIS budget in the Senate. Tell us why the Senate turned him down without a single vote. "

White, you really don't know the story with that "budget" vote. No, of course you don't. A good beginning might be to learn something about the budget process. But let me just tell you, there never was a vote in the Senate on President Obama's budget.

Why do you guys insist on being so consistantly uninformed? I think at a point you guys would be embarrassed.

Grundle
West Jordan, UT

Maybe we could define what being a leader means?

It seems to some posters that being a leader means being the one selected.

I believe that a leader is someone who brings together competing interests and steers a positive outcome.

When President Obama chooses to lead rather than dictate, I will be first in line to praise him.

We have seen four years of his leadership and I would not characterize him as a leader.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "pragmatistferlife" so lets be clear about what you believe.

You believe that Obama intentionally set this nation up on a fiscal cliff that has the potential of driving us into another recession, which will be worse than the results of the 2008-2009 recession.

You also believe that eventhough what he did was wrong, you believe that the ends justify the means. You believe that this will lead to increased talks, and not what we are already seeing, which is more posturing and 2 sides that are even less willing to compromise.

You believe that since Obama was re-elected that is all the justification needed for a president to play games with the US economy.

wrz
Ogden, UT

@JoeBlow:

"We have no budget because the GOP house passed a partisan budget and the DEM controlled senate rejected it."

Are you saying the House should get approval from the Senate before it lifts a finger? That's not the way it's supposed to work.

@Mike Richards:

"Obama cannot legislate..."

Obama has found a very useful tool to 'legislate.' 'Executive Orders.' Take the illegal immigrant amnesty issue. Contrary to immigration law enacted by Congress, Obama granted amnesty to illegals under age 30... with a tacit promise to extend it indefinitely once he is elected president.

Actually, he didn't use an Executive Order. He just sent a memo to Homeland Security. This guy should be impeached for violating a federal law.

@Mad Hatter:

"Maybe it's time that Democrats get both a majority in the House and a super-majority in the Senate."

Democrats had exactly that situation two years ago. And what did it get us? The very unpopular Obamacare. We don't need anymore of that.

@J Thompson:

"Nothing has changed. Obama still can't find the truth, no matter how hard he looks for it."

Obama's objective was to get reelected... not to tell the truth.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

Red Shirt..Congress, and the President have openly admitted, on Fox, on MSNBC, on ABC and every other news outlet that they set up the Sequester as it's formally called to be so onerous that they would have to comprimise to avoid the consequences. So yes I and everyone is in the country who listens believes that this was done intentionally. Secondly, it's not a fiscal "it's more like a fiscal curve. If taxes go up on Jan 1 they aren't due for twelve months giving more time for a fix. Pentagon cuts are on future contracts, again down the road. Thirdly no credible person thinks that this would cause a recession worse than '08. It's not a structural recession. Lastly..yes I think that what we are seeing is more than simple posturing. As an example both sides are now talking about the "need" for more revenues. Very different.

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